Newbie Questions, Please Help Meso!

[Nicolaus]

Hello everyone,


I have many general questions!

1) The anabolic and androgenic ratio. Wouldn't one want to utilize steroids that are highly anabolic such as Deca, Masteron, Equipoise, and Primo? Instead of highly androgenic steroids like testosterone? Copying from another forum,

"The standard scientific measurement of the androgenic/anabolic ratio of a given steroid is a comparison of the effects of the drug on the growth of prostate tissue vs. skeletal muscle tissue.

For example, in such tests, esterless deca exhibits 80% less effect on the growth of prostate tissue (bad stuff) and 240% more effect on growth of skeletal muscle tissue (good stuff) than does esterless testosterone."

Isn't prostrate enlargement a concern if one is taking testosterone or is this a myth?

2) How much test should be used for optimal gains? I got this from another forum as well

"dosages reach 1000mg per week, muscle gains are maximized. As one increases the dose over 1000mg T per week, more aromatization (conversion to estrogen) occurs and quantitatively less T is available for muscle building. Likewise, if one adds an anti-aromatase such as Arimidex to the mix, less estrogen is produced but more dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is produced. DHT production (which can result in acne, hair loss, and prostate enlargement) has very little direct anabolic properties..."

3) Is there a golden rule to how long a cycle should be? I know this depends on a various number of factors and maybe goals. Specifically, a test only cycle.

4) Issues with cruising long term. Fertility?

5) How do you guys get better sleep at night? I've been experiencing mild insomnia for a while now (can't fall asleep and wake up frequently)

6) Is using both long ester and short ester testosterone for a cycle a good idea? Why or why not? I'm assuming switching over to a short ester towards end of a cycle makes more sense?

7) Should one use hcg while on cycle (for the purpose of preserving fertility and maybe restoring the hpta more easily)?
Wouldn't this be counterproductive...or shall I say nor do anything at all since steroids shuts you down anyway?

Also, is it a general consensus that hcg desensitization is a myth? Or shall I say lh suppression even after cessation of hcg


Thank you!!!

 

[Riz]

*DISCLAIMER: I am not a medical professional nor do I have any experience with AAS or HCG. Do NOT take my advice as credible or reliable.*

Let's see if I can nail this:

1.) Don't worry about all those compounds when you're a newbie. Test alone will give you great results. Myth, Test does not create prostate problems. High estrogen does. That's why it's imperative to control estrogen when on cycle.

2) if you're a beginner 350mg - 500mg will give you results. 1000mg of test for a newbie is a waste.

3) Cycle lengths vary anywhere from 10-20 weeks. For a first cycle 12 weeks of test is usually recommended.

4) Cruising on test for extended periods of time can cause fertility issues. Hence, people incorporate HCG into their cycles or shortly after to preserve and/or jump start fertility.

5) Try melatonin and stay away from bright lights before bed. If all else fails try jerking off, after climaxing you should be good to fall asleep.

6) For a first cycle just keep it simple with one ester. Preferably a long ester such as Cyp or Enth. However, switching over to a short ester the last four weeks of your cycle will allow you to start PCT faster which can be beneficial.

7) Two schools of thought on this. Some swear by using low doses throughout your cycle and some swear by blasting high doses after your last pin right before PCT. Read up on it and decide which philosophy makes more sense to you.

8) Extended use of HCG at high doses can do a lot more harm than just desensitize receptors. Do not abuse it.

I'm hoping to think what I know is somewhat correct. Vets feel free to pick apart my answers.

 

[truthwalker]

^^^Good answer. For sleep, try smoking weed. melatonin is ok. weed is better. Also, I shoot for 600mg testosterone on a cycle. You get 70mg of active test per 100mg of test e due to the ester weight, so 600mg test c is actually ~420mg test. And that's a good number.

 

[Nicolaus]

*DISCLAIMER: I am not a medical professional nor do I have any experience with AAS or HCG. Do NOT take my advice as credible or reliable.*

Let's see if I can nail this:

1.) Don't worry about all those compounds when you're a newbie. Test alone will give you great results. Myth, Test does not create prostate problems. High estrogen does. That's why it's imperative to control estrogen when on cycle.

2) if you're a beginner 350mg - 500mg will give you results. 1000mg of test for a newbie is a waste.

3) Cycle lengths vary anywhere from 10-20 weeks. For a first cycle 12 weeks of test is usually recommended.

4) Cruising on test for extended periods of time can cause fertility issues. Hence, people incorporate HCG into their cycles or shortly after to preserve and/or jump start fertility.

5) Try melatonin and stay away from bright lights before bed. If all else fails try jerking off, after climaxing you should be good to fall asleep.

6) For a first cycle just keep it simple with one ester. Preferably a long ester such as Cyp or Enth. However, switching over to a short ester the last four weeks of your cycle will allow you to start PCT faster which can be beneficial.

7) Two schools of thought on this. Some swear by using low doses throughout your cycle and some swear by blasting high doses after your last pin right before PCT. Read up on it and decide which philosophy makes more sense to you.

