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OK, so to simplify:

Weeks 1-2; 500 mgs Test c and 500 mgs Deca D

Weeks 3-4; 600 mgs Test c/sustenon and 500 mgs of Deca

Weeks 5-10; 550 mgs sus, 350 Mast e, weekly total of 240 mgs of Var

Weeks 11-13; Drop Var and Mast, reduce Test to 200 mgs a week

Weeks 14-15 200 mgs of test per week

I will then run 2.5 K Ius' of HCG e2d for a month. I have all serms, AIs' and a script for my HCG.

I used to run HCG for 3 weeks starting 5 days after last shot (100 mgs') of test c/e. giving me 26 days to clear esters. I would then run Clomid 100 mgs a day and nolva 40 mgs a day for 7 days. then reduce Nolva to 20 mgs, then Clomid to 50, getting down to just 10 mgs of nolva by 4th week.

I used to restart no problem w/ the above protocol, but it seems that my HPTA refuses to restart, so I will just run HCG for 4 weeks, then go back to trt.

Pericles this cycle does not make any sense to me. Why add Sustanon with a longer ester involved in week 5? Adding 100mg of sustanon in week 3 and 4 doesn't even make sense to me. Why not run either Test E all the way through and then drop to your TRT dose or just run your Sustanon all the way until you drop down. You are dropping your Test E before you even have your levels up from it? And you are dropping Deca completely before you even get your levels up on that as well. Just doesn't make any sense at all. Call me crazy I guess.

If you want to run this cycle to maximize success, which I would advise not running it at all. I would definitely incorporate front loading for each compound when adding it. If not you are wasting your cycle in my opinion.

mands
 
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Answers in bold...by the way, I expected moire than just Mands to jump on me for this cycle....you guys are getting boring[:o)]

Pericles this cycle does not make any sense to me. Why add Sustanon with a longer ester involved in week 5? I may add it sooner, just don't have it in my hands just yet. On the other hand, I do already have the T e. Simple explanation of availability (prescription). If all things were equal, would probably use sus from the beginning Adding 100mg of sustanon in week 3 and 4 doesn't even make sense to me. Why...test is (even 4 different types) test. Your arguments assumes that all the benefts from the test c will be lost if I switch to Sus. Not al all true. Sus is my favorite, but I don't have it yet, and that is the main reason I am starting w/ t c. Why not run either Test E all the way through and then drop to your TRT dose or just run your Sustanon all the way until you drop down. You are dropping your Test E before you even have your levels up from it? How so....4 weeks of test @ 500 plus mgs will get my levels way up, in fact at my age I should limit, not increase test levels. 500mgs of test, one day after last shot of HCG is plenty, no need to frontload, IMO And you are dropping Deca completely before you even get your levels up on that as well. The Deca is purely for healing up some injuries, micro tears. 500 mgs for 4 weeks is plenty. Just doesn't make any sense at all. Call me crazy I guess. You are not crazy, you just don't understand what I am trying to do. You seem to believe if one switche compounds, then everything from the last compound is 100% lost. That is absolutely not true. S, switching from test and deca, according to your logic, means that all the gains I got from it are lost because I am now doing Test, Mast, and var. 100% not true. On my last cycle, I used test/deca/and EQ, then switched to Mast, var, and test. Switching worked incredibly well, as my body was completely transformed.

If you want to run this cycle to maximize success, which I would advise not running it at all. I would definitely incorporate front loading for each compound when adding it. If not you are wasting your cycle in my opinion. If that is the case, and it is not, then you would also say that the thousands of men on trt were wasting their time, since they did not front load. Frontloading is great, for those who have been off gear for a longer period, say 4 months, and want to get their blood levels up immediately. I am not concerned about that...in fact I would like to take more time off (if only my HPTA would respond to serms again). 500 mgs of test and deca are more than enough to get me where I want to go. Actually, the first 4 weeks are designed to get me prepped for weeks 5-10

mands
 
I will explain later that almost everything you just said contradicts what you are trying to do! In short you said you want try to take more time off. Front loading will help you do exactly that. And obviously I don't know what your goal is? Study up on half lives and you will realize your levels will not be up from the test or deca until week 4-5 without the front load. I'm not saying they won't be increased just not to their highest.

