Organon Sust Pics. Questionable??

[coco7686]

You have the first step correct - labmax but like I said in my post.. You need to blood test in order to find out the true hormone amount. Since you have done a cycle before.. You have SOMEWHAT of a baseline created.

As for what wunder puss said, it's very true for a pharma company to NOT deliver an amp outside of their "standards" for transportation. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean the oharma conpanies trash the bad looking amps.

Just like how McDonald's sells their scraps and left over oil from the fryers to diesel companies.. The pharma companies like karachi could outsource the weird distorted amps for a reduced mark up for people like us.

I'm just speculating but I'm sure their are distorted REAL karachis out there that have been sold by the company itself

so if i want to test 2 different amps for the 2 different batches i have i need to order 2 of the test kits correct? Not the full kit meaning 17.00 vials. I am very curious to see what @naps or @Naps-Support has to say on these different vials. I know they will say they can deform when heated together but this case is different. I am pretty aggravated at this point. I guess ill order a labmax then try them if hormone is present. But they should definitely chime in. It Makes me not want to take it...but

 

[Wunderpus]

so if i want to test 2 different amps for the 2 different batches i have i need to order 2 of the test kits correct? Not the full kit meaning 17.00 vials. I am very curious to see what @naps or @Naps-Support has to say on these different vials. I know they will say they can deform when heated together but this case is different. I am pretty aggravated at this point. I guess ill order a labmax then try them if hormone is present. But they should definitely chime in. It Makes me not want to take it...but

Too bad these didn't come from Darius... He'd pay for your labmax kits (not that he sells these amps anyway).

Sometimes going with a trusted UGL is best my friend. Trying to find legit pharma is sometimes more work than it's worth.

 

[Skywalker]

so if i want to test 2 different amps for the 2 different batches i have i need to order 2 of the test kits correct? Not the full kit meaning 17.00 vials. I am very curious to see what @naps or @Naps-Support has to say on these different vials. I know they will say they can deform when heated together but this case is different. I am pretty aggravated at this point. I guess ill order a labmax then try them if hormone is present. But they should definitely chime in. It Makes me not want to take it...but

Ya get two labmaxes if your doing two different vials.

I think people are so ready for bad results now a days.. People really need to have more faith - didn't know getting gear needed to be so upsetting/depressing.

I stay as optimistic as possible, but again.. This doesn't mean be ignorant and not test it and do the things you feel necessary to keep you safe ... (I.e. .22 wmf .20um, lab screening, labmax, etc.) but trashing these simply because the amps are a little different in size seems naieve and a waste of money.

 

[Wunderpus]

Ya get two labmaxes if your doing two different vials.

I think people are so ready for bad results now a days.. People really need to have more faith - didn't know getting gear needed to be so upsetting/depressing.

I stay as optimistic as possible, but again.. This doesn't mean be ignorant and not test it and do the things you feel necessary to keep you safe ... (I.e. .22 wmf .20um, lab screening, labmax, etc.) but trashing these simply because the amps are a little different in size seems naieve and a waste of money.

Always doubt the source, always. If we are optimistic, we will be tricked.

Testing them is the best idea, sure.

 

[Skywalker]

Of course, doubts are important. But when all you do is doubt.. It becomes more of a problem then a benefit.

A life full of doubts is a life of sorrow in my opinion. Regardless of this philosophy, infections are real... That's why you simply test it and if you don't have a billion dollars to spend (none of us do) then use at your own will.

Shit.. I've heard some people on here pinning stuff that failed the labmaxxes HORRIBLY (color AND glow) and still had the nerve to pin it.. I believe that is over optimisic, just like being over pessimistic, they both are negative.

 

[coco7686]

Of course, doubts are important. But when all you do is doubt.. It becomes more of a problem then a benefit.

A life full of doubts is a life of sorrow in my opinion. Regardless of this philosophy, infections are real... That's why you simply test it and if you don't have a billion dollars to spend (none of us do) then use at your own will.

