Novolin R - experience & timing

[syuri]

Has anyone got experience with Novolin R? I was planning to use 5 units to test it out PWO.

I understand that is has a long peak, and theoretically does that mean one bigger dose PWO is fine and the post-workout use isn't needed? The peak is around 2-4 hours in. I wanted to pin at 3:45, eat PWO carbs at 4:15, and train at 5-6. Anyone that has experience, I'd appreciate hearing about your experiences. TIA

 

[rxParabolan]

Yeah i'd compare it to lantus almost, have used it quite a bit and got good results i would try and dose 2 hours pre workout (I did 50iu) while fasted keep in mind and would still wait 45-1hr before eating 1/3 the amount of carbs for the dose in my case around 150 and then another 1/3 intraworkout, and last third post workout. it spikes at around 2 hours and 4-6 hours.

 

[adrenalytic]

Yeah i'd compare it to lantus almost, have used it quite a bit and got good results i would try and dose 2 hours pre workout (I did 50iu) while fasted keep in mind and would still wait 45-1hr before eating 1/3 the amount of carbs for the dose in my case around 150 and then another 1/3 intraworkout, and last third post workout. it spikes at around 2 hours and 4-6 hours.

I'm by no means an expert with slin but I took 8 units post workout while making dinner and went hypo almost immediately. BG was 32. I didn't pass out but started sweating profusely and the room was spinning. Immediately ate some fast carbs and recovered pretty quick.

My point is 50 units would have had me on the ground and you want someone to take it fasted and wait an hour? I don't think this is a safe recommendation.

 

[rxParabolan]

I'm by no means an expert with slin but I took 8 units post workout while making dinner and went hypo almost immediately. BG was 32. I didn't pass out but started sweating profusely and the room was spinning. Immediately ate some fast carbs and recovered pretty quick.

My point is 50 units would have had me on the ground and you want someone to take it fasted and wait an hour? I don't think this is a safe recommendation.

by no means is my dose a recommendation but I was just explaining how novo R isn't like a analog insulin and is spread out throughout 12 hours so you can dose higher. What type of slin were you using?

 

[adrenalytic]

by no means is my dose a recommendation but I was just explaining how novo R isn't like a analog insulin and is spread out throughout 12 hours so you can dose higher. What type of slin were you using?

Humalog. Gotcha, never tried R so I just saw fast insulin thinking it was the same. My b.

 

[rxParabolan]

Humalog. Gotcha, never tried R so I just saw fast insulin thinking it was the same. My b.

yeah 50iu of Humalog would almost definitely hospitalize you lmao

 

[john123321]

yeah 50iu of Humalog would almost definitely hospitalize you lmao

I am kinda new to all this, but isn't it scary sourcing humalog from underground labs and everything. what if a vial is overfilled?

or is that not how insulin works do people just sell their prescriptions

 

[adrenalytic]

I am kinda new to all this, but isn't it scary sourcing humalog from underground labs and everything. what if a vial is overfilled?

or is that not how insulin works do people just sell their prescriptions

Bro don't buy UGL insulin. Pharma only. You can get the shit at Walmart without a script lol (granted it's not humalog but you can get nova)

 

[rxParabolan]

I am kinda new to all this, but isn't it scary sourcing humalog from underground labs and everything. what if a vial is overfilled?

or is that not how insulin works do people just sell their prescriptions

I have maybe seen only once ugl slin, most sources sell it in pens and those are pharma.

 

[john123321]

Bro don't buy UGL insulin. Pharma only. You can get the shit at Walmart without a script lol (granted it's not humalog but you can get nova)

should novolin r be safer than humalog? because I guess I have more time to eat or idk u tell me

 

[rxParabolan]

should novolin r be safer than humalog? because I guess I have more time to eat or idk u tell me

novolin r is safer on paper because it is longer lasting and pretty difficult to go hypo on, but humalog is probably more effective from a muscle growth perspective shuttling nutrients super fast. longer lasting insulins are used more to help combat insulin resistance.

 

[john123321]

novolin r is safer on paper because it is longer lasting and pretty difficult to go hypo on, but humalog is probably more effective from a muscle growth perspective shuttling nutrients super fast. longer lasting insulins are used more to help combat insulin resistance.

yeah I agree with that. is pharma hard to source like if I looked for it in the recent thread I think I could find like actual pharma humalog? and then, do you think hGH and slin are synergistic or should I take them far apart in the day. thanks, sorry for all the questions

 

[adrenalytic]

should novolin r be safer than humalog? because I guess I have more time to eat or idk u tell me

lots of pros use both...but if you are not pro its not worth it. You run the risk of becoming diabetic without careful monitoring. With long insulins you are essentially flooding your system with insulin all day..this is fine if you're diabetic already, not so much for those with a normal functioning pancreas.

 

[john123321]

lots of pros use both...but if you are not pro its not worth it. You run the risk of becoming diabetic without careful monitoring. With long insulins you are essentially flooding your system with insulin all day..this is fine if you're diabetic already, not so much for those with a normal functioning pancreas.

so I guess don't touch novolin makes sense. even r lasts too long its like 7 hours I think

 

[Laxman3221]

Regular Insulin last about 8 hours not 12, peaks once at about 2-3 hours and is nothing like lantus (glargine)

 

[AlexDavis43]

Longer lasting insulins are used more to help combat insulin resistance.

Eh, they cause more insulin resistance

In the age of much better antihyperglycemic drugs like GLP1s, insulin should not be used to combat insulin resistance

 

[bananafeet]

Regular Insulin last about 8 hours not 12, peaks once at about 2-3 hours and is nothing like lantus (glargine)


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These charts mean effectively nothing to a non diabetic. 4iu of FIASP made me near hypo for 1 hour solid.

If you are on a glp1 or metformin or have good insulin sensitivity a tiny bit of insulin can fuck you up proper good.

Be careful.

 

[AlexDavis43]

yeah I agree with that. is pharma hard to source like if I looked for it in the recent thread I think I could find like actual pharma humalog? and then, do you think hGH and slin are synergistic or should I take them far apart in the day. thanks, sorry for all the questions

If you're in USA, you can get Novolin R at Walmart for pretty cheap

My grocery store pharmacy has it for like $50; it's cheapest at Walmart ime

If the clerk or pharmacy tech is new, they might think it requires a prescription; you can try to assure them it doesn't and to look it up on their computer

 

[adrenalytic]

so I guess don't touch novolin makes sense. even r lasts too long its like 7 hours I think

fast is all you really need. YOu just use a few units pwo, eat a fuckton of carbs, bring an EAA drink to sip while at the gym, take a few more units post and eat carbs like a mfer.

The periworkout window is our main concern as amateur bbers

 

[rxParabolan]

Eh, they cause more insulin resistance

In the age of much better antihyperglycemic drugs like GLP1s, insulin should not be used to combat insulin resistance

not used to combat it, used as replacement because you are not utilizing it well