Hi guys. New to site. I am 68 and have been training for some time, most guys at the gym think I am about 50. I am ectomorphic and have now hit a wall. Testosterone levels are obviously down at my age and want to start a steroid cycle. Scared shitless about doing it but feel its my only way forward. I need all the help I can get guys even down to should I even do it. How do I even know what I buy is from a good source? Thanks guys. Dave
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Welcome to Meso.
First, you should have a physical examination along with labs, including your testosterone level. Once you know where you stand healthwise, you'll have a better idea how you should proceed. For example, if your testosterone is low, starting TRT might be all you need for the results you're looking for.
Best of luck
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foreveryoung
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my opinion is a cycle at your age will do much more harm than good
Mike Oxbig
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Unless OP is content with going on TRT I tend to agree. I personally wouldn't attempt a restart at 68 y/o.
I would get on TRT first and then reevaluate after a few months. You might be content with the results from TRT and decide to forgo cycling.
I,ll be 68 in June ,I did cycles when i was 64,65,and 66 and recovered from all them.My TT after my last one was 440. You definately want to get your blood work done before you do any thing,also get a PSA done also.I am like you and dont look my age at all,and been working since i was 34. Ive done over 30 cycles most of them were fairly low dose compared to whats used now.If you decide to do a cycle use a low dose like 300 to 400 mg of test,that will get your test levels pretty high and it will let you see how you handle the side effects. You definately want to do a pct after your cycle and would keep the cycle at 8 weeks.
ironwill1951
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first of all what do you expect to achieve with a cycle ?
cvictorg
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TRT = testosterone replacement therapy
My opinion - go do a doctor and have complete blood work done
Testosterone Replacement Therapy - A Recipe for Success
INITIAL LABWORK
Total Testosterone
Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
DHT
Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or “sensitive” assay for males)
LH
FSH
Prolactin
Cortisol
Thyroid Panel
CBC
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Lipid Profile (NMR or VAP would be best)
PSA (if over 40)
IGF-1 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
FOLLOW-UP LABS
Two weeks after initiating a transdermal, or five weeks after the first IM injection:
Total Testosterone
Bioavailable Testosterone
Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is still unavailable)
Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or “sensitive” assay for males)
DHT (especially if patient is using a transdermal delivery system)
FSH (3rd Generation—ultrasensitive assay this time)
CBC
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Lipid Profile
PSA (for more senior patients)
IGF-1 (if GH Therapy has been initiated already)
So you're scared shit-less about doing a steroid cycle?
I'm was ectomorphic when I began training and turned endomorphic over night!
I read about doing cycles on a few forums to get different ideas and opinions about doing a beginner's cycle. The thing is I really didn't want to follow the cycle protocol. I ended up getting gyno and proviron helped with that episode.
After my gyno experience, I decided to stay on the steroids for as long as possible. I began injecting 2,000mg. every month and now I inject 1,500mg. every month. I don't cycle. I stay on it. I've been on steroids non-stop at that dose since Jan, 2006 and I have no plans on getting off unless the stuff kills me. I did stop for 2-3 months because my PCP wanted me to stop the steroid usage and get on TRT. What a fucking crash!!! Test dropped from >1500ng/dl to 220ng/dl and I felt like shit!!! I was put on 600mg. a month. That was nothing and later the doctor reduced that to 200mg. a month! OH BOY!
Find out where you are at present. What you do is to make an appointment at your clinic or hospital to get a "Nuclear Heart Stress Test". This test checks to find out if your heart has any problems. You don't want to end up suffering or dying of a heart attack within a few days of your first injection do you? Of course not.
Get your blood pressure checked because steroids will cause a raise in it.
Get a blood test to check your levels of testosterone to find out if you at your "normal" level for your age. When you do get on be wary of your AST and ALT levels. You want to keep your liver healthy by taking liver protectants while you are on cycle. After your cycle, go have a cold Budweiser!
Hey Dave welcome to meso. You have already been given some good advise . Your t levels are almost certainly low. The first step is to see a physician and have the tests mentioned. Testosterone replacement will go a long. Its not necessary to run large cycles, which may possibly damage your health. Low t is easy to change and you will be able to find a physician that can prescribe the appropriate dose.
I'm 53 and have been on trt for the last 7 years. Nothing to fear if you do this intelligently and that is with medical supervision. It will put the spring back in your step. I highly recommend it for you. We both know age is only a number.
Good luck and keep us informed.
