Operation cyber juices new bust.

[Dr JIM]

Sure but the difference for Wu was the sheer VOLUME of product being tested and the dirt balls he was testing product for.

Finally his desire to help others and not receive financial compensation says something about his character IMO.

Some have asked WHY would he or anyone else do this type of testing yet receive nothing as compensation.

My reply ALTURISM, a word FEW with UGL affiliations have even heard of!

In fact that word is so damn distant from their understanding of humanity, how do these UGL clowns (who were making all the money) repay Wu's generosity, offer him up as a sacrificial lamb to the Feds for reduced sentences!

Now that's the type of trash he was dealing with!

 

[biggerben69]

Doc, did you read where Wu was unable to obtain testosterone legally(needed for nose spray testing?) so he got it illegally and exchanged his testing gear for test. That's how i read it?

 

[Millard]

Doc, did you read where Wu was unable to obtain testosterone legally(needed for nose spray testing?) so he got it illegally and exchanged his testing gear for test. That's how i read it?

"On one or more occasions, WU emailed Heryford requesting a supply of testosterone base."

 

[Millard]

Doc, did you read where Wu was unable to obtain testosterone legally(needed for nose spray testing?) so he got it illegally and exchanged his testing gear for test. That's how i read it?

Mike Heryford and Hallie Clayton sold approximately $600,000 worth of steroids over a seven-month period with the help of Wu's quality control testing service. Wu got a few grams of testosterone base out of the deal. Wu is an accomplished and intelligent academic researcher with book smarts but zero common sense. These guys clearly took advantage of Wu's naivete regarding steroid law.

The feds destroyed Wu's career over this. And the feds will likely reward the snitch that turned him over to them with a reduced prison sentence. Any professionals here with a good job who don't mind losing it all over a simple possession charge? Are you guys ok with all of that?

From Heryford's plea agreement:

“Heryford has cooperated with law enforcement through debriefing in hopes that he will receive leniency in sentencing… Heryford told investigators that he conspired with Scott Davis, aka Beaker, and Yonnie Wu to conduct testing of illicit anabolic steroids sent to him by different clandestine manufacturers."

Sure but the difference for Wu was the sheer VOLUME of product being tested and the dirt balls he was testing product for.

Finally his desire to help others and not receive financial compensation says something about his character IMO.

Some have asked WHY would he or anyone else do this type of testing yet receive nothing as compensation.

My reply ALTURISM, a word FEW with UGL affiliations have even heard of!

In fact that word is so damn distant from their understanding of humanity, how do these UGL clowns (who were making all the money) repay Wu's generosity, offer him up as a sacrificial lamb to the Feds for reduced sentences!

Now that's the type of trash he was dealing with!

Even though Wu was only charged with simple possession, the publicity it gave the DEA (and the careers of the officers involved) was priceless. They knew Wu wasn't involved with the AAS sales and received no financial compensation for testing, and it didn't matter. Destroying his career and damaging the reputation of a university for a misdemeanor wasn't even a consideration.

Like everything the government does, the symbolism is always more important than the substance.

I agree ^^

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Wu is an accomplished and intelligent academic researcher with book smarts but zero common sense. These guys clearly took advantage of Wu's naivete regarding steroid law.

I've worked with a lot of Chinese grad students, postdocs, research fellows, etc. - probably a hundred or so - from both Hong Kong and the mainland, and the difference in naivete between the two was very noticeable. The ones from HK were much more savvy, no doubt due to the influence of British rule still being felt. I found the ones from the mainland to be brilliant but their lives had been so sheltered they were far too trusting and didn't have a clue about anything unrelated to their field of study. However, almost to a man they were very eager to go above and beyond in order to help others with their time and expertise, and not once did I ever see one ask for anything in return.

I'm a bit OT here but my point is that I can absolutely see a mainland Chinese academic being easily manipulated by someone asking for their help, especially someone employed by or enrolled as a student at their institution. It's a real shame that Wu's professional reputation and career was destroyed because he was in all likelihood hoodwinked by a couple of scumbag snitches. It will be even worse if Angus receives a reduced sentence because of it.

 

[Dr JIM]

Doc, did you read where Wu was unable to obtain testosterone legally(needed for nose spray testing?) so he got it illegally and exchanged his testing gear for test. That's how i read it?

It's my understanding TT is the ONLY AAS available to non-DEA registered lab. However the quantity is limited and likely restricted to specific formulations such as standards used for MS/HPLC testing.

It seems quite likely Wu wanted to exclude whatever TT testing he was performing off the University research books for proprietary reasons.

That's to say if Wu would have gone thru proper University channels to obtain TT legally, any of "his discoveries" related to its aquisition could/would have been declared university property, and that includes PATENTS!

Nonetheless this is the quid pro quo of academics which can be circumvented, at least in some instances, thru private sector employment.

The latter is also where Wu is quite likely to find gainful employment in the near future.

 

[biggerben69]

Hey, Doc. If he was a tenured Professor would his being let go been more of an issue? I'm sure there would be clauses concerning things like this that would allow him to be fired regardless of his employment situation. My sis is has tenure at a mid western
University. I can't imagine her putting herself in a situation where she would jeapordize her career for anything.

 

[Dr JIM]

The answer varies from state to state and institution to institution. It also depends upon how important a certain prof is to the university.

Important may mean how many research dollars did a prof obtain for a facility AND whether or not those grants were attached to a prof by NAME or thru the research he or she was conducting.

In many instances we are talking about MILLIONS!

Moreover a tenured prof may opt to fight dismissal thru the courts and in those situations a settlement is almost always reached, for the "benefit of the community, university and all other un-named parties".

 

[nolimitz]

I wonder how the it guy solicited this professor to do the testing. Now I'm curious if there are other people with similar arrangements at other universities. I'm surprised he even put in that much effort to test his raws. It ended up being good for the end user but he added more risk.

 

[Dr JIM]

Sorry but without KNOWING the answer to that question, the responses are conjecture not worthy of the Meso page they are printed on. But then again perhaps the National Inquirer, Star mag, or some other "gossip papers" would be interested

 

[Millard]

I wonder how the it guy solicited this professor to do the testing. Now I'm curious if there are other people with similar arrangements at other universities.

Yes. When researching options for AnabolicLab, several people contacted me who claimed to have connections for testing at university labs in the U.S. However, none of the labs were willing to stand behind their results by being publicly identified. I didn't bother asking if they were DEA-licensed. Their avoidance of public disclosure told me all I needed to know. This arrangement may be suitable for individual testing but Anaboliclab required the maximum credibility of a lab like SIMEC.

 

[Millard]

Wu was sentenced to two years probation and ordered to pay $5,000 fine.

Source: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/college-professor-given-probation-for-role-in-large-north-texas-illegal-steroid-distribution-ring.html/

 

[Dr JIM]

Sorry but without KNOWING the answer to that question, the responses are conjecture not worthy of the Meso page they are printed on. But then again perhaps the National Inquirer, Star mag, or some other "gossip papers" would be interested

Now we KNOW!

Thx M

 

[Dr JIM]

This forum and it's members owe you a debt of gratitude for achieving that which no one else thought was possible, (including your's truly ) full disclosure of AAS assays!

You have no idea how much grief, time and effort, I've been spared bc of your analyses Millard. And my appreciation has absolutely NOTHING to do with the products tested bc I've NEVER used any of them)

What can I say but thanks!
JIM

 

[Big_paul]

Your tax money at work. The pig spends 5 years staking out steroids? When we talk about less government, we mean this. There are tons of smack and crystal coming into the USA from Mexico and these cocksuckers are looking at steriods.

Whats next school bullies extorting lunch money?