Nullification Rally Sets Stage for Opposition To Obamacare

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Nullification Rally Sets Stage for Opposition To Obamacare

I was there and yes - it was awesome. Watch the videos and listen to the man who is bringing nullification back into American history.

I met Dr. Woods and the folks over at the Tenth Amendment Center. I have even blogged a few posts for them. To say these guys are the cream of the crop in terms of understanding constitutional history and putting to rest the "myth" of the constitutional scholar (I mean, there is a copy from the Heritage foundation that can fit in your pocket!).

Game. Set. Match.

Full coverage of this event is here: http://texasgopvote.com/principles/...as-addressed-10th-amendment-conference-001754
 
Jury Nullification Advocate Is Indicted
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26jury.html?hp

February 25, 2011
By BENJAMIN WEISER

Julian P. Heicklen sat silent and unresponsive as his bail hearing began last week in federal court in Manhattan; his eyes were closed, his head slumped forward.

“Mr. Heicklen?” the magistrate judge, Ronald L. Ellis, asked. “Mr. Heicklen? Is Mr. Heicklen awake?”

“I believe he is, your honor,” a prosecutor, Rebecca Mermelstein, said. “I think he’s choosing not to respond but is certainly capable of doing so.”

There was, in fact, nothing wrong with Mr. Heicklen, 78, who eventually opened his eyes and told the judge, “I’m exercising my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.”

Indeed, it was not his silence that landed Mr. Heicklen, a retired Pennsylvania State University chemistry professor, in court; it was what he had been doing outside the federal courthouse at 500 Pearl Street.

Since 2009, Mr. Heicklen has stood there and at courthouse entrances elsewhere and handed out pamphlets encouraging jurors to ignore the law if they disagree with it, and to render verdicts based on conscience.

That concept, called jury nullification, is highly controversial, and courts are hostile to it. But federal prosecutors have now taken the unusual step of having Mr. Heicklen indicted on a charge that his distributing of such pamphlets at the courthouse entrance violates the law against jury tampering. He is to appear in court on Friday for a conference in his case.

Mr. Heicklen insists that he never tries to influence specific jurors or cases, and instead gives his brochures to passers-by, hoping that jurors are among them.

But he feels his message must be getting out, or the government would not have brought charges against him.

“If I weren’t having any effect, would they do this?” said Mr. Heicklen, whose former colleagues recall him as a talented and unconventional educator. “You don’t have to be a genius to figure this thing out.”

Prosecutors declined to comment on his case, as did Sabrina Shroff, a lawyer who was assigned to assist Mr. Heicklen. (He is acting as his own lawyer.)

He said his activism on nullification dated back to just after he retired in the early 1990s, when he openly smoked marijuana in State College, Pa., to get arrested as a protest against marijuana laws. For this, he was arrested about five times. Mr. Heicklen has said that he otherwise does not smoke marijuana.

Around the same time, he learned about a group called the Fully Informed Jury Association, which urges jurors to nullify laws with which they disagree. Mr. Heicklen, of Teaneck, N.J., said he distributed the group’s materials as well as his own.

“I don’t want them to nullify the murder laws,” he said. “I’m a big law-and-order guy when it comes to real crime.”

But, he said, there were other laws he wanted to nullify, like drug and gambling laws.

“This is classic political advocacy,” said Christopher T. Dunn, associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. “Unless the government can show that he’s singling out jurors to influence a specific verdict, it’s squarely protected by the First Amendment, and they should dismiss the case.”

But Daniel C. Richman, a former prosecutor who teaches criminal law at Columbia, said there was an interest in ensuring the integrity of the jury process. “The government has to walk a fine First Amendment line bringing these charges,” he said, “but lawless jury behavior is certainly of concern to it, too.”

Mr. Heicklen says that when he stands outside the court, he holds a sign that reads “Jury Info” to draw people to him. “Sometimes they think I’m official,” he said. He answers questions and advises that jurors have the right to nullify.

Jessica A. Roth, a Cardozo law professor, said such activities could confuse and mislead jurors, since “the information he’s giving these people is likely to be in direct conflict with the instructions they will receive from a judge if they are jurors in a case.”

