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bvisa

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i was just reading through a bunch of forums and you guys are pretty brutal...but honest so i like that!

Ive always been a believer of being all natural and not taking any supplements or injections but after 3 knee surgeries and 2 shoulder surgeries ive started to think otherwise. i just had my most recent shoulder surgery a month ago and my boyfriend suggested that I use hgh injections to help with my recovery once im back in the gym again. He said it worked wonders for him after he had bicep surgery. His source isnt selling any more so ive tried to look else where. Ive been doing a lot of research about it and definitely want to start using it but cant seem to find a reliable source. all the ones ive found from china seem pretty sketchy and im not sure if i want to risk forking over some money so i thought id ask here to see if any of you could help me out!
 
Depends how much $$ you'll like to spend.

You can find pharma grade HGH, but many of the are counterfeit. if you'll find an original one, it'll cost you a lot of money. not sure if it's worth to you this investment.

On the other hand, you can find some reputable HGH from china, like we carry kigtropin. there are many brands in the web.
 
i was just reading through a bunch of forums and you guys are pretty brutal...but honest so i like that!

Ive always been a believer of being all natural and not taking any supplements or injections but after 3 knee surgeries and 2 shoulder surgeries ive started to think otherwise. i just had my most recent shoulder surgery a month ago and my boyfriend suggested that I use hgh injections to help with my recovery once im back in the gym again. He said it worked wonders for him after he had bicep surgery. His source isnt selling any more so ive tried to look else where. Ive been doing a lot of research about it and definitely want to start using it but cant seem to find a reliable source. all the ones ive found from china seem pretty sketchy and im not sure if i want to risk forking over some money so i thought id ask here to see if any of you could help me out!

It definitely worked for me.
 
Use pharmaceutical grade only (readily identifiable by the bar code, package insert, supplied multidose syringe and/or correctly color capped vial, lot number and expiration date to name a few) since NO ONE is licensed in any country, that I"m aware, to make a generic rGH. I don't believe this will change anytime in the near future since recombinant technology patents run at least TEN years!
In this instance you definitely GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
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Thanks! Any ideas of where or who i should get it from. If im gonna spend a good amount of money i want to make sure its not fake
 
Tell you this, I wouldn't recommend a source from China. While there are legtimate companies there many faked exist because the system of checks and balances is relatively permissive. Oh and don't buy ANY GH product that's not in a syringe adaptable vial WITH the syringe included. Their much more difficult to counterfeit!
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You will probably have better success locating a reputable source if some demographic is posted, followed by a brief narrative "about yourself". It makes legitimate sources more comfortable once this is done IME.
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Depends how much $$ you'll like to spend.

You can find pharma grade HGH, but many of the are counterfeit. if you'll find an original one, it'll cost you a lot of money. not sure if it's worth to you this investment.

On the other hand, you can find some reputable HGH from china, like we carry kigtropin. there are many brands in the web.

There is no legit kigtropin. You're a scammer if you're selling that garbage.
 
LOTS of fake HGH i rec grabbing peptide like igf1 the way things are right now..
 