8) Extended use of HCG at high doses can do a lot more harm than just desensitize receptors. Do not abuse it.

I'm hoping to think what I know is somewhat correct. Vets feel free to pick apart my answers.

I really do appreciate your thorough response and effort in addressing every question.

1) In response, why is a first cycle typically 12 weeks? are there any physiological reasons for this? Does cycling a bit longer cause any issues?

2) I've come across a thread by dr scally and mands, and master.on (I probably misinterpreted them and did not fully comprehend what they were discussing) but they said something along the lines of desensitization does not occur and if it does, it's not permanent. I'll try to find the thread. Sorry if I'm wrong and provided the wrong information.

3) the reason I'm concerned with hcg is because I am experimenting with long term monotherapy with hcg and using nolvadex on top of that (just read a bunch of hepatic-carcinogenic effects and permanent DNA damage on tamoxifen .... fml)

I'm hoping I could somewhat recover from doing this. I believe I am experiencing secondary hypogonadism (super low lh and fsh levels, almost non existent) and low test (I'm 25 years old). Been experiencing this for a good 3-5 years (no morning wood and ED). I've read a study on ncbi/pubmed where patients were administered large amounts of hcg and they were tested a while after cessation of hcg and their test was still higher than before hcg use.

 

[Nicolaus]

^^^Good answer. For sleep, try smoking weed. melatonin is ok. weed is better. Also, I shoot for 600mg testosterone on a cycle. You get 70mg of active test per 100mg of test e due to the ester weight, so 600mg test c is actually ~420mg test. And that's a good number.

I've actually been smoking weed just to help me sleep LOL. Got them greens about a week ago too.

 

[Nicolaus]

Here is the thread.

HCG and desensitization..

 

[Nicolaus]

I've actually been smoking weed just to help me sleep LOL. Got them greens about a week ago too.

Actually I've been taking melatonin with weed, and some beer. Can't sleep for shit...I wonder if there is something stronger than weed lol. I wake up at 5am everyday too for work

 

[truthwalker]

Actually I've been taking melatonin with weed, and some beer. Can't sleep for shit...I wonder if there is something stronger than weed lol. I wake up at 5am everyday too for work

The alcohol is likely affecting your sleep cycle a bit. There is plenty of stuff stronger - I take a an opiate or Xanax occasionally. both knock me out, but there's also inherent risks involved with either one.

 

[Nicolaus]

The alcohol is likely affecting your sleep cycle a bit. There is plenty of stuff stronger - I take a an opiate or Xanax occasionally. both knock me out, but there's also inherent risks involved with either one.

Thank so for the response brother

I only take sips whenever my gf drinks them haha. I'm not much of a drinker. However the weed and melatonin has been helping alittle bit (indica dominant of course)
I'll look into the xanax. Don't think opiates is an option for me LOL

 

[Riz]

I really do appreciate your thorough response and effort in addressing every question.

1) In response, why is a first cycle typically 12 weeks? are there any physiological reasons for this? Does cycling a bit longer cause any issues?

2) I've come across a thread by dr scally and mands, and master.on (I probably misinterpreted them and did not fully comprehend what they were discussing) but they said something along the lines of desensitization does not occur and if it does, it's not permanent. I'll try to find the thread. Sorry if I'm wrong and provided the wrong information.

3) the reason I'm concerned with hcg is because I am experimenting with long term monotherapy with hcg and using nolvadex on top of that (just read a bunch of hepatic-carcinogenic effects and permanent DNA damage on tamoxifen .... fml)

I'm hoping I could somewhat recover from doing this. I believe I am experiencing secondary hypogonadism (super low lh and fsh levels, almost non existent) and low test (I'm 25 years old). Been experiencing this for a good 3-5 years (no morning wood and ED). I've read a study on ncbi/pubmed where patients were administered large amounts of hcg and they were tested a while after cessation of hcg and their test was still higher than before hcg use.

1). I don't know why 12 weeks is often recommended. There has been studies conducted on "healthy" males who ran testosterone for 600 mg for 20 weeks with virtually no issues. 12 weeks is a safe place to start and it's easy to recover from.

2). Not that I'm going against the Doc, but regardless of whether desensitization occurs or not why use more HCG than needed?

3). This sounds like a question best left for a professional. @Dr JIM

 

[ddp7]

Im in.Very interesting thread

 

[Nicolaus]

1). I don't know why 12 weeks is often recommended. There has been studies conducted on "healthy" males who ran testosterone for 600 mg for 20 weeks with virtually no issues. 12 weeks is a safe place to start and it's easy to recover from.

2). Not that I'm going against the Doc, but regardless of whether desensitization occurs or not why use more HCG than needed?

3). This sounds like a question best left for a professional. @Dr JIM

Forsure brotha. I'll keep that in mind. Seems like 12 weeks is the way to go

I know dr Jim will shit on me for using hcg as self treatment in hopes of feeling better lol. Can dr scally chime in as well?