hudson98
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I just did the graphs myself on that site, prop at ED, vs E vs 1x a week, vs Test U at once a week, prop looks way more stable to me? What am I missing? You guy site appears to support my argument not yours?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Opininons about testosterone undecanoate
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Rido
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Ok. So it's you, you are the only one that says it's more ideal.
What about sustanon?
Do you even look at studies that have no financial conflict of interest?
"Look It up yourself". Lol
For someone that states they have a master's degree, I find it hard to believe you have problems interpreting a graph that is pretty basic to the health sciences...
hudson98
Banned
ooo, getting pissy, we like those long esters and anyone that doesn't say "TEST U IS GOD NO MORE PINNING" we get pissy.
if im the only one that says it's ideal, why do sources carry prop? no one is using it. why npp? no one uses short esters right.
how many sources are carrying test u? just that one on here I guess he has that secret special hookup and all the other sources are dying to carry it because everyone wants it but they can't find it, LOL.
you don't need a masters degree to interpret a graph thats elementary school, did you pass? what is your graph proving?
hudson98
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are you sure you can read a graph? am I missing something here?
plug in 100mg prop ED and 700mg test U 1x a week, plot, take your screen shot. I can't link the plotted ones and im not taking a screenshot just for this little argument
plug in 100mg prop ED and 700mg test U 1x a week, plot, take your screen shot. I can't link the plotted ones and im not taking a screenshot just for this little argument
hudson98
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The longer ester I put in, the more I spread it out, the more lumpy and unpredictable it becomes. and your using this site to argue that your method is superior to shorting acting every day at the same time? odd
Rido
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Of course. It gets irritating when the only thing you can base it on is
"why do these esters exist?"
"Someone is making money off of this"
There are 2 sources here that carry it. Yea, that's me, I'm getting a dollar for every vial?
Oh wait. They are selling test c for the same price. No incentive for me.
"don't trust these graphs, or understand how to interpret them."
Your words, but for some reason you cant
interpret drug serum concentration. It's actually quite sad.
Any evidence that is posted by pharma is clearly disregarded because they have their money into it. There was no difference in sides according to those studies and the main benefit was convenience.
I find it hard to believe that someone who has a master's degree does not follow up to date evidence based practice or has practical application of new therapies.
You are the only one here who thinks using one of the oldest esters for TRT is better than newer technology, which isn't even that new. It's quite pathetic
Your master's degree clearly reflects it's value.
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Rido
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I just got fed up with your stupid responses with no scientific basis . Half the shit you say is speaking out of your ass.
hudson98
Banned
ooo, getting triggered.
aren't you one of the guys who was arguing with me a while back saying 15 percent is lean, your somewhere. round there>? so you don't know dick about training or diet, but you have these cool graphs, lol. if you think pinning is hard, god forbid you ever went to the gym.
maybe they can take my masters degree away because I plug in your "optimal" drug on your silly little site and I see levels bumping up and down, maybe my eyes need checked too
I never said you sold the long acting garbage, you use it and your emotionally invested in and and probably hurts you that someone says what your doing is less than otiimal
"im doing it this way I don't wanna change, It's the best way, it has to be!!"
hudson98
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here's a fun question
when you run long long acting test, and it builds up too high and you get estrogen problems, what do you do?
"guys recommend an ai". get to jump on AI and possibly crash your estro
what about if your on prop and you get estrogen problems? adjust the dose, or drop it, boom, your good
how are you going to determine your test levels when they are building up over 4 weeks? or adjust when it takes so long to dick in? with prop, boom, drop it down and re-test the next week
but yeah, just talking out my ass. bodybuilders everywhere are searching for TU, better not tell them we have it here they will be all flooding over to get their hands on it.
sounds like a great drug if you like to take blood work all the time, run anti-estrogens, and use terms like "dialed in"
when you run long long acting test, and it builds up too high and you get estrogen problems, what do you do?
"guys recommend an ai". get to jump on AI and possibly crash your estro
what about if your on prop and you get estrogen problems? adjust the dose, or drop it, boom, your good
how are you going to determine your test levels when they are building up over 4 weeks? or adjust when it takes so long to dick in? with prop, boom, drop it down and re-test the next week
but yeah, just talking out my ass. bodybuilders everywhere are searching for TU, better not tell them we have it here they will be all flooding over to get their hands on it.
sounds like a great drug if you like to take blood work all the time, run anti-estrogens, and use terms like "dialed in"
Rido
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Someone who knows exercise and physiology, you should know what the average bodyfat is 15 percent is leaner than average, even upwards to 20 percent shouldn't result in health issues, but you wouldn't know that.