PB
You are indeed well informed mate, it's another "generic rGH" or occasionally referred to as "IGF-1". There are many retailers of this product on the net and their quality far below par AT BEST! The factitious "positive reviews" are posts from ONLY those with a vested interest in product sales! The following are the only licensed rGH products as of 2-12-2012 Genotropin, Humatrope, Norditropin, Nutropin, Omnitrope, Saizen, Serostim, Trev-Tropin, Zorptive......... "KIGS" are not included. Do you want to know if "KIGS" are legit ask your insurance company if they will subsidize it's purchase, (for an approved indication such as short stature) I'll bet Vegas, none will cover kigocrap, lol! "Anabolicsource.com" you've returned from your short lived "caution rating" to being a "scam site" once again, LMAO!
Thanks MESO for allowing us to OPENLY criticize the obvious!
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Ok, I have pretty much heard enough without really setting it straight. People, why do you talk as if you "think" you know about the HGH business in China or even in other countries for that matter? Are you an employed chemist in either of these countries that make it? Just think for a second that somebody that "really" knows what the truth is can call your bullshit. Poor people on these forums! First, not to get into extreme detail about who I am but I have been inside of the chemical companies overseas... (Yes, China). Also, am involved with a Pharma Co. in Asia as you call "Underground". Yes, we can get the kits all of you talk about. But what I am about to reveal is the truth so you will see it is not for our benefit to mislead you and sell you this China GH. Take it for what its worth:
1) Most of the GH coming out of China is real. Yes, you get your HCG fakes or IGF-1 but for the most part its legit. But, the truth is there are 3 qualities floating around. Call them A, B and C. Now these 100iu kits are marketed as 3.7mg per vial if you research. So in actuality you are getting 1.2, 2.0 and 2.5mg. that is 1-2mg off the full dose or can be. Now if you ever wonder why kits vary in price, now you know!!! Even at 2.5, I would be pissed to know that you got cheated but look how cheap these things are. You are pretty much getting what you pay for. Now the Chinese are not stupid. They know most people are going to be using 1-2 other steroids with it so what is really giving you the results? So, you can check serum levels.. but check them when you are getting the 3.7 as opposed to the 2.5. Has anyone ever used 3iU of the Nutropin by Genentech. At 3iu you cannot feel your arms when you try to sleep at night. Are we catching on yet? That is why, to be honest we as a company, really do not like to sell these kits or get them for people. Certain people have ethics. Other people just make bank deposits. Now, to the scholar that is talking about Patents and stuff.. hahaha funny stuff. There are only a select few companies in China who make the stuff. But here is the facts and it goes with the powders too. Trust me, when the day shift of the plant leaves for work, people are paid off and then the second group comes in to make a huge batch of HGH or powder. Then they have other people make their boxes and labels. Oh, the lot numbers that you scratch off to check up online? come on, serious? You think that China does not have programers that can input that date using coding? It actually is more difficult to code an old Atari game from the 70's. People, don't pop off like you know everything. You really dont know jack shit. I can go on and on too. Tabs? You post a picture of a steroid tablet in the past or present and I will make that same tablet and send to you with the correct dose inside. Matter of fact if you send a picture of yourself maybe we can get a mold of that too. Can you imagine your picture on one side and the mg # on the other? My point being is, the HGH is usually under dosed. If you can get 2.5mg vials you are lucky. To test the theory ask a powder source for raw HGH powder (if he can get it). Then price it and see how many 100iu kits you can make. If its legit powder you will see that cost very high which means what? You guessed it!!! You will have to under dose to come out with the 100 kits. The amount of HGH powder for 100iu kits is 1gram but the actual weight if you weigh it is approximately 31 grams. There are fillers in there.. other amino acids and such. Go try and find this information on a google search! Dont think so. But stop pretending. After reading 2 of these posts I had to speak up. And for the girl who posted on if she should get the HGH.. Ummm I dont really think it is worth the money. There will be no proof to say that the HGH really got you well or somebody you know. Its expensive and does offer benefits. I think its a decent fat burner. Getting muscle size.. I am a firm believer that you have to take in a real 10iu per day with some insulin which I do not recommend for anyone. If somebody wants to learn more about the products that come out of China or over seas I will help the best i can. If you talk bullshit to me then I know who bullshit is cause well... I dont see you where all this stuff takes place. Our company has been successful because we dont lie to people. Hope everyone makes an educated guess. The best thing is this industry is to trust your source until he proves you wrong or doesnt fix it.
 
1st) Correct I don't know about the HCG "business" in China and never claimed to. However that isn't necessary to KNOW when a product is second rate or an outright counterfeit, (that simply requires a brain and a willingness to use it)

2nd) Your assertion the only means of understanding the Chinese HCG market is to work locally as a chemist is analogous to suggesting someone needs to be employed at a Chrysler facility to know whether the car being purchased is a Toyota.

3rd) First let's clarify, I have no reason to doubt whether the licensed Chinese producers of rGH manufacturer a genuine product but what a contradiction for you to first state: "most HCG coming out of China is real...for the most part it's legit" and then blatantly admit (in your experience) there are THREE QUALITIES, (why not ten) "each one having different amounts of GH per vial, which accounts for the price variance". Thereafter you justify the practice by commenting "you get what you pay for", doesn't that sound familiar. Not surprising the varied rGH concentrations you have mentioned does not "conform with standards" (excepting 3.7iU/mg) set forth by the WTO and agreed upon by every country whom produces and sells rHGH.

4th) Are we catching on yet, your referring to "Generic" facilities whom are violating the WTO agreements regarding rGH, I'm not surprised however, since they are selling real GH....NOT!

