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ChuckBytes

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I'm going to open this up by saying I think this is one of the better built sites out there. I've studied a lot of forums and the conversations I have read here are well grounded and open. Everything is nicely laid out, good clean fonts, simple screen designs without flashing ads and colors trying to sell you something.

I’m probably the most unlikely candidate to be here. It might be too late for me but I’m going to jump into this with everything I got.

I dedicated the last 20 years to sitting behind a computer monitor for 12-14 hrs a day contributing to creating some of the most awesome apps on the market. I got me plenty of brain exercise but I don’t think I need to tell anyone what sitting all day does to the body.

Over the years my body formed and melted into the shape of the furniture. I turned myself into a human marshmallow. I’m not super fat or anything, just way too soft with a belly.

About 6 weeks ago I had an epiphany, it hit me like a brick in the face, I won’t last another 10 years in this condition. So I got my fat ass out of the chair and put this body to work…hard and fast. I want to be carved like a piece of wood.

So I waddled out to the local Walmart and purchased a couple of 20 lb barbells a Mat and a Protein mix. That first week was a killer, 3 sets a day of pumping a 20lb weight on each arm 10 times. (Yeah…I know, are you done....you can stop laughing now and get back to reading). Every day I put more into it, I’m into my 4th week and I’m now doing 10 sets of 35 reps each day along with sit-ups and cardio. It's progress that's only going to get better !

I have about as much patience in waiting for results as I do reading.
I can’t wait 3 months to shed 20 lbs before I see a ripple of muscle so I took it to the next level.

I have decided to motivate myself further through the introduction of enhancements into my body. I have no idea what the F@%k I’m doing other than what I have read.

This is what I am going to start with ...

  • Do artificial enhancements really work. Do you think they work for a middle aged guy
  • I found a couple of 250mg vials of Nandrolone Decanoate and Testosterone Enanthate in a ditch by the side of the road. It looks authentic, sealed in pharmaceutical bottles with all the proper markings. They go for $100 each, I don’t know if that’s expensive or not. I read the average dosage is 250 to 500mg a week. I think that's a lot.
  • I started with 10cc of each in the Maximus Glute twice a week, no way does that equate to 250mg/ml. I would have to do 30cc increments to empty the bottle in one week.
  • The goal is to lose fat and build muscle, do you think I should lay off the protein shakes?
  • What type of intervals should I pursue with weights. I read you should let the muscle rest or recover and repair. So it may be best to exercise with weights 3 times a week instead of every day. But I can't stop, I love the burn...a day without pain is like a day without sunshine.
  • What kind of results can one expect with the chems over weeks 4, 6, 8… 16. To be honest after 2 weeks of pinning, I have not noticed any difference than what natural results had brought me. I was hoping to see a drastic difference but maybe I'm not giving it enough time. Different results for different folks I guess.
  • Lastly, I guess mistakes happen, or maybe my muscle has built a tolerance to absorbing the oil. After my 4th shot, I got the itchy lump. The miss, ... Obviously the muscle did not absorb the oil. Or maybe doing sit-ups pushed it all out. I've read so many posts where guys are freaking out calling 911 etc., I'm not going to freak out and I'm not worried but I'm wondering if it is wasted. Does the body still absorb it in an efficient manner or does it work much better when it is in the muscle.
Apologies for the long post, it won't happen again. It was just the first time intro.

(u no i'm kidding about the ditch right)
 
Welcome to MESO bro. How about some stats with your body fat%. This will help everyone to see where your currently at. Most will say that you should have done a few years Natural lifting an getting your diet in check first before you ever even think about touching gear. Aas is not a magic pill. You cant just take it with an untrained body thay has not yet met its full genetic potential naturally yet. Seeing results without having any real time put into tje gym or dieting is going to be slim to none bro. Sorry I'm sure that's not what your wanting to hear but its the bare faced non sugar coated truth. I'm sure more will be along shortly to better yet explain things.
 