Mr. Heicklen, a Cornell graduate, taught for more than 20 years at Penn State, where he was a faculty member known for his innovative methods, former colleagues said.

He would bring Penn State dancers, actors and cheerleaders into one course to illustrate molecular vibration and to celebrate scientific discovery. “People talked about this course for years,” Robert Bernheim, a retired professor, recalled.

Barbara J. Garrison, who heads the Penn State chemistry department, called Mr. Heicklen “an enormously creative scientist” who “really liked to think outside the box and sometimes that meant that he ran counter to the establishment.”

About his earlier marijuana arrests, Ms. Garrison said, “He had his own way of doing it, but he was really fighting for people who were in jail that he didn’t think belonged in jail.”

Court records show Mr. Heicklen has been cited at least six times since October 2009 for distributing fliers without a permit at the entrance of the Manhattan federal courthouse. But the violations, which carry fines, do not depend on the content of his message. If convicted of the jury tampering charge, he could face a six-month sentence.

When issued a citation, Mr. Heicklen acknowledged, he sometimes intentionally dropped to the sidewalk, and had even been taken to local hospitals, where he was examined and released.

Mr. Heicklen has at times been harsh in the courtroom, and in writing to judges. In one recent letter to the court, he said he wanted Muslims “excluded from the jury” because he was Jewish and “Islam preaches death to Jews.”

Mr. Heicklen has sued the government and various hospitals to which he was taken after being issued citations and falling to the ground.

“Plaintiff Heicklen,” he said in one suit, “has become an angry man.”
 
More like point. Supreme Court decides game, set, match, dude. I'm sure you'll forgive me if I wait to hear their decision instead of yours.

Principles of 98 dude. Oh, an dude: http://www.nullifynow.com/2011/01/the-untold-history-of-nullification-resisting-slavery/:

Few Americans have ever heard the heroic story of how the people of Wisconson and several other states stood up to the federal government’s tyrannical, unconstitutional slave laws with the help of their elected state officials.

Oh and even more dude: In a dispute between you and another person, would they agree to let your best friend or mother be the arbitrator? No? The constitution was also setup this way. In a dispute between the feds and the states, the states were not only guaranteed in the constitution to have the final say except for very specified and limited enumerated powers, they would not sign the document until they were also verbally and in other writings convinced that this was the case. Read the federalist and anti-federalist papers.

In your little world, the island of Britain has been replace by a centralized power in DC. You would have me believe we fought a war with a power where the sovereignty of that power lay in Parliament and thought - hey, now that we won, wouldn't it be great if we copied their way of government and concentrate power in the federal branches and said screw you to the states? Please, give me a break.

History sure is a bitch.

Years of poor education and a complete lack of understanding the constitution, dude, has lead folks to believe the SCOTUS is the final arbiter of the constitution. It is not, dude. Now quit drinking the bong water, dude.

Game. Set. Match.

And let's not forget a state Constitutional convention. One hot button item: the removal of SCOTUS judges who deviate from the constitution as written. Who abscond with states rights and the rights of the people and offer them to the Statists. That should dump four of them right off the bat.
 
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More like point. Supreme Court decides game, set, match, dude. I'm sure you'll forgive me if I wait to hear their decision instead of yours.

Samuel Adams asked me to pass this on: If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
 
The Normalization Of Nullification
The Normalization Of Nullification | TPMMuckraker

For most of the last century, talk of secession, nullification and the rest of the extreme states-rights lexicon were relegated to the fringiest parts of the political fringe. But since Barack Obama entered the White House in January 2009, mainstream Republican rhetoric and proposed legislation at the state level have both warmed to the hoary idea that state governments can take their relationship with the federal government on what amounts to an a la carte basis or perhaps abandon it altogether.

Take the concept of Nullification -- the notion that individual states can unilaterally refuse to follow or enforce federal law they don't agree with. For the most part, it's been laughed off since the Civil War. It was brought up again by segregationists during the Civil Rights Era but more out of desperation and political theater than as a serious approach to the constitution.

But the rise of the Tea Party and its amorphous anti-federal government platform has brought these ideas closer to the mainstream than they've been in decades. So, while nullification advocates, Tenthers, secessionists, "constitutional tender" proponents, and the rest don't necessarily share the same theoretical rationales, together they've brought hostility to the federal government back into the realm of respectable political discourse.