5th) Let's see, we both seem to acknowledge, based on WTO agreements only a select few companies are granted licensure for GH production in each country depending upon method used (plasmids, amino acid secretion-insertion, E-coli secretion, etc) and subsequent patent acquired, agreed. However at night people are "paid off" to ignore janitors (I'm sure you'll contend a bonafied chemist hangs around or the machines, probably the most technically demanding in all of chemistry, remain on "autopilot" so any moron can do it, lol!)
NOW WHY would any MULTIMILLION DOLLAR FACILITY RISK 1) LICENSE FORFEITURE 2) MARKET SATURATION 3) NEGLECTFUL DAMAGE OF MILLION DOLLAR MACHINERY 4)OR THE SALE OF THEIR STORED rGH (plasmid rGH reproduction is a very technical and a very time consuming process, your not just distilling inorganics, like most "pills" but rather organic substances which are very heat, Ph, cofactor, precursor etc dependent) Moreover FROM START TO FINISH rGH PRODUCTION IS A TWO TO THREE DAY ENDEAVOR AND THAT'S ASSUMING PRECURSORS ARE READILY AVAILABLE!
6th) Indeed lot numbers, bar coding, labels are relatively easy to reproduce and I suspect it's even more simplified in China. This is one reason, another being wonton WTO violations and permissive law enforcement, I've suggested folks NOT BUY rGH from there or ANY Asian country and only buy those products which include a syringe with an insertable vial.
7) Lastly you comment "has anyone ever used 3iU of PHARMACEUTICAL (my add on) grade Nurtopin, you cannot feel your arms when trying to sleep at night" (I assume your referring to carpal tunnel symptoms) yet are cognizant of how pathetically under dosed this GENERIC CRAP really is, by stating "getting muscle size you need to take in a real 10iU PER DAY", which is absolute garbage. Moreover GH effects, as a mass enhancer, are best realized when used in addition to AAS. And for the "girl whom posted obtaining GH "I really don't think its worth the money". You got that right especially if it's generic crapola, pharmaceutical grade is another matter IMO.
So as a common courtesy what did you enlighten us folks on Meso about really .....in your opinion as a sales representative of a generic GH (obviously then, your not being an alturist but have vested interest in the SALES of KIGOCRAP, I assume)? Hmm absolutely nothing new or informative but my synopsis is, generic rGH from China is "real" but diluted far below pharm grade so "you get what ya pay for"! Goodness why that's absolutely earth shattering, LMAO!
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REALLY? ARE YOU SERIOUS WITH THAT POST? Can anybody see right through that? Did you have fun Dr.? Everything I told you... and not for the purpose to try and sound smart was to let everyone know about the market. Also, are you serious with siting the WTO? Wait, let me guess, you think that there is no corruption in countries right? Its all done by the book. You also made reference to "from my experience". : ) I dont think you get it. Its not MY EXPERIENCE! Its what we do. < This means that I personally walk the floors and see production. On the HGH side, the raw steroid powder side and much more that you obviously don't know about. My purpose for giving you this information was not to "pretend" to sound like I am smart like with all of your jargon. You offered nothing from that elongated string of useless words. Help people with real knowledge instead of quoting world organizations and patents. Hey wait! You must be the guy who goes around telling everybody that the US went to war to fight terrorism. Or the guy who supports getting steroids off the streets to save our kids right. You basically said that China would never risk compromising their pharmaceutical business because of the WTO. This is funny stuff only because you have not been there and to see production. Once again, I hope that you feel nice and cozy writing that, but my purpose was entirely different. Also, you totally have a lot of stuff wrong about the GH at 3.7... its not iu.. that is the mg per... There were many other mistakes or references you made but i think that was you being in a huge rush to get all of your garbage out of your mouth. Think first and you dont have to make reference to "us" at Meso like you are part of a fraternity to gain their support. You are an asshole because you should be spending time to help people. And its ok that you dont have my experience in Asia. I do not know too much bout the HGH in the US so if you want to be the man and pretend about that, its ok.. I will not interject because I admit that I am not sure. This is the whole reason I gave my time to write what I did because there are people like you that talk about your experiences. You are talking to somebody who get the Kigs for you. Get it... ???? But no thanks on the kigs. If you think I am BS I will send you A B and C quality and you can take the time to test each one. Give me a tab spec and I will send you a pill in 14 days.. Then you can post it for everybody to see who is talking and who really is at the forefront of the industry. How about we do Oxandrolone at 12.5 mg just to show you how much control I have over it. So, back to the people that care and want some information to better help you before making a decision on some underground products. My whole reason for being here. But please keep asking the Dr. so you keep him feeling warm and fuzzy. I dont want to take away from his medicine!
 
