Nick Walker's Coach scoffs at "shortage" of primo / mast

[RockyP]

Very favorable genetics. Primo tanks my HDL a good 30%, but I keep my LDL very, very low so it doesn't matter much. I am going to try running primo and mast together this summer as well to skip the Tren, even though I love me some tren. I want to keep it to once per year, and I just came off.

I run primo and mast at the same time every summer 600mgs each and I have low cholesterol my doc is always baffled I am also quite baffled as my hdl seems to stay above 45 most the time.

 

[RockyP]

these top level guys have access to Increlex and other stuff that we probably don’t know exist that they gate keep im sure their connections have kilos of primo and mast stockpiled for them

They might, but I don't think that's a game changer. They all take the same shit anyway. Like literally the same cycles, almost down to the mg. Roman Fritz has always been very open about his PED courses, and he's tried Increlex and I don't think it changed his career. He's a test / primo / mast guy and he loves injectable orals, specifically injectable anadrol. But even John Jewett resorted to trying EQ due to primo / mast shortages and fakes. More and more I think these guys really have the same access as the rest of us. There are LOTS of non-competitors with great connections

 

[Ghoul]

I run primo and mast at the same time every summer 600mgs each and I have low cholesterol my doc is always baffled I am also quite baffled as my hdl seems to stay above 45 most the time.

How low is low if you don’t mind? I’m curious.

With a normal liver, we have all the hardware needed to vacuum up and break down all harmful lipids out of the blood, to near zero.

It’s because we also produce an enzyme, PCSK9, that interferes with that cholesterol clearing machinery, that genetics plays such a big role in whether we have high cholesterol or not.

Some folks have a “defect” that causes them to produce a smaller than usual amount of PCSK9, or they produce an abnormal type that doesn’t block cholesterol clearing, and the result is low LDL for a lifetime and protection from cardiovascular disease. There don’t seem to be any downsides to this genetic “defect”, just a longer life.

Maybe that’s you.

That’s where the idea for PCSK9 inhibitor drugs like Repatha came from.

 

[Jaxino]

I really love this podcast - Kyle and Andrew put out some great content. In this recent clip, Kyle laughed off a listener question re: mast / primo shortages, saying he / his athletes have no issues getting what they need. I always did think that the top athletes had the best connections, likely private sources, etc. But in this market I still wonder where the F they are getting the raws from. There's plenty of mast P out there, though I find it hard to believe Nick Walker is using Mast P 100 / ml - he'd need a 5 cc syringe to get enough in him - especially since he apparently uses close to 1.5 grams of tren and god knows how much test.
I just can't believe there is Mast E to be had...


View: https://youtu.be/UWte1jOiRN0?si=z7372Yubzf-zV-KO

The doses which are you talking about are just pure bullshit. None uses 1,5g of Tren. Your body will be inflamed like a torch.

To get on stage you need just Test (Tren) + orals the last 4-6 weeks

The last week in any case you will be on just orals something like a 100-200 Winny ed 30 SD ed

So i don't see the need to touch Primo and Mast which are weak as fuck.

 

[urmumsurdad30]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrJNuZE_EAE&t=179s


Not relevant to the topic but this is a good watch

 

[BALLISTIC]

The doses which are you talking about are just pure bullshit. None uses 1,5g of Tren. Your body will be inflamed like a torch.

To get on stage you need just Test (Tren) + orals the last 4-6 weeks

The last week in any case you will be on just orals something like a 100-200 Winny ed 30 SD ed

So i don't see the need to touch Primo and Mast which are weak as fuck.

You missed a local here who was easily using that much stacked with others. More importantly the pros are using astronomical levels beyond reason.

Genetics play a role, yes. Training and diet, yes. Gear? Yeah, not just yeah, fuck yeah. So much gear it's stupid to the normal. There's been open reporting of 3 to 4g test... You think they didn't push the limits of other compounds?

They have access to the best doctors, meds, labs, ancillaries, food, gyms, sponsors, and sleep. Then repeat. You mention inflammation you think they aren't dealing with this in a clinical level. Shit stem cells (wartons jelly) at their disposal, anything they can fathom. High gear is a no brainer. They also don't live long these days. Nick like many others are walking heart bombs.

 

[bananafeet]

You missed a local here who was easily using that much stacked with others. More importantly the pros are using astronomical levels beyond reason.

Genetics play a role, yes. Training and diet, yes. Gear? Yeah, not just yeah, fuck yeah. So much gear it's stupid to the normal. There's been open reporting of 3 to 4g test... You think they didn't push the limits of other compounds?

They have access to the best doctors, meds, labs, ancillaries, food, gyms, sponsors, and sleep. Then repeat. You mention inflammation you think they aren't dealing with this in a clinical level. Shit stem cells (wartons jelly) at their disposal, anything they can fathom. High gear is a no brainer. They also don't live long these days. Nick like many others are walking heart bombs.

Some people just don't get side effects from gear or atleast acute side effects.

For example my mate is shedding hair left and right and my hairline is relatively unaffected.

So who knows what they are taking. But if I put myself in their shoes I'd play it down too, especially if I knew the average person couldn't handle it.

