Non HPTA suppressive hypertrophy assistance

[critpanda]

The title is the best way I could frame my question sorry if it’s a bit wordy

What are the best drugs to take while off cycle to help grow muscle that do not meaningfully suppress testosterone?

So far I have a rough idea

- Enclomiphene for FSH and LH
- HCG to keep testes full and sensitised
- HGH for IGF
- Possibly low dose proviron to bind to SHBG
OR
YK-11 to inhibit myostatin
Both are suppressive so I want to be careful in which one I choose


Probably less effective

- 10mg boron to spike free test
- 400mg tongkat ali to lower cortisol, reduce SHBG, and free bound T.
- L-Carnitine to increase androgen receptor sensitivity

Is there anything I’m missing?

 

[just some dude]

YK11 Is a steroidal sarm.

 

[critpanda]

YK11 Is a steroidal sarm.

I heard at low doses it’s rarely suppressive. Am I wrong?

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Another looksmaxxing retard

 

[persistence]

Testosterone + hCG and then PCT post-cycle

There's no androgenic compound that can exert reasonable anabolic effects without a considerable degree of suppression.

Even YK-11

 

[just some dude]

I heard at low doses it’s rarely suppressive. Am I wrong?

Not sure, I started young but when it was just bodybuilding that was mainstream. I kept a test base etc. My focus was my body. (Until my hair and skin deteriorated.) - So don’t let these people tell you that preserving youthfulness is stupid. It’s just brutal to think about things you can’t control is all.

Prioritize anabolism over androgens.
Eat lots of protein. Prioritize recovery.

 

[Psy-chonaut]

Be real boring (work ethics X frequency):

Hard training and food X time = not HPTA suppressive, but no one wants to do it ....

 

[cousinmuscles]

The title is the best way I could frame my question sorry if it’s a bit wordy

What are the best drugs to take while off cycle to help grow muscle that do not meaningfully suppress testosterone?

So far I have a rough idea

- Enclomiphene for FSH and LH
- HCG to keep testes full and sensitised
- HGH for IGF
- Possibly low dose proviron to bind to SHBG
OR
YK-11 to inhibit myostatin
Both are suppressive so I want to be careful in which one I choose


Probably less effective

- 10mg boron to spike free test
- 400mg tongkat ali to lower cortisol, reduce SHBG, and free bound T.
- L-Carnitine to increase androgen receptor sensitivity

Is there anything I’m missing?

HCG will suppress your HPTA because you are overriding the pituitaries signalling. Enclomiphene for the minimal benefit and increased risks is a bad idea. Lowering SHBG will not increase free testosterone, it will decrease bound testosterone. YK-11 is suppressive, despite no studies confirming this, it binds to the androgen receptor and people report some level of suppression from it.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Yk11 is a steroid and will be suppressive.
Aromatizing steroids shut you down the hardest. Ex: test, dbol, deca, etc.
Enclomiphene is a terrible idea unless you enjoy eye floaters and permanent eye damage. May not happen to everyone but it's not worth the risk on my opinion. Enclomiphene and HCG are more feel goods for coming off cycle than anything else. They don't restore natural total test levels any faster than no pct

True TRT of 120mg/week or less would be the answer I would pick.