  • Do artificial enhancements really work. Do you think they work for a middle aged guy
They work for people who have already progressed well without them. Without diet and training that is effective alone AAS will do nothing but harm.
  • I found a couple of 250mg vials of Nandrolone Decanoate and testosterone Enanthate in a ditch by the side of the road. It looks authentic, sealed in pharmaceutical bottles with all the proper markings. They go for $100 each, I don’t know if that’s expensive or not. I read the average dosage is 250 to 500mg a week. I think that's a lot.
You will not benefit from these drugs in your current state.
  • I started with 10cc of each in the Maximus Glute twice a week, no way does that equate to 250mg/ml. I would have to do 30cc increments to empty the bottle in one week.
Ummm the bottles are 10ml, not 1ml vials. If you are shooting 20cc of any fucking thing into your ass, stop.

STOP. STOP. STOP. NOT FUCKING WITH YOU. YOU ARE GOING TO DO SERIOUS DAMAGE AT THESE DOSES!


  • The goal is to lose fat and build muscle, do you think I should lay off the protein shakes?
Protein is fine. Lay off some of the carbs, use a TDEE calc, and run a small continuous caloric deficit while training.

  • What type of intervals should I pursue with weights. I read you should let the muscle rest or recover and repair. So it may be best to exercise with weights 3 times a week instead of every day. But I can't stop, I love the burn...a day without pain is like a day without sunshine.
Work twice a day if you want but instead of hard weight training every day, the easy thing is to alternate with other fat burning activity. Get a heavy bag and punch it on off days.

  • What kind of results can one expect with the chems over weeks 4, 6, 8… 16. To be honest after 2 weeks of pinning, I have not noticed any difference than what natural results had brought me. I was hoping to see a drastic difference but maybe I'm not giving it enough time. Different results for different folks I guess.
Nothing without unfucking your diet and training for a good long time first.
  • Lastly, I guess mistakes happen, or maybe my muscle has built a tolerance to absorbing the oil. After my 4th shot, I got the itchy lump. The miss, ... Obviously the muscle did not absorb the oil. Or maybe doing sit-ups pushed it all out. I've read so many posts where guys are freaking out calling 911 etc., I'm not going to freak out and I'm not worried but I'm wondering if it is wasted. Does the body still absorb it in an efficient manner or does it work much better when it is in the muscle.
Itchy lumps don't mean you didn't absorb oil, you developed a lump from the formed depot of hormone.
 
Took 20yrs behind a computer to get where you are today, but you can't wait 3 months to look like you even lift?

IMO stop the AAS and get to a gym! Squat, deads, press, and pull ups for 1 year with the right diet. We are what we eat/or don't eat!
 
Welcome to Meso brother.
Lots of great info here. You'll find honest guys with honest answers. Although the answers you get might not be what you want to hear, but it will be what you need to hear. Everyone at Meso is here to take care of each other and keep us all safe and healthy.
If you are willing to listen and learn you will find all the help you need right here.
BM
 
You've already gotten the advice you needed. But I just wanted to say I'm blown away at the following things and feel the need to comment:

-100 bucks a vial for test or deca

-A 30cc pin - apparently your mathematical skills learned in coding do not translate well to measuring doses

-and last but not least, thinking shooting some steroids with no real thought or preparation will magically shed all your body fat and make you jacked with new muscle.

Lesson of the day:

Eating a caloric deficit = losing fat (and unfortunately, some muscle too- the idea is to maintain as much as possible)

Eating a caloric surplus + weight lifting = building muscle (and some fat, the key is to minimize this through diet)

Choose one- you cannot have both. My advice to you is to google iifym.com/calculator to calculate your necessary calories and macros , this will be just a starting point and you will need to adjust accordingly. If I were you I would aggressively lose weight if you need to. Lifting weights will help maintain any sort of muscle mass you might have underneath all that. Once you achieve a healthy bf% you can begin to switch towards a lean bulk and let the real party begin, whether you choose to do this naturally for a while to build a solid base (recommended) or not.

While it's good your exercising , two dumbbells aren't going to be enough if you are going to take this serious (which I *assume* you want to considering you're already injecting steroids into your ass). Look up a good beginner routine such as starting strength and learn how to lift properly.

Nutrition, training, supplementation- in that order. There is no way around this no matter how many 30cc pins you make [emoji12]

That's enough rambling for me. Welcome bro, and I hope the above members posts have woken you up enough to really attack this goal of yours the right way.