I will get on later to explain my reasoning that this cycle is utter nonsense in my book.

Get all your stuff before you start. Isn't this what we and you tell all noobies before they start. I suggest you do the same.

mands
 
The problem I have, is that, since serms no longer work on my HPTA, my off time is only a month, while I am on HCG. If I responded to Serms, I could take 10 weeks off. If I took 10 weeks off, then yes, I would frontload.

I am in excellent shape right now 220 at around 9% bf. That is the result of very hard work, and my last cycle, which was crazier than this one. To be honest, the immediate goal of my first few weeks on this cycle is to preserve what I have now, and get me a bit stronger, healed up and ready for the 5-10 week portion of Test/Mast/Var. My goal is to get down to 7% bf for the summer.

Again, I am in no hurry to get very high levels of gear into me. Look at it this way: If I were just going back on TRT, yes, it might make sense to frontload 400 mgs. But I will be doing 500 each of 2 compounds. I don't really want to take more and risk my health just to get levels up a bit earlier. If I wanted more health risks, I would just do tren, which I have.

Also, doing 1000mgs of both test and deca will give me bloat that I do not want. I am 50, and 1k mgs' a week are already pushing the health envelope. Frontloading=2kmgs....sorry, but I just don't need that much that early. I only want enough so that I can do the very taxing cardio workouts I do after an hour of very hard weight training, and recover.
 
I will explain later that almost everything you just said contradicts what you are trying to do! In short you said you want try to take more time off. Front loading will help you do exactly that. And obviously I don't know what your goal is? Study up on half lives and you will realize your levels will not be up from the test or deca until week 4-5 without the front load. I'm not saying they won't be increased just not to their highest.

I will get on later to explain my reasoning that this cycle is utter nonsense in my book.

Get all your stuff before you start. Isn't this what we and you tell all noobies before they start. I suggest you do the same.

mands

I have one bottle of Deca/test 200 each per cc. I also have a script for test. I have HCG, nolva, AIis'.....I have everything I need in terms of not getting myself in trouble. That is the advice we give to noobs, that they have all pct material before stating, and I do. Also, I won't start this cycle for a bit more than 2 weeks. By then I should have everything

You know I respect you and your opinion, but there is no scientific logic to support your argument.
 
Answers in bold...by the way, I expected moire than just Mands to jump on me for this cycle....you guys are getting boring[:o)]

Okay not sure if I'm wasting my time here... Anyways, I will run down my unscientific approach to your answers. Okay you say test is test, I agree with the only thing being the difference in esters. Which we all know effects half life, availability, etc. I'm not saying all benefits are lost. You are just switching to sustanon from Test C or E when your blood levels are almost at the highest. I just see potential for fluctuation in your test levels even though the sustanon has short and medium acting esters. You will only have 200mg of your longer ester which will take another 5 weeks to get blood levels stable and at the highest.

If you want at your age to limit your test levels then just run TRT and add other compounds when you cycle up? On the other hand you are running 200mg Test C now. I really wouldn't say adding another 300mg is putting your old ass at risk or pushing the health envelope too much.

As far as the Deca goes. 4 weeks in my opinion will do absolutely nothing for micro tears. Do you have any scientific studies on this? I have only seen studies for longer periods of time that have benefits for healing tendons, osteoporosis, etc. Deca once again will be just getting to the highest and stable levels right when you decide to drop it. I would suggest again to front-load if you are going to maximize it's effects in that short of time frame. And when you front load you will not be getting that much more in your system then when you hit week 4. So I'm really not getting your argument that 1000mg is all that different for your first week.

I also never said that by switching compounds everything will be lost. You just are not getting the benefits of the amounts you are running by switching before levels are up at max. People running TRT are running for years on end. Not 12 week cycles. You are wanting to cut down your run time. Front-loading will do exactly what you stated you wanted to do. Minimize time on cycle.