The change first came into full view during the Health Care Reform debate when Republican lawmakers happily ginned up and supported the idea that states could opt out of the law via Tenth Amendment-based legislation.

Current presidential candidate and former Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN), for example, agreed that "asserting the Tenth Amendment may be a viable option" when it comes to keeping Minnesota from being forced to follow the health care law. And Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) at the time advocated for the states to find ways of fighting the legislation were it to be passed, including invoking the Tenth Amendment.

Many states have since attempted to do just that. The Iowa House passed a law in February that would allow states to exempt their residents from the requirements of the health care reform law. The Idaho legislature recently killed a similar bill. The New Hampshire legislature voted down a proposal last year that would nullify health care reform, but took it a step further by allowing federal officials to be prosecuted if they tried to enforce it.

Republican lawmakers have also used this kind of rhetoric as a crutch for other issues. Then-House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said in April last year, in response to Arizona's controversial immigration law, that "the people of Arizona have the right under the Tenth Amendment to write their own laws -- and they have."

Ten conservative House members, including Reps. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and Randy Neugebauer (R-TX), even set up a "Tenth Amendment task force" last April that aimed to "disperse power from Washington and restore the Constitutional balance of power through liberty-enhancing federalism."

Minnesota State Rep. Tom Emmer, who ran for governor of Minnesota in the last midterm elections, was a longtime dabbler in Tentherism. "We all know that states have the rights to assert their Tenth Amendment powers and affirm those rights in the state constitution," he once said.

Then there are the secession-mongers. Former Rep. Zach Wamp (R-TN), while running for governor of Tennessee, said that if in 2010 and 2012 Americans didn't vote for a Congress committed to repealing health care reform, states might be "forced to consider separation from this government." He later backtracked.

And Texas Gov. Rick Perry caught a lot of flak for suggesting that Texas could secede from the union "if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people."

What seems like loose talk by high-profile Republicans has been echoed in a steady streams of proposed bills in state legislatures around the country. An expansive bill in Arizona would have created a mechanism for states to nullify any federal law, but it failed after passing out of the state Senate. Republicans in Montana have introduced about a dozen different kinds of nullification bills in the present session, including one that would render the Endangered Species Act invalid. Though a few of these proposals have died, some are still circulating in the state legislature.

There's also Sheriffs First legislation, which was also proposed in Montana, and would give local sheriffs supreme authority in their counties and require the Feds to get their permission before making arrests.

Then there's a raft of new proposed currency laws that would let states return to the gold standard or simply create their own state-based currencies. At least 10 states have legislation circulating that would legalize gold and silver as currency, and the Utah House even passed such a bill in March. In South Carolina, one legislator even floated creating a new state currency altogether.

The concept of states' rights mostly clings to one interpretation of the Tenth Amendment, which says that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Tenthers would say this means a state doesn't have to follow federal laws the state believes exceeds the federal government's constitutional authority.

But this pretty clearly goes against the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, in Article 6:

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

Elizabeth Wydra, Chief Counsel for the progressive think tank the Constitutional Accountability Center, says that the Tenther ideology more closely resembles the breakdown of powers planned out by the Articles of Confederation, in which "Congress didn't really have any power to enforce [the] law."

But, she told TPM, "it's clear that once states become part of the union, they can't just pick and choose which laws they want to obey from the federal government. Assuming, of course, that those laws are drafted according to the Constitutional powers of the federal government."

"A lot of these folks who are behind these nullification efforts don't understand that," Wydra added.

She also attributed the mainstreaming of these efforts to the rise of the Tea Party "and Tea Party rhetoric that erroneously characterizes the Constitution as giving very limited power to the federal government, when in fact that's not true."

But Michael Boldin, founder of the Tenth Amendment Center, disagrees. His organization, a California-based think tank that touts "liberty through decentralization," has been a behind-the-scenes force when it comes to the Tenther movement. "Going to the federal government to fix problems that we see as being caused by the federal government is not just absurd, but it's a failure," he told TPM in an interview.

