Odd HGH protocol

[Fronkthis]

I just read in MD about some pros using a different method of GH protocol.

something like 7 days on/21 off.
supposed to mimic the growth spurts of a child.

Very high doses on the 7 on days though like 10IU's

Are there any benefits to this method?
To me it sounds stupid. Id rather have effects daily.
Can any results be seen with a short burst cycle like that.
Would be combined with AAS and possibly T3.

 

[Fronkthis]

Ttt

 

[madman]

TTT for a friend

 

[Tank01]

I still think a constant dose is better... but then again.. .I dont know enough about this "new" method so im not going to criticize it ... bump for more info

 

[Fronkthis]

thanks guys.

Its the only time I have ever heard of it.

Maybe to take advantage of high T3 levels and insulin levels?

GH lowers insulin sensitivity and T3 conversion from t4.

So maybe hitting it so hard early, before your body reacts could work to advantage....

Anyone else even care to try and analyze a good reason to do it this way?

 

[Rex Feral]

thanks guys.

Its the only time I have ever heard of it.

Maybe to take advantage of high T3 levels and insulin levels?

GH lowers insulin sensitivity and T3 conversion from t4.

So maybe hitting it so hard early, before your body reacts could work to advantage....

Anyone else even care to try and analyze a good reason to do it this way?

This is called a GH bath or GH blast. It has been popular in the higher ranks for a few years now. I first wrote about this on the old Meso well over a year ago. Too bad those archives are lost, it was quite a lengthy & detailed post on this method. Its nothing new in other words.

Rex.

 

[Tank01]

This is called a GH bath or GH blast. It has been popular in the higher ranks for a few years now. I first wrote about this on the old Meso well over a year ago. Too bad those archives are lost, it was quite a lengthy & detailed post on this method. Its nothing new in other words.

Rex.

You know, I remember hearing all about the GH blasts.. I dont remember the details about it though cuz at the time I was still trying to learn as much about AAS as I could before I started my first cycle... I became interested in GH after my first cycle and it was then I started reading about it... I just checked my archives in my comp and I dont have the article either... sorry guys

 

[elitish13]

up for any info...

 

[bronco944]

that theory isnt redaly new. i remember reading about it when i first got on the boards 4 years ago. teh few board members that posted about it and tried it went back to there normal 2ed long term shots. my guess is if any pro takes that aproach they may do 7 days very heavy, then 21 at a "normal" dosage. but we will never know.

 

[Rex Feral]

that theory isnt redaly new. i remember reading about it when i first got on the boards 4 years ago. teh few board members that posted about it and tried it went back to there normal 2ed long term shots. my guess is if any pro takes that aproach they may do 7 days very heavy, then 21 at a "normal" dosage. but we will never know.

This method has lost much of its popularity. Mainly because it did not necessarily work better, nor did it not work as well. We do know now, you run 7-10 days heavy, off the rest of the month. If this approach is followed there is no lower dose GH the rest of the month. There will always be a few people who do their own thing, but the vast majority of the top guys I know who have done this, including myself, followed the plan. The basic premise is the fact that GH surges naturally. In a nutshell, because I don't feel like typing all that shit again, this approach attempts to mimic natural physiology. The dose usually more or less depends on the type of GH that is used. It only depends on the type in terms of how it is packaged. So, a few years ago when Serostim & Somaject were the most widely used, 18-21 IU/day for 7 days was the dose. So, if you had a kit w/ 7 6mg vials, one a day, you get the picture. Now Jino is very popular obviously, 10IU is low for a blast, so it would be 20 IU/day for 10 days because they come 10 vials to a kit vs. 7, so you would need 2 kits. All that matters is that you take @ least 18-21 IU/day for 7-10 days, off the rest of the month. Most people notice the greatest results after the 2nd blast, one will not do much good, plan on two. Also, if you do not use insulin, for the most part, this is not for you. Insulin is very important for several reasons when doing a blast. Some use Glucophage. Most interesting about this approach, & the reason why the schedule is generally adhered to, is that most report that gains continue for the 3 weeks before the next blast, most noticeably, fat loss.

Rex.

 

[Fronkthis]

Rex thanks. Very informative.

Im glad at least som ehave heard about it.

I pulled the article from August issue of Muscular Development.

It actually says 6 days on/24 off monthly cycle.

But the doses are only 8-10 IU daily.

I think I might just stick to the 2IU ed approach.

so Rex, have you used GH both ways? ED aproach and blast approach.

Which would you prefer?

 

[Rex Feral]

Rex thanks. Very informative.

Im glad at least som ehave heard about it.

I pulled the article from August issue of Muscular Development.

It actually says 6 days on/24 off monthly cycle.

But the doses are only 8-10 IU daily.

I think I might just stick to the 2IU ed approach.

so Rex, have you used GH both ways? ED aproach and blast approach.

Which would you prefer?