YOU really should read rather than frustratingly browse my entire post, because I specifically discussed the WTO and Chinese corruption on one or two occasions. Moreover one of may best friends and colleagues is a PHD chemist at Lilly where Humatrope is manufactured and I am quite familiar with pharmaceutical grade "production" and "Kigs" are zippo in comparison. Most importantly folk's don't have to be concerned about quality and iU concentrations because it's consistent regardless of where it's purchased! Furthermore since converting to injectable vials three years ago with multiple embellishments, log and data numbers two embossed INTO in glass, counterfeit has proved quite difficult. Do understand I don't "get it" since you don't acquire the KIGS for me but for some other unfortunate sucker whom believes financial compromise is a reasonable alternative to paying full price for a pharmaceutical grade rGH product, and to suggest otherwise is utter nonsense, if for no other reason lack of GENERIC QUALITY CONTROL. Now YOU may actually be selling a descent product but unfortunately in the generic business, many of your competitors do NOT and are flooding the market with crap. Now that's not just my opinion, it's relatively commonplace in the US excluding those with vested interest in sales like yourself. However, I really do appreciate the KIG offer, yet could be deemed as beholding to yourself or your company, and that just can't happen. You better stop walking the floors and "discover" the difference between an iU and an milligram because a milligram is as fixed quantity of mass or weight yet an INTERNATIONAL UNIT (thus the name) a measurement of biologic activity which must be DETERMINED BY THE W.H.O. upon the DEVELOPMENT a NEW product, like rHGH. Now referring to me as an arse because you find it difficult to support your commentary is expected and I acknowledge how difficult it must be for you to use only one derogatory term to describe my rebuttals to your blatant bullshit. Rest assured since you have difficulty understanding high school level "elongated string of words", I'll be delighted to have my first grade child chat with you on the next go around.
I appreciate you time, JIM
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I actually liked this post. You demonstrated competence. But remember, you are talking to somebody who owns the business and yes we have our own chemists. You are definitely knowledgeable but there is a lot of confidence on this side when i can acquire and produce any chemical or finished product all of you discuss and wonder if it is real or not. Can you see, how attitude and ego does not sit well with me? Its like i just jumped out of swimming in a bath of 1 million oxanadrolone tabs and you are telling me what I know and what I dont know. I pay chemists to do their jobs. So tell Donald Trump that he knows nothing about how his casinos are built from the ground up. I guarantee Trump cannot put together scaffolding for his construction sites but he can tell you to take out his trash. Do you feel me? I dont want to be nasty. I really would like to learn from you as well and offer you anything you would like to know. But it sounds as though you are the CEO here and telling me how things are really happening on the inside. This is where my rebuttals come from. I think you are quite knowledgeable but respect my place in the industry. After being in this industry for 20 years some people feel empowered to give something back. Thats all I am doing. If you want me to be free with speech on this site I will. If you feel better I can have you edit my posts first so you dont get too overwhelmed ok. Either way, I am doing just fine and very happy to be a part of this business. BTW, trump and I know the difference between and IU and mg. Im sure you know about the GH raw powder too. I will start a new post because we have found a way to vacuum seal the powder and have people rebottle it and control the dosing. We will discuss packing, moisture, temperature, precision scales etc. Maybe you can chime in but it is already being done and very successful. If you keep being nasty I will stop posting. You are only hurting the people on the board. All I am doing is presenting information. Take the info you can use and purge the rest. You dont have to turn everything into a debate. Knowledge is powerful for everybody. Use what you can. You dont have to agree.. Its really easy to be an asshole. Hard to be a nice person. Speaking in terms of the world. If you want to have fun with debating PM me. I am not here for an audience. I dont get off on that.
 
Let me make this clear, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS IN CHINA REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU MANUFACTUER, SELL, REPRODUCE OR HOW PROFITABLE IS HAS BEEN FOR YOU! MOREOVER I'M QUITE SURE OTHERS ON MESO UNDERSTAND MY PRINCIPLED POSITION REQARDING GENERIC GH AND YOUR LAME EFFORTS TO CONVINCE OTHERWISE HAVE PROVED FRUITLESS BECAUSE GENERIC GH UNIVERSALLY LACKS THE QUALITY CONTROL WHICH IS THE PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE STANDARD. FINALLY REST ASSURED SINCE I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR YOUR "HELP OR ASSISTANCE" KEEP YOUR "DONALD TRUMP" DEVELOPMENT IDEAS AND KIGOCRAP IN CHINA WHERE THEY RIGHTFULLY BELONG, LMAO!
Bon-voyage
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