Opinions on managing e2 on a gram of test.

[Deleted member 59947]

I was talking about people who do a pct and don't inject aromatising hormones.

You seem to have a problem following the conversation.

After their hormones get balanced they stop feeling like shit and have regular estrogen levels EVEN without inj aromatising compounds.

If what you say would be true they would never balance out after using aromasin but they do so you are wrong.

You just deflected the conversation again.

Lack of estrogen can make the brain shrivel up.

I just hope you don't have this.

You know anyone who only did one cycle ?

No, there's always a second, and a third.

Because of the exact reasons I described.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I’ve heard of asin permanently lowering e2, but as far as I know it’s been a low couple individual anecdotes. Not something widespread or said to be objectively true in a measurable and repeatable way. I could be wrong, but that’s my recollection offhand.

If that was the case, then breast cancer patients would have a fixed duration of aromasin. Which they don't.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

it’s been a low couple individual anecdotes. Not something widespread or said to be objectively true in a measurable and repeatable way.

You are not reading the correct forums to appreciate the extent of the issue.

Of course bodybuilding forums won't be representative because :

1) the average steroid user has a very low education level, low self-awareness and low cognition. That's just a basic anthropological observation.
They can't tell how they actually feel, they are just bros living day to day without asking too many questions.

2) the average steroid user always goes back on something, he has no way to tell what's making him feel shitty the few times he is cognizant enough to know he does, there are too many variables at play.

 

[BigTomJ]

We are doomed to be using aromatisable compounds for life after a single use of Aromasin.

this is strictly untrue.

Every single steroid user who goes off feels like shit, not because they are shutdown and lack androgens, but because they don't aromatise enough after using Aromasin.

this is strictly untrue

You just don't realize it until you come off.

we have decades of peoples PCT bloodwork, i think people have a good idea.

What makes you think serum levels are reflective of what happens at the receptor level ?

Post any piece of clinical data suggesting aromasin or any AI for that matter causes ER downregulation. Or even interacts with the ER at all. You realize these medications bind to the aromatase enzyme correct? not the estrogen receptor. you are getting your class of drugs grossly mixed up.

The forums you read may not be appropriate or high level enough to find victims of such a phenomenon.

Try PhoenixRising CFS forum and Propeciahelp forum, it's a whole other level of information on biology in general.

post a link to any thread corroborating your claims instead of pretending to be more informed because you are passively aware of a medical forum.

Everyone WILL get it.

this is strictly untrue

Not everyone will be in enough tune with their body to notice it or able to produce a logical reasoning as to why they feel like shit coming off steroids

Again, decades of bloodwork and clinical data on secondary hypogonadism and its negative effects.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Post any piece of clinical data suggesting aromasin or any AI for that matter causes ER downregulation. Or even interacts with the ER at all. You realize these medications bind to the aromatase enzyme correct? not the estrogen receptor. you are getting your class of drugs grossly mixed up.

Bro, just trust me

 

[effswithtren]

You are not reading the correct forums to appreciate the extent of the issue.

Of course bodybuilding forums won't be representative because :

1) the average steroid user has a very low education level, low self-awareness and low cognition. That's just a basic anthropological observation.
They can't tell how they actually feel, they are just bros living day to day without asking too many questions.

2) the average steroid user always goes back on something, he has no way to tell what's making him feel shitty the few times he is cognizant enough to know he does, there are too many variables at play.

Speak for yourself, I have a terminal degree. And if there is evidence you’re aware of, you’re more than welcome to share with the class instead of ‘just trust me, bro’.

You’re the one making the claim. The onus is on you to provide a basis for it. It’s not up to the audience to vet the things you say, lest they then be deemed true by fiat.

 

[Juicedhead]

I agree with @BigTomJ . I think that if this is a thing its extremely rare. Once the AI is removed e2 will return to normal. Think about it, if this was the case why would anyone ever use an AI? If it permanently stopped e2 conversion then guys would be tanking e2 and would feel like shit if they used it for more than just one time like dude is trying to say. It just doesnt make sense.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

yeah man ive been taking gear for over a decade. I have always done 1mg adex 3x a week on 1 gram. I was seeking more opinions and experiences using aromasin or proviron as I am going to have to use one of those.