You know there is a rare genetic mutation where some people who drink alcohol can continue because it increases their dopamine levels?

I'd say that people who do it professionally have the best of both worlds where they respond to a small amount of gear and look great, but also tolerate a ridiculous amount of gear where they start to look mutated.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lee Priest put on 20lbs of muscle just from a short cycle of deca. But he probably left out that he had to take a hell of a lot more to be a professional.

There is an interview with Grymkowski where he nonchalantly talked about taking 3000mg per day. I think it was mainly orals. He admitted he over did things. Keep in mind in a lot of places (like my state) gear is as illegal as street drugs and I'm sure talking about it back then was frowned upon even more than it is now.

Unfortunately people don't realise this is just as genetic as being a sprinter or marathon runner. But the difference is we all can lift weights.

 

[BALLISTIC]

Some people just don't get side effects from gear or atleast acute side effects.

For example my mate is shedding hair left and right and my hairline is relatively unaffected.

So who knows what they are taking. But if I put myself in their shoes I'd play it down too, especially if I knew the average person couldn't handle it.

You know there is a rare genetic mutation where some people who drink alcohol can continue because it increases their dopamine levels?

I'd say that people who do it professionally have the best of both worlds where they respond to a small amount of gear and look great, but also tolerate a ridiculous amount of gear where they start to look mutated.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lee Priest put on 20lbs of muscle just from a short cycle of deca. But he probably left out that he had to take a hell of a lot more to be a professional.

There is an interview with Grymkowski where he nonchalantly talked about taking 3000mg per day. I think it was mainly orals. He admitted he over did things. Keep in mind in a lot of places (like my state) gear is as illegal as street drugs and I'm sure talking about it back then was frowned upon even more than it is now.

Unfortunately people don't realise this is just as genetic as being a sprinter or marathon runner. But the difference is we all can lift weights.

Agreed, I've seen cycles here with labs posted and question how? They don't bump in either direction. So what your stating is spot on. Genetics not only to be mutated, but not suffer heath wise it's a good point. Not saying they don't, just minimal. Also on the flip is hyper responders. I personally don't aromatize much. So things like that are absolutely relevant variables.

I really do believe the guys at the top of the pro level have amenities others could only dream of health wise. Treatments, protocols, highly expensive drugs to minimize damage done. Also not ignoring the fact that modern medicine has made everything different.

 

[RockyP]

The doses which are you talking about are just pure bullshit. None uses 1,5g of Tren. Your body will be inflamed like a torch.

To get on stage you need just Test (Tren) + orals the last 4-6 weeks

The last week in any case you will be on just orals something like a 100-200 Winny ed 30 SD ed

So i don't see the need to touch Primo and Mast which are weak as fuck.

When was your last show? How did you place? Weight class?

 

[Maiandros88]

You missed a local here who was easily using that much stacked with others. More importantly the pros are using astronomical levels beyond reason.

Genetics play a role, yes. Training and diet, yes. Gear? Yeah, not just yeah, fuck yeah. So much gear it's stupid to the normal. There's been open reporting of 3 to 4g test... You think they didn't push the limits of other compounds?

They have access to the best doctors, meds, labs, ancillaries, food, gyms, sponsors, and sleep. Then repeat. You mention inflammation you think they aren't dealing with this in a clinical level. Shit stem cells (wartons jelly) at their disposal, anything they can fathom. High gear is a no brainer. They also don't live long these days. Nick like many others are walking heart bombs.

Just ask the older guys here that was or still competing at some level, when I say older I mean over 40s, how many of the 1.5grm per week Tren, 2grms per week test and 1.5grms per week eq guys that knew and also competing with them are still alive, and not have heart, liver, kidney health problems, I don’t know a single 1 that using that amounts and not have serious health problems now

 

[lilhawk]

The doses which are you talking about are just pure bullshit. None uses 1,5g of Tren. Your body will be inflamed like a torch.

To get on stage you need just Test (Tren) + orals the last 4-6 weeks

The last week in any case you will be on just orals something like a 100-200 Winny ed 30 SD ed

So i don't see the need to touch Primo and Mast which are weak as fuck.

Yes they do, and it's more common than you think. At junior nationals 12 years ago that dose of tren was not uncommon. Huge doses of GH, insulin, tren, mast, and a few other compounds were the standard back then.

 

[Maiandros88]

Yes they do, and it's more common than you think. At junior nationals 12 years ago that dose of tren was not uncommon. Huge doses of GH, insulin, tren, mast, and a few other compounds were the standard back then.

For sure they was using and much more at my juniors 25 years back crazy stories of 150mg - 200mg anadrol ed, 1.5 - 2grms test, 1grm Tren and those shots back then was all pharmacy grade here, it’s the same reason that I am not seeing any of that guys around today

 

[RockyP]

For sure they was using and much more at my juniors 25 years back crazy stories of 150mg - 200mg anadrol ed, 1.5 - 2grms test, 1grm Tren and those shots back then was all pharmacy grade here, it’s the same reason that I am not seeing any of that guys around today

If you believe Kurt havens, these dosages are still ongoing today among many pros who consult with him