Shit.. I've heard some people on here pinning stuff that failed the labmaxxes HORRIBLY (color AND glow) and still had the nerve to pin it.. I believe that is over optimisic, just like being over pessimistic, they both are negative.

i agree with you here. Not saying they are fake or im not gonna pin and get bloods. Just wanted to ease my mind a little and get peoples opinions. Even with labmax it only shows that hormone is present, not correct dosage. So in terms i could get LM and it could be pass but only have 40mg active ingredient. The only true test is blood test correct?

 

[Skywalker]

Not correct, blood test is the CHEAPEST and most available to use to see how potent your gear is..

Regardless of how you test your gear, labmax, MS, etc. you should always get bloods before, during, and after.. You want to see how your blood levels are regardless if your gear is pharma grade from the doctor.

Blood test will show your baseline and potency of gear. You my friend should read the steroid testing section!

 

[naps]

I've noticed the Karachi Sustanon and Testoviron amps shape may change in the same way. This started happening a few years ago. I have a feeling they are using the same amp moulds since they are basically the same company and probably share the same production facility.

By the way, nice read from wikipedia:

Organon was a human pharmaceutical company headquartered in Oss, Netherlands. In November 2007, Schering-Plough Corporation, based in New Jersey, USA, acquired Organon, active pharmaceutical ingredient producer Diosynth (separate from Organon until 2004),[1] and its veterinary pharmaceutical sister company Intervet from Akzo Nobel... In November 2009, Schering-Plough merged with Merck & Co. under the name Merck & Co., known as Merck Sharp & Dohme or MSD outside the United States and Canada.[3]Organon deals in the following core therapeutic fields: reproductive medicine, contraception, psychiatry, HRT and anesthesia.

Organon sells to international markets. In Oct. 16, 2014 USA government charged this drug manufacturer due to improper financial incentives (kicksbacks) to nursing homes for market-shares discounts to encourage the use of Remeron and also for misrepresentation of drug prices. Organon paid 622,350 in restitution for Federal Anti-Kickback Statute.

This is for the guys asking why this company is manufacturing and shipping from Karachi, Pakistan. Less regulations is the simple answer. Probably the biggest AAS dealer that is and will remain untouchable.

 

[Skywalker]

Damn, Merck & co is just buying everyone up. They are definitely trying to get a solid gear line up.. That's for sure.

 

[coco7686]

I've noticed the Karachi Sustanon and Testoviron amps shape may change in the same way. This started happening a few years ago. I have a feeling they are using the same amp moulds since they are basically the same company and probably share the same production facility.

By the way, nice read from wikipedia:





This is for the guys asking why this company is manufacturing and shipping from Karachi, Pakistan. Less regulations is the simple answer. Probably the biggest AAS dealer that is and will remain untouchable.

@naps i understand that they changed shape or w.e but they arent even close to testoviron amps. I have both and i can take a picture of both batchs along with some testoviron. I just dont see how a batch can have that many heights esp that noticable. But can you explain why batch 0434 has different height bottles. I mean theres just not 1 or 2 different heights. Even Batch 0433 is slightly different.

 

[Oregongearhead]

@naps i understand that they changed shape or w.e but they arent even close to testoviron amps. I have both and i can take a picture of both batchs along with some testoviron. I just dont see how a batch can have that many heights esp that noticable. But can you explain why batch 0434 has different height bottles. I mean theres just not 1 or 2 different heights. Even Batch 0433 is slightly different.

Have you ever seen a ampule making machine ? Because of variations in air temp and variations in glass-melting , the amps dont all come out the same or the same height . Ask anyone thats had dozens of pharma amps and they will tell you they varie in appearance ....this machine looks for defects and ejects them ~Ogh

 

[BigDave]

I will double check when I get home, but I ran a batch over winter & believe they were 0434. Was running 1 Amp EOD, which I believe is 583mg/wk. I have labmaxed a lot of Sust, & they looked perfect. I posted a side by side labmax video of these with Sust from a rediject, & they matched. Video is in Lab section posted 4 or 5 months ago. I got bloods done towards the end of my cycle and didn't get a chance to post yet, but I was at 3400 on 583mg/wk. everyone talks about 7-10x, but for me this is in line with what I get on my TRT dose from the pharmacy. I got mass spec done on them, & a member that reviewed didn't feel the methodology used to test was up to snuff because tech didn't use an actual standard to compare. That being said, results did show all the proper esters, but I don't know how much faith I would put in this. In my opinion, they were legit, but that's just my opinion. I will confirm the batch. Good luck.

