No AI's on 500mg test while having high e2

[demal]

I am going to run 500mg test without using AI's (I tried up to 250 and never had high e2 sides). The negative effects of AI's are way worse than side effects of high e2. The only thing that matters to me is gyno and blood pressure.
In case of gyno I would use Tamoxifen. But I don't know if I should use something for blood pressure. Is the blood pressure really going to be that high on high e2? If it's an increase by 10 units, than it's okay.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

There’s no way to know until you try it. Everyone’s different. A touch of mast or primo is a decent solution. But yes, e2 is just a number of your side effects are zero. Keeping e2 in range just because when test is astronomical makes little sense.

 

[mochul]

tamox has more sides than an ai. which sides are you talking about?

 

[demal]

tamox has more sides than an ai. which sides are you talking about?

drastically lowering hdl, lowering bone mineral density, completely nuking my e2 even on high dosis to the point where I have 0 libido, and other sides.

 

[mochul]

How much and which ai are you taking?
Pharma grade?

 

[farbeyonddriven]

I am going to run 500mg test without using AI's (I tried up to 250 and never had high e2 sides). The negative effects of AI's are way worse than side effects of high e2. The only thing that matters to me is gyno and blood pressure.
In case of gyno I would use Tamoxifen. But I don't know if I should use something for blood pressure. Is the blood pressure really going to be that high on high e2? If it's an increase by 10 units, than it's okay.

Yeah, everyone is different. I can run 600 mg test without an AI or serm, others need an AI or serm with just 200 mg test.
I would monitor BP at least EOD and pull bloods about 4 weeks in to check your other markers and adjust as needed.

 

[jdubzzz44]

Everyone is different but the higher your body fat the more likely you are to have issues

 

[AbstractMind]

AI’s aren’t the Devil. The toxicity and other negatives everyone raves about are from low e2. AI’s aren’t toxic by nature. There are zero negative effects to be had when using an ai to keep your e2 in a good range.

And like Mike said.. treat the side effects not the number

 

[demal]

How much and which ai are you taking?
Pharma grade?

0,25 arimidex, both pharma and ugl

 

[mochul]

Best thing is to reduce test until you feel fine e2 wise and add dry compounds like mast. Try that and see how you feel. You can also just run test

 

[BigTomJ]

AIs are not bad.
Serms are far far worse in negative health implications.

You just need to learn to get bloodwork and dose a modern AI properly.

 

[Astartes]

I am going to run 500mg test without using AI's (I tried up to 250 and never had high e2 sides). The negative effects of AI's are way worse than side effects of high e2. The only thing that matters to me is gyno and blood pressure.
In case of gyno I would use Tamoxifen. But I don't know if I should use something for blood pressure. Is the blood pressure really going to be that high on high e2? If it's an increase by 10 units, than it's okay.

Candidly. I have never had to run AI. No hair shedding despite baldness on mother and father’s side with men. Up to 1500mg Test and 1500 Deca. Never any signs of gyno.

Interestingly, I have noticed that my hair has thickened on Deca over a gram. Perhaps some credence to it competing the DHT. (no change in widows peaks or MPB areas which are minimal at 47) So much so that my wife commented when she cuts it.

Everyone is different.

 

[poolshockguy]

500 test. 6mg aromasin eod. Until I get side effects then I'll take 12.5 eod. If still have sides ill drop to 450 test.

 

[JC Grifter]

drastically lowering hdl, lowering bone mineral density, completely nuking my e2 even on high dosis to the point where I have 0 libido, and other sides.

Just like with AAS every one responds to AIs differently as well. I had a hormonal imbalance in my late 20s. I was converting a ton of testosterone to estrogen for years. I was on nolvadex short term to break up the lumps in my chest but I was taking Arimidex .5mg 3x a week for a few years with zero of those side effects. You never know how you’ll respond to something

 

[lukiss96]

No symptoms = nothing to fix.

 

[Mishka]

like Mac11 said, you got to try it - nobody knows beforehand - I personally can use 2 grams of Pharma Test E without any gyno symptoms ...

And, as lukiss said, I'd not fix E2 when you don't feel any problems - just because it is high on paper does not mean you got to fix it.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

So you guys can run “high” test withou AI and without bloating and water retention?

 

[Spideog]

Bloating is the only thing I noticed. And a lot of it.

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

It’s 1000x better to prevent gyno than to treat it. I’d run Primo & Mast with that dose of test.

There’s no way to know until you try it. Everyone’s different. A touch of mast or primo is a decent solution. But yes, e2 is just a number of your side effects are zero. Keeping e2 in range just because when test is astronomical makes little sense.

I really believe gyno has more to do with heavy androgens (such as DHT) to E2 ratio. Your test could be in the 1,000s but if you’re running dustaride & something like a topical 5a prevention, you can end up flaring up.