Well, 8-10IU is low for a traditional blast. I don't know anyone who has gone that low, so I can't say what would happen @ that dose. I suppose it could be an option if finances are an issue. One jino kit would give you two blasts. It may work just as well, might be worth a try. The premise of course is just to get a GH surge, 8-10 IU may accomplish that sufficiently. I have used GH every way possible. The blast/bath was quite popular, but most have found that it works about the same. So now its more or less a way to just switch things up for people who stay on GH. Some guys would tell you they feel like it "shocks" their body. I think its more or less a mental game, just a way to do it differently. I don't think its any better or any worse. I lose a lot of bodyfat after the second blast, but if diet/training are in order I can't honestly say that the same would not be accomplished w/ traditional dosing. Some people who have done blasts have abandoned the practice altogether in favor of traditional dosing. Some have abandoned it because they experience side effects @ a high dose. We all know the odd guy who gets wrist pain on 2IU/day. Some have abandoned it because they did not feel it worked any better & they like the consistency in traditional dosing. Some still use it to switch things up. I don't know of anyone who uses blasts exclusively, but I'm sure they exist. GH dosing is so varied among the top guys. There was a thread asking how much GH do the pros use. That is an extremely general question. I have seen doses anywhere from 1IU/day, yes just 1. The highest dose I have known anyone to use is 36IU/day. I know a former NPC USA overall champ, never did anything in the pros, but he is a pro, who uses 18IU on the 1st & 15th of the month. So, w/ dose I have seen 1-36IU. With frequency I have seen everything from injections twice a month, once a week, daily of course, & everything in between.
Personally, I would use a blast protocol again. But, I'm one of those who get bored easily.

Rex.

 

[Rex Feral]

Rex, who is this? Phil Hernon?

Yeah, its Phil. I first met Phil @ the '94 USAs in New Orleans. A few months later I saw him @ this fag's house here in L.A. off of Mulholland Dr. This queen "sponsored" a lot of guys back then. The next year he beat dickhead Titus @ the USA. I remember that odd dosing schedule though.

Rex.

 

[DIEZEL666]

Yeah, its Phil. I first met Phil @ the '94 USAs in New Orleans. A few months later I saw him @ this fag's house here in L.A. off of Mulholland Dr. This queen "sponsored" a lot of guys back then. The next year he beat dickhead Titus @ the USA. I remember that odd dosing schedule though.

Rex.

Rex, why would you say something like that about Phil? I consider myself friends with him and we talk fairly frequently. This just seems totally out of character.

 

[Rex Feral]

Rex, why would you say something like that about Phil? I consider myself friends with him and we talk fairly frequently. This just seems totally out of character.

Bro, Phil is a hell of a good guy. I apologize if you took that as something negative. I really don't see how that's saying anything bad about Phil. Unless you are assuming I'm suggesting that he had anything to do with this person other than the fact he was at the guy's house. If you know Phil you know that's not the case so I don't see how that's offensive. This is bodybuilding bro. Very normal stuff. I have not talked to him in some time. The last time was by pm a few years ago or whenever the professional muscle board went up. We laughed about it. Hell, I was there too. At least one other guy who has since turned pro was there that week as well. This guy helped a lot of top guys. He asked for nothing in return. I don't know if he helped Phil or not, can't say for sure, I'm just saying I saw him there. I don't see this as a big deal. Obviously you do, and for that I apologize, but nothing happened. There is no shame at being at someone's house. This is one reason that I generally refrain from mentioning any names. I certainly hope no one else got the wrong impression from this. So, from now on, no more names. I'm not trying to start shit here. I have always respected Phil. Now, if this had been about Titus for example, I would not even sweat this and would probably talk about some real shit. I respect Phil, he did nothing wrong, there is nothing else to say. This is bodybuilding though people, if you truely understand what I maen by that, you will not see this as a big deal. LMK if there is anything further you would like me to do to rectify this in your mind. Thanks bro.

Rex.

 

[madman]

Well Rex...............here we go.

Should I stop my ED dosing and do the blast or keep going ED in your opinion on what worked best for you. I use 4IU ED, just so you know.

 

[Tank01]

Well rex, Im glad you took the time to make those two large large posts... very informative... I think for the next year ill keep doing 5iu per day... if for some reason I feel inclined to try a bath or somthing Ill try that after the first year to see how it compairs... thanks for the information though dude, very interesting

later

 

[DIEZEL666]

Rex, Thanks for clarifying everything for me. I initially thought you were alluding to other activities on Phils part. He's been a huge help to me and I know him as a good honorable family man. I apologize for jumping to conclusions, and I meant no disrespect towards you. Thanks again.

 

[Rex Feral]

Madman. I like to try different protocols, always have, that's how I learn, by doing it. Like I said I don't think its necessarily better, but you have nothing to lose. I would try it if I were you, but its a personal choice. I pretty much never come off of anything though, so I don't have the constraints that a lot of these guys do who only do a few "cycles" a year. LMK if you have any more questions.

Tank. No problem bro. I was not trying be a dick & not answer the original question that I already addressed some time ago, I just did not have the time. Your plan for the next year is well laid out. Good luck to you & let us know how it goes.

D. You have the pms. Glad we straightened this out.

Rex.