 

[coco7686]

I will double check when I get home, but I ran a batch over winter & believe they were 0434. Was running 1 Amp EOD, which I believe is 583mg/wk. I have labmaxed a lot of Sust, & they looked perfect. I posted a side by side labmax video of these with Sust from a rediject, & they matched. Video is in Lab section posted 4 or 5 months ago. I got bloods done towards the end of my cycle and didn't get a chance to post yet, but I was at 3400 on 583mg/wk. everyone talks about 7-10x, but for me this is in line with what I get on my TRT dose from the pharmacy. I got mass spec done on them, & a member that reviewed didn't feel the methodology used to test was up to snuff because tech didn't use an actual standard to compare. That being said, results did show all the proper esters, but I don't know how much faith I would put in this. In my opinion, they were legit, but that's just my opinion. I will confirm the batch. Good luck.

thank you for the imput. If you ran 1 ml eod i believe that would be around 750mg a week if you do it monday wed fri. ill most likely lab max them and then get bloods. I am hoping if i take 500mg a week it puts me at 3500 i would be happy with that.

 

[BigDave]

thank you for the imput. If you ran 1 ml eod i believe that would be around 750mg a week if you do it monday wed fri. ill most likely lab max them and then get bloods. I am hoping if i take 500mg a week it puts me at 3500 i would be happy with that.

I am obviously not a "mathmescientist" LOL.... That was supposed to say E3D not EOD. Sorry for confusion. Anyway, E3D equates to 583mg/wk. Double checked bloods (done in line w/ protocol other than being slightly late cycle...9 weeks), & was 3400. Equates to 5.83X. Some might say this is low, but I think this depends a lot on the individual. I am almost always ~6x on my Cyp from Walgreens. The batch was 0434. Again... I don't trust anyone & just because the batch is the same I wouldn't go on that alone, but in this case I would feel comfy (but that's just me).
Link to Labmax I did on Karachi 0434. Second video in thread is of Organon Nile Sust and Organon Mexico Redijects so you can compare.


https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/labmax-video-of-naps-organon-karachi-sustanon.134361893/

 

[BigDave]

thank you for the imput. If you ran 1 ml eod i believe that would be around 750mg a week if you do it monday wed fri. ill most likely lab max them and then get bloods. I am hoping if i take 500mg a week it puts me at 3500 i would be happy with that.

Also... I want to make it clear that I am only referring to batch 0434, which is what I received from same source in the same timeframe you ordered. I have labmaxed legit and bunk Karachi's, & legit amps were always the slightly taller and somewhat unique shape of the 0434 batch you show in your pic. Have tested 2 bunk examples (different source), & they were both the shorter more traditional shape amps. That could have been coincidence, but was the case. If I were you I would Labmax a couple samples from each batch #. I know it is not cheap, but neither is a trip to Doc. Sust has a very unique yellow fluorescence due to the multiple esters. It's not really close in color to any other compound if I recall. Would seem like a lot of work to make knockoffs and add 5 different esters in correct proportions to get the correct Labmax result, so if I get the correct color w/ Sust and all the other evidence looks right... I assume it is legit. Good Luck

 

[coco7686]

Also... I want to make it clear that I am only referring to batch 0434, which is what I received from same source in the same timeframe you ordered. I have labmaxed legit and bunk Karachi's, & legit amps were always the slightly taller and somewhat unique shape of the 0434 batch you show in your pic. Have tested 2 bunk examples (different source), & they were both the shorter more traditional shape amps. That could have been coincidence, but was the case. If I were you I would Labmax a couple samples from each batch #. I know it is not cheap, but neither is a trip to Doc. Sust has a very unique yellow fluorescence due to the multiple esters. It's not really close in color to any other compound if I recall. Would seem like a lot of work to make knockoffs and add 5 different esters in correct proportions to get the correct Labmax result, so if I get the correct color w/ Sust and all the other evidence looks right... I assume it is legit. Good Luck

thank you for all you for all your info. I seen on eroids recently someone running 750 mg per week getting levels of around 3500