Good luck, We are here to help!
 
welcome,
I had a similar history. six years ago I was 5 10 and 270. I have a similar occupation. I suggest you forgo gear for the time being. Get below at least 20 percent bf before using gear. drop coin on a 24hr gym. new muscle burns calories 24/7. in those days I had success with full body routine 3 days a week doing light cardiovascular walking or recumbent bike at least 5 days a week. Don't go too heavy on weights or too strenuous on cardiovascular or your joints wil stop you in your tracks.
Good luck
 
oh man, I'm embarrassed, .. I was shooting out numbers that don't make sense and providing BS information that you've all certainly straightened me out on. I didn't mean to set my status as an idiot right off the bat, tried to keep it lite. Let me be a little more serious and try to get myself out of this.


The math doesn't add up cuz I don't know what the hell I’m talking about or if I should even be saying anything. The bottle does say 250mg/ml on it and I thought the first 1 on the pin meant 10cc, obviously that's incorrect... I'll look into it a bit more and learn how to read the numbers accurately.


As for doing it before putting in more natural work to change, I understand and that's why I joined the site. I get it...it's not a magic elixir that will change me but i have to say that i needed the testE, the body just isn't producing it like it used to anymore. It has put a bounce back into my step. Things seem to be working again which slowed down. I'm able to exercise with more vigor and enthusiasm, I'm not going to abuse it or anything.


I am sure the lump was caused by a miss to the muscle because it was just a little higher than it should have been, so it didn't sit right. It's already subsided down to a tiny bubble now, be gone by tomorrow.


As for presenting my stats, I need to get one of those scales that measures all that stuff which I will do over the weekend. Otherwise, I have no idea how to measure BF or Mass etc. I’m a little worried about presenting them here, maybe I joined the site too early. It’s just that I’m on a high and got a little excited.


I was kidding about the 3 months, I know that's nothing !! I was playing on the fact that I can hardly wait, that's just my personality. The goal is both, lose fat and gain muscle. Obviously, this needs to be done through a good diet and in the right order. I have already started the cardio but I want to keep the weights because I like them.

From what I’ve read, I will put away the juice. It was given to me as I called in a favor and I was just told that’s what the value is. I don’t know if that’s bullshit or not at $100 a pop.

The important thing here is that I’m on my way to change and I’m glad I landed where the answers are straight. I’ll take my lumps for the stupidity, lick my wounds and move forward.

How about we chalk it up as a lesson learned for anyone else who thinks taking that approach will work.
 
Rocco the Dog said:
You're going to self medicate and alter your endrocrin system but don't know what the lines on the syringe mean? That does not seem like a good idea to me
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But He admitted and learned from his error and is putting away the test until he gets a better handle on things. Nice and refreshing to see!

ChuckBytes said:
The important thing here is that I’m on my way to change and I’m glad I landed where the answers are straight. I’ll take my lumps for the stupidity, lick my wounds and move forward.

How about we chalk it up as a lesson learned for anyone else who thinks taking that approach will work.
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Good response OP, way to stay humble and admit and learn from your errors. That's what this site is for, to learn and support.

You say you don't think your body is producing enough testosterone naturally. At your age you may want to look into the possibility of medically prescribed trt if for you are experiencing symptoms of low test. A doctor can help you determine if it's needed or not. (Keep in mind you will want to wait for the UGL test to clear out of your system- this could cause issues at the dr if you choose this route.)

One very IMPORTANT note. You said you are putting away the AAS for the time being which is a good call. How many times have you pinned this stuff? Depending on your answer you may need to run a proper pct to avoid fucking yourself up further. It's also possible that you can get away without. Let us know, again this is VERY IMPORTANT!
 
ChuckBytes said:
t's not a magic elixir that will change me but i have to say that i needed the testE, the body just isn't producing it like it used to anymore. It has put a bounce back into my step.
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Good follow-up post....

Did you get your blood tested? Feelings are honestly a terrible way to gauge your pre-injection hormone levels and the same for post.

The placebo effect can be a real motherfucker. Blood testing wont lie to you though.

As @rigs03 mentioned above how many injections did you do over how much time?
 
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