15 percent isn't lean for someone who is serious in the gym.
Nobody said to run test U for a cycle but for simple trt. I have never said to use it for a cycle. I use it as TRT and slap other esters on top of it.
From your idea of medicine, over general health, and understanding how drug concentration works. It's terrible. You can't even interpret studies and for someone who supposively has 6+ years of college under their belt.
All of your comments on things you do not agree are because you lack the capacity to think more than what's in your little world.
You are just a troll
15 percent isn't lean for someone who is serious in the gym.
Nobody said to run test U for a cycle but for simple trt. I have never said to use it for a cycle. I use it as TRT and slap other esters on top of it.
From your idea of medicine, over general health, and understanding how drug concentration works. It's terrible. You can't even interpret studies and for someone who supposively has 6+ years of college under their belt.
All of your comments on things you do not agree are because you lack the capacity to think more than what's in your little world.
You are just a troll
narta
Member
Test U is probably the best test version you can incorporate for trt protocols.
More difficult to titrate but easier dosing protocol of 10 days/2 weeks (the Nebido 2 months is ridiculous by our standards).
Then if you want to blast, add a shorter easter like prop/en/cyp.
More difficult to titrate but easier dosing protocol of 10 days/2 weeks (the Nebido 2 months is ridiculous by our standards).
Then if you want to blast, add a shorter easter like prop/en/cyp.
hudson98
Banned
hahaha your a clown
1. do you lift, train, diet?
2. haha you bring up my masters degree which I mentioned in other thread once, like "OMG GUYS SOMEONE HAS A MASTERS NO WAY". lol, do you think getting one his hard?
3. even funnier, "as someone who knows exercise and pysiology," g bess what my bachelors is in fattie? yes, the bachelors is what you can get in kinesiology/exercise science then get a real degree as your masters. Where does your "knowledge come from"
4. Your really sensitive over this issue making it personal, I was joking but maybe you are pimping the longgggg esters for $
5. your right I don't know medicine, I don't need it, im lean and do cardio, are you lean and not needing medicine or do you need it?
6. Overall general health? see #5, lets compare who needs medicine to survive me or you?
hudson98
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if you would have clarified this in the beginning maybe I wouldn't have been as harsh and triggered your little hissy fit. then we wouldn't be in this debate. but the genie is out of the bodies so ive already called you a fattie who thinks he's lean because "the average body fat in a society where 40 percent obese is higher than mine"... glad you concede its garbage for a cycle. if I was a TRT dad id stunt run Test E or CYP and inject it multiple times a week for more stable levels.
Rido
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read the thread intro. every time someone talks about Test U, its for TRT.
hudson98
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View: https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/4hm9f2/my_experience_with_14_months_of_testosterone/
here's a thread I found when searching, again, these guys cite the same issues I would have with this. if I was on TRT id still use prop if I could, but would much prefer test E or cyp vs this long ester, having it to build up, and difficulty "dialing in" I put in quotes because I hate that term buy guys who use AAS and the rampant AI obsession of "dialing in" estrogen
and it looks like the doctors serving it up Don't even know what they are talking bout from these comments
Rido
Subscriber
You do realize some doctors office give 200mg of test c every 2 weeks?
We are not shooting up every 10 weeks. I am doing it every week at 2.5x the dose.
I wish you would sit there and think about the half life of the med, dosage, and frequency this patient is getting it at.
If this patient received even 1000mg every 5 weeks, I am sure he would be a lot happier.
I'd rather do weekly injections of test u and then slap on other esters for blasts.
Some of us are better at dialing these substances in.
Use a short ester for the first time to find your sweet spot. Then match active hormone mg of that to the longer ester.
hudson98
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I just find all that to be a headache to be honest, front loading, waiting for it to kick I, adjusting dosage takes forever to kick in, levels get too high need an AI, just doesn't appeal to me one bit and reading that thread others didn't like
Rido
Subscriber
Not everyone knows how to convert drug dosages from fast acting to slow acting I guess.
I am happy where I am at for my trt dosage.
lukiss96
Member
It's not worth it to talk to someone not educated enough on the matter. We know what's wrong here, so we don't need to prove him.
hudson98
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you have to run an ai at the amount of test a girl would take and you like long acting because you don't have to pin and don't want to lose that .001ml or $10 a year because your poor, we git it. yawn