You should only be taking an AI when you see sides not having a schedule of when you take it ex: “3x a week”. Keeping estrogen in a good range has a lot of benefits, you shouldn’t be crashing it just to prevent gyno you’re leaving lots of Benifits on the table including size. From my experience, 12.5mg of aromasin combated my gyno flare ups equivalent to 0.5 Arimidex. Not saying they’re equal but blindly experimenting I’ve noticed similar results

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

i’m personally sick of the bitcoin fees and the bitcoin trading platform just shutting down or glitching for days at a time. Really wish western union or even paypal was more widely accepted

You would really enjoy the fees trading etherium then.

 

[iris]

You would really enjoy the fees trading etherium then.

So true. Gas fees are the stuff of nightmares. Or nervous breakdowns.
I understand why people want to use other forms of payment than crypto.
I also find it a pita, to be honest.

 

[Juicedhead]

You should only be taking an AI when you see sides not having a schedule of when you take it ex: “3x a week”. Keeping estrogen in a good range has a lot of benefits, you shouldn’t be crashing it just to prevent gyno you’re leaving lots of Benifits on the table including size. From my experience, 12.5mg of aromasin combated my gyno flare ups equivalent to 0.5 Arimidex. Not saying they’re equal but blindly experimenting I’ve noticed similar results

Yeah I dont like the feeling of having my e2 elevated at all so I always want to keep it in range. I know guys say its ok to have higher e2 on cycle but for me personally I dont like it.

 

[rokkrul3r]

yeah it can be a problem. How often were you injecting? Id be using at least 3mg a week of adex on 1500mg sust.

I just prefer using bitcoin, less fees and you just send the shit from your house instead of having to use a money transfer service, send the money, wait for them to pick up funds, pay a fee to send it. Its just annoying. I used to only use moneygram until everyone started taking bitcoin and bitcoin is so much easier and some guys offer a discount with bitcoin.

injecting monday to saturday, first thing in the morning, drawing and injecting with 27g on alternating VGs

 

[DECLAN]

Yeah I dont like the feeling of having my e2 elevated at all so I always want to keep it in range. I know guys say its ok to have higher e2 on cycle but for me personally I dont like it.

Holy efff, I thought only men who want to transition to become females would want elevated estrogen.

This is the new trend nowadays that I can never follow, why would you ever want to have the estrogen level of your wife, if it’s anabolic then your partner would be carrying more muscle than you already.

 

[Vyvynette]

Id say it will definitely keep you the lower end of the range. Its just a general starting point to get blood work and adjust from there

For me the dosage propose here is right on! 1mg with 1.5g

 

[Eddie.]

injecting monday to saturday, first thing in the morning, drawing and injecting with 27g on alternating VGs

1 inch or half? How much oil volume?

Holy efff, I thought only men who want to transition to become females would want elevated estrogen.

This is the new trend nowadays that I can never follow, why would you ever want to have the estrogen level of your wife, if it’s anabolic then your partner would be carrying more muscle than you already.

Exactly man..you can see what bodytype of men are walking around with high estrogen while natty, they're the chubby ones with fat in midsection or hips. Not the athletic mesomorphs.

 

[rokkrul3r]

1 inch or half? How much oil volume?

1ml of Sustanon 250 every morning injected by a 1ml luer lock syringe with a 27g half inch needle

 

[TUTfan]

Im switching my cycle from 500 test, 500 eq, to just 1000 test. Ran out of eq so just going to go to 1 gram test. Just noticed ive ran out of arimidex. I have aromasin and proviron on hand. Ive never used aromasin to control e2 but I do have some. Curious if anyone can comment on if there is a difference between the two that you noticed and what about proviron for lowering e2 on a lot of test?

I would rater run some Primo or masteron with it rather than an AI. Both steroids are safer than any AI, however you do have to consider hair loss.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I would rater run some Primo or masteron with it rather than an AI. Both steroids are safer than any AI, however you do have to consider hair loss.

Masteron doesn't lower estrogen in my experience

 

[Eddie.]

Masteron doesn't lower estrogen in my experience

It isn't safer than AI either.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

It isn't safer than AI either.

I feel like masteron is the most misunderstood steroid right now