Lastly, If you are in the best shape of your life like you state. No need to prep during the first 5 weeks of your cycle, you should be ready to go now.

mands
 
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Okay not sure if I'm wasting my time here... Anyways, I will run down my unscientific approach to your answers. Okay you say test is test, I agree with the only thing being the difference in esters. Which we all know effects half life, availability, etc. I'm not saying all benefits are lost. You are just switching to sustanon from Test C or E when your blood levels are almost at the highest. I just see potential for fluctuation in your test levels even though the sustanon has short and medium acting esters. You will only have 200mg of your longer ester which will take another 5 weeks to get blood levels stable and at the highest.

If you want at your age to limit your test levels then just run TRT and add other compounds when you cycle up? This advice makes no sense at all. On one hand, you say that I need larger (gram each of test and deca on first shot). However, now, you say I should be on a much lower trt amount (200 mgs) On the other hand you are running 200mg Test C now.No, I am not. I am on an HCG blast for a month. This, it seems, is the source of your confusion. I have been off a fairly large mg cycle for about a month, followed by 2 weeks of 200 mgs of test. As discussed, I really have only been off gear for 2 weeks. I am doing another 2 weeks of my HCG blast. Normally, I would run a serm based pct, but my HPTA is no longer responsive to serms. That is why I am in no hurry to have high levels of test (or any AAS) in my system. Back when the serms worked for me (up to the age of 43) I was taking 12 weeks off after a 12 week cycle. Now I am only taking 4 weeks off. This is the critical point that you are not understanding. I do not need to frontload, what I need is more time off, and more time on replacement levels. Thus, slamming a gram of test and deca on my first shot is the last thing I need right now. I really wouldn't say adding another 300mg is putting your old ass at risk or pushing the health envelope too much. Hey, did you just insult my ass? I will have you know that yes, it has been around a while, but looks great for its age. It is now very upset about your insult. Please tell it you are sorry, or I will have to put it on Prozack

As far as the Deca goes. 4 weeks in my opinion will do absolutely nothing for micro tears. Do you have any scientific studies on this? No. It is just based on my 20 years of experience. 4 weeks of deca gets my system very limber and pain free. When I do Yoga, it is much easier to get in the poses. My use of deca is simply to get my body flexible and pain free. However, I still am careful when I train. I keep my reps high and fairly strict. For example, I don't go over 250 lbs for deadlifts, lthough my rps will go from 10 to 12. I have only seen studies for longer periods of time that have benefits for healing tendons, osteoporosis, etc. Deca once again will be just getting to the highest and stable levels right when you decide to drop it. I would suggest again to front-load if you are going to maximize it's effects in that short of time frame. And when you front load you will not be getting that much more in your system then when you hit week 4. So I'm really not getting your argument that 1000mg is all that different for your first week.

I also never said that by switching compounds everything will be lost. You just are not getting the benefits of the amounts you are running by switching before levels are up at max. People running TRT are running for years on end. Not 12 week cycles. You are wanting to cut down your run time. Front-loading will do exactly what you stated you wanted to do. Minimize time on cycle. No, it won't. The problem is that I can only take one month off at a time. Frontloading does nothing for that fact. The reality is that I am better off w/ lower doses, and no frontload....although tell you what, stop insulting my old ass (I told you....your words have it depressed[:o)]

Lastly, It is last, not lastly...I generally would not correct your grammar, but my old ass told me to do it. If you are in the best shape of your life like you state. No need to prep during the first 5 weeks of your cycle, you should be ready to go now.

mands
 
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I'm sorry to your Ass!!! I'm sure it's nice. I'm beating a dead horse here so I'm done. Just do what you think is best. Just don't post up what you are doing if you know it's already correct in your eyes. lol Have a good one. And yes I noticed "Lastly" after I read it again. Good job!

Maybe you should take off more than a couple weeks if you are that concerned. Just a thought.

mands
 
Thank you...but my ass is still crying its eyes...wait, I meant sphincter out.

I have been using dec/test to start my cycles for a long time. Back when I was competing in grappling, I would run deca/test for 3 weeks, and then switch to test EQ. The deca test was a good start, but the bloat would keep me from making the 215 lbs class.

The test/EQ would increase aerobic capacity and make it easier to make weight..
 
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