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RandallFlagg said:
K...I'm gonna argue...lol.

I don't know how you can realistically ignore gram positives...I don't think you can have one without the other .

But if we're going "baby steps" and value, your reasoning makes sense with the batch vs. the vial...good point. But man, I don't want it to get lost that just because endotoxin are negative doesn't mean there can't be some bacterial contamination.
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Amen. Amen. Tried to clarify that back here:

readalot

Post in thread 'ATTN: OGs and other well known members. Source talk?'

egruberman said:
The floaters are a red herring. Vials with floaters have proven to be sterile.
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False. One vial was tested for endotoxins and came back below LOD. Still unsure the qualifications of that assay with +/- controls. That is partly my fault for not digging into that deeper.

egruberman said:
It doesn't affect me because I filter all my gear and so should you. Whether or not QSC *should* address it is up to them and their business goals. I hope they will so everyone will shut the fuck up about it.

Which, to be clear, doesn't mean that I don't believe that people shouldn't report it if they...
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I won't argue with you. I agree with you. I was just talking bang for buck as we "baby step" as you say.
 
readalot said:
About to start my first swim with GH. I know we have lots of ages on here. Caught my attention.


Related:

Growth hormone-related intracranial hypertension

Growth hormone-related intracranial hypertension, Ophthalmology Case Reports and Grand Rounds from the University of Iowa Department of Ophthalmology & Visual Sciences
webeye.ophth.uiowa.edu
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Well thats certainly a good read.
Diagnosis:
Growth hormone-related intracranial hypertension

I wonder if anyone on here has had this outcome or perhaps overlooked.
 
readalot said:
About to start my first swim with GH. I know we have lots of ages on here. Caught my attention.


Related:

Growth hormone-related intracranial hypertension

Growth hormone-related intracranial hypertension, Ophthalmology Case Reports and Grand Rounds from the University of Iowa Department of Ophthalmology & Visual Sciences
webeye.ophth.uiowa.edu
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Is it known why for that gentleman that posted about vision problems it has become permanent?
Whilst reading his story, I was hoping to get to the end and find out that all the symptoms had gone, after a little while.
What bad luck
 
dontletheoldmanin said:
Diagnosis:
Growth hormone-related intracranial hypertension
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I don't know what the OP's diagnosis was. Doesn't read like he got one. The link I posted was just one of potentially many case studies that may be instructive.

My takeaway is that as you get older tread carefully. Start very low and titrate cautiously. May sound boring but boring is good and beats the alternative , which is not fun. Yes, I speak from experience.


ETIOLOGY/PATHOPHYSIOLOGY
GH therapy-related IIH is rare and occurs in around 1 out of 1000 patients on GH replacement.
Risk factors include aggressive GH therapy including high dose and rapid initiation of therapy as well as obesity.
Increased incidence in patients with renal failure, Prader Willi syndrome, and Turner syndrome.
GH acts on the choroidal plexus to increase CSF production to cause IIH.
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readalot said:
I don't know what the OP's diagnosis was. Doesn't read like he got one. The link I posted was just one of potentially many case studies that may be instructive.

My takeaway is that as you get older tread carefully. Start very low as titrate cautiously. May sound boring but boring is good and beats the alternative , which is not fun. Yes, I speak from experience.
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Many things here should be approached this way. Just my trt alone raises my rbc, which raises my bp and it puts me more at risk for a number of health concerns such as a stroke. I have a love for anavar, which also shoots my bp up. The key is to know your body and how it reacts to things so you can equip yourself with the knowledge to combat these things. Or you could just quit talking all this stuff but the gainz man.

Can honestly say gh hasn’t effected my bp at all but I could definitely see how it could. I also haven’t taken crazy high doses but I’m sure just as my trt raises my rbc more than it does others, gh could put more water on others than it does me. Too many factors of what could cause water retention, with diet and sodium intake being big players.
 
B Ware said:
Many things here should be approached this way. Just my trt alone raises my rbc, which raises my bp and it puts me more at risk for a number of health concerns such as a stroke. I have a love for anavar, which also shoots my bp up. The key is to know your body and how it reacts to things so you can equip yourself with the knowledge to combat these things. Or you could just quit talking all this stuff but the gainz man.

Can honestly say gh hasn’t effected my bp at all but I could definitely see how it could. I also haven’t taken crazy high doses but I’m sure just as my trt raises my rbc more than it does others, gh could put more water on others than it does me. Too many factors of what could cause water retention, with diet and sodium intake being big players.
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I'll have to find that post by @Iron_Yuppie from years ago when he started taking GH. IIRC he had a scary ride one evening. Hope you are well IY.
 
readalot said:
I'll have to find that post by @Iron_Yuppie from years ago when he started taking GH. IIRC he had a scary ride one evening. Hope you are well IY.
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t-nation.com

HGH: A How-To Guide

Hey since this is the HGH thread I’ll add something fun. So I started GH last week. Took 2iu each morning for three days. On day three my BP exploded. Thought it may be the increased MENT or the GH, so I lowered the MENT and stopped the GH. After a few days I took another GH dose. Bam, BP at...
t-nation.com t-nation.com

Very reasonable starting dose. Boom. Quite an anecdote.
 
readalot said:
t-nation.com

HGH: A How-To Guide

Hey since this is the HGH thread I’ll add something fun. So I started GH last week. Took 2iu each morning for three days. On day three my BP exploded. Thought it may be the increased MENT or the GH, so I lowered the MENT and stopped the GH. After a few days I took another GH dose. Bam, BP at...
t-nation.com t-nation.com

Very reasonable starting dose. Boom. Quite an anecdote.
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When I upped my Gh dose from 3 per day to 5iu split am/pm
My bp shot up mad fast, lowered it down to 4iu split am/pm something.
Finally I settle at 3iu before bed, but for my own safety i felt 2iu before bed was the best option.
 
dontletheoldmanin said:
When I upped my Gh dose from 3 per day to 5iu split am/pm
My bp shot up mad fast, lowered it down to 4iu split am/pm something.
Finally I settle at 3iu before bed, but for my own safety i felt 2iu before bed was the best option.
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As someone who was awakened at 2:30 am with an event that got my attention real quick, I completely empathize with and understand your position here. It can get real, real quick.
 
As with everything else, everyone responds differently. GH does nothing to my BP (I always use less than 3 iu) nor does Test C at TRT or "TRT+". Deca elevates it at my personal "tendon therapeutic dose" of 50mg per week as does Anavar at 25mg per day. Heck, Creatine at 2.5 grams per day does nothing to BP but 5 grams per day adds 5-8 lbs of water to my body along with a BP increase.

Get to know your own body, monitor closely and adjust, using minimum effective dose, based on your goals and risk level. Same advice for any PED.
 
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