More of a libertarian than a Tea Party conservative himself, Boldin calls President George W. Bush a "nasty dude," and seems more concerned with pot legalization than anything else. But his site still offers model legislation for causes like nullifying health care reform. In fact, Boldin estimates that 11 states have used his site's own model legislation for drafting their bills to nullify health care reform. One other state used his model for hemp legislation, and six for legislation about intrastate commerce.

Boldin doesn't see the recent increase in these kinds of bills as a surge at all. He said that states have frequently brought up bills to legalize marijuana, and he would more characterize the current momentum as a "shift in priorities" for the broad Tenther movement.

To be sure, there hasn't been much clear victory. Boldin's site tracks all of the legislation, and few of the bills make it out of one or both houses in the state legislature. But Boldin is happy with the victories he has had, and says that in the end, "I don't think this centralized power idea is really working."

It's an assessment that no doubt still lives well outside the political mainstream, but by not nearly as much as it once did. And it's an ideology that's clearly gaining an expanding audience in halls of power across the country.
 
Game. Set. Match.
While your passion for the sport is obvious, I'm starting to think that you haven't picked up a tennis racquet in your life.

Now quit drinking the bong water, dude.
Hmmm ... didn't your momma tell you it needed to be distilled first to be potable.

The Normalization Of Nullification
The Normalization Of Nullification | TPMMuckraker
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More of a libertarian than a Tea Party conservative himself, Boldin calls President George W. Bush a "nasty dude," and seems more concerned with pot legalization than anything else. But his site still offers model legislation for causes like nullifying health care reform. In fact, Boldin estimates that 11 states have used his site's own model legislation for drafting their bills to nullify health care reform. One other state used his model for hemp legislation, and six for legislation about intrastate commerce. ...

How come I always knew that a pothead would eventually come along to save the day. If nullification of the Affordable Care Act means legal weed, you're gonna find you get a lot more buy-in. :D
 
But, she told TPM, "it's clear that once states become part of the union, they can't just pick and choose which laws they want to obey from the federal government. Assuming, of course, that those laws are drafted according to the Constitutional powers of the federal government."

Read more from the MESO-Rx Steroid Forum at: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134297893

Unfortunately for TPM the states signed the Constitution with the express understanding that they would have powers over the federal government not expressively provided to the federal government by the 10th Amendment. Read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers.

As far as what the Supremacy Clause actually means: Who’s Supreme? The Supremacy Clause Smackdown – Tenth Amendment Center

The so-called “supremacy clause” of the Constitution, found in Article 6, states, “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding [emphasis added].”

The key, of course, is the italicized phrase. All laws made in pursuance of the Constitution, or those clearly enumerated in the document, were supreme, State laws notwithstanding. In other words, the federal government was supreme in all items clearly listed in the document.

A quick reading of the Constitution illustrates that national healthcare is not one of the enumerated powers of the federal government, so obviously Engstrom’s blanket and simplistic statement is blatantly incorrect, but his distortion of the supremacy clause goes further.

The inclusion of such a clause in the Constitution was first debated at the Constitutional Convention on 31 May 1787. In Edmund Randolph’s initial proposal, called the Virginia Plan, the “national” legislature had the ability to “legislate in all cases to which the separate states are incompetent…” and “to negative all laws passed by the several states contravening, in the opinion of the national legislature, the Articles of Union….” John Rutledge, Pierce Butler, and Charles Pinckney of South Carolina challenged the word “incompetent” and demanded that Randolph define the term. Butler thought that the delegates “were running into an extreme, in taking away the powers of the states…” through such language.

Randolph replied that he “disclaimed any intention to give indefinite powers to the national legislature, declaring that he was entirely opposed to such an inroad on the state jurisdictions, and that he did not think any considerations whatever could ever change his determination [emphasis added].” James Madison, the author of the Virginia Plan, was not as forthcoming as to his sentiment. Ultimately, Madison preferred a negative over State law and wished the national legislature to be supreme in call cases. But he was not in the majority.

Of course, simple reasoning could be used. We beat the British. The sovereignty of the British lay in the parliament - a centralized Statist model. Exit question: The British abuse of power that lead to the revolutionary war. Copy it or not? We won, what do you think? Do you think the Constitution was actually written to displace the British government over to DC? If so, think again. That should clear things up for you. If it does not, then a little reading may help.
 
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