Thanks guys. It is difficult in my case to speak to my Doc. He is a personal and family friend and I am not sure that I want to speak to him about TRT and Steroids. I have looked on the web and there are places that I could go to get TRT test done from a respectable source. Taking your advice maybe that's the way I will go in the first instance and at least see if I am failing there. You really are a band of brothers guys, thanks a lot. Dave
After my gyno experience, I decided to stay on the steroids for as long as possible. I began injecting 2,000mg. every month and now I inject 1,500mg. every month. I don't cycle. I stay on it. I've been on steroids non-stop at that dose since Jan, 2006 and I have no plans on getting off unless the stuff kills me. I did stop for 2-3 months because my PCP wanted me to stop the steroid usage and get on TRT. What a fucking crash!!! Test dropped from >1500ng/dl to 220ng/dl and I felt like shit!!! I was put on 600mg. a month. That was nothing and later the doctor reduced that to 200mg. a month! OH BOY!
DAMN !! Drea you be hittin that stuff hard ! And you seem fine and content and a little jacked up . 1500mg T/mo since 2006 ? Huh ,lol. Do you use an AI like Adex or anything ? ~
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tipdog
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Welcome,
I noticed that you are in the UK. If that is correct, and from what I've read, the trt dose will be 100mg shot every three weeks. That being said, someone from the UK posted that their GP had them on 150mg every week. I am going to look for that post because I could be mistaken.
I noticed that you are in the UK. If that is correct, and from what I've read, the trt dose will be 100mg shot every three weeks. That being said, someone from the UK posted that their GP had them on 150mg every week. I am going to look for that post because I could be mistaken.
tipdog
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I found it. The poster was lxm and he was on 125 mg of sustanon per week.
Direst quote from his thread:
"I am receiving treatment on the NHS within the UK.... 125mg per week (250mg sustanon per 14 days) is the absolute highest frequency protocol I can receive, I am lucky to be receiving this much testosterone, E2 control is out of the question unless self medicated."
From personal experience, 100mg every three weeks will not make you feel good. So, make sure that you can get the proper dosing from the begin.
Direst quote from his thread:
"I am receiving treatment on the NHS within the UK.... 125mg per week (250mg sustanon per 14 days) is the absolute highest frequency protocol I can receive, I am lucky to be receiving this much testosterone, E2 control is out of the question unless self medicated."
From personal experience, 100mg every three weeks will not make you feel good. So, make sure that you can get the proper dosing from the begin.
swole4ever
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You guys really kill me with some of the responses. Somehow I feel like we are all a bunch of old geezers in here.
Don't say that man, these guys really have been a great help to me. I have been training for years and have just hit this wall now and it could be that I need TRT. Lost my darling lady last year after 40 years of marriage and miss her like hell. So now just feel I want to achieve somewhere near the body I always wanted, probably too late but at least it gives me a goal. Thanks guys. Dave
To each his own but for someone the OPs age to begin cycling 2000 mg of TT per month especially without having several lab studies performed to determine the relative risk of adverse events is simply NUTS and is asking for a life change alright, a life changing DISABILITY!
(DeraAn I know that's not what you are suggesting!)
However the initial dose used should be the lowest possible to achieve the desired benefit WHILE obviously limiting adverse effects.
One more thing MUST be emphasized for those over the age of roughly 55 years.
I've heard the cry for the return of youthfulness oh so any times in that age group it makes me query the notion wisdom comes with age?
However after several visits the "real picture" becomes more apparent.
A midlife "crisis" of some sort (divorce in particular) is almost always exposed, and responsible for those unreasonable pursuits.
However with time the majority develop a sense of REASON about how Testosterone SUPPLEMENTATION may benefit their physical and emotional well being without necessarily compromising their health!
OP pursue TT for all the right rather than the wrong reasons and do it under the guidance and direction of a physician.
I mention this particular aspect of AAS because your first post is a quest for "a source" and that speaks for itself IMO.
Good luck
Jim
(DeraAn I know that's not what you are suggesting!)
However the initial dose used should be the lowest possible to achieve the desired benefit WHILE obviously limiting adverse effects.
One more thing MUST be emphasized for those over the age of roughly 55 years.
I've heard the cry for the return of youthfulness oh so any times in that age group it makes me query the notion wisdom comes with age?
However after several visits the "real picture" becomes more apparent.
A midlife "crisis" of some sort (divorce in particular) is almost always exposed, and responsible for those unreasonable pursuits.
However with time the majority develop a sense of REASON about how Testosterone SUPPLEMENTATION may benefit their physical and emotional well being without necessarily compromising their health!
OP pursue TT for all the right rather than the wrong reasons and do it under the guidance and direction of a physician.
I mention this particular aspect of AAS because your first post is a quest for "a source" and that speaks for itself IMO.
Good luck
Jim
The doc is right,at the age we are at our bodies dont heal and react like they did. I have done over 30 cycles since 1980 and in 2009 my son wanted me to train with him and help him gain some size. I started with a low dose and worked my way up over the next years without any problems.You would see some great results on even a low dose like 200 to 300 mg of test alone provided its good stuff and dosed properly. You definately want to get base line blood test and a PSA especially.
I'm beginning to have the same idea
muscular old geezers though.
