PCT HELP??

[sionnach]

Also you not thought of trt with hcg? Ive heard some people having kids while on still, regan grimes had a kid aswell and hes huge,wonder if he used hcg the whole time though

I know lots of bros who had kids on 1g+ blasts, no hcg. Everyone's different.

 

[VIncentt3q]

Also you not thought of trt with hcg? Ive heard some people having kids while on still, regan grimes had a kid aswell and hes huge,wonder if he used hcg the whole time though

Of course, I even have enough HCG at home for a year but my gf doesnt like the idea that much and somehow there is still something in me that wants to know if I will be happy without it and I will just see how things go. And if I want to hop back on, I can do that anytime

 

[ZKJ]

I know lots of bros who had kids on 1g+ blasts, no hcg. Everyone's different.

Yeah definitely, that's why there's a little part of me wondering if I would recover quick (probably not)

 

[ZKJ]

Of course, I even have enough HCG at home for a year but my gf doesnt like the idea that much and somehow there is still something in me that wants to know if I will be happy without it and I will just see how things go. And if I want to hop back on, I can do that anytime

Oh ok, yeah I get that, good luck hopefully you recover and feel good enough

 

[eryximachus]

Also you not thought of trt with hcg? Ive heard some people having kids while on still, regan grimes had a kid aswell and hes huge,wonder if he used hcg the whole time though

HMG usually works better as it mimics both FSH and LH. HCG is LH only.

 

[Tr3nbal0n3]

This is exactly what you need to do.
HCG should have been used on cycle, Recovery would have been much easier if you used it the whole way through your blasting and cruising and didn’t let your balls shrink to the size of marbles. They shouldn’t really be used during PCT because itll suppress LH. Which is the opposite of what you want the PCT drugs to do. But in your case you’ve been on test for so long your completely shut down.
So I would blast the fuck out of HCG, 2000 - 3000 iu per week, if you’re not getting any estrogen sides from that, then scale it up even higher. Keep using it for a few months till your balls return to size they once were before you started using gear.

Don’t use Clomid, use (Enclomiphine) instead..
clomid is garbage, Enclomiphine is amazing.

- Blast HCG + Nolvadex + Enclomiphine
Eventually come off HCG and Nolva
Stay on Enclomiphine for a year straight.

You’ll be alright. I’ve had friends recover after many years of absolutely cranking the fuck out of Tren and deca.

 

[ZKJ]

This is exactly what you need to do.
HCG should have been used on cycle, Recovery would have been much easier if you used it the whole way through your blasting and cruising and didn’t let your balls shrink to the size of marbles. They shouldn’t really be used during PCT because itll suppress LH. Which is the opposite of what you want the PCT drugs to do. But in your case you’ve been on test for so long your completely shut down.
So I would blast the fuck out of HCG, 2000 - 3000 iu per week, if you’re not getting any estrogen sides from that, then scale it up even higher. Keep using it for a few months till your balls return to size they once were before you started using gear.

Don’t use Clomid, use (Enclomiphine) instead..
clomid is garbage, Enclomiphine is amazing.

- Blast HCG + Nolvadex + Enclomiphine
Eventually come off HCG and Nolva
Stay on Enclomiphine for a year straight.

You’ll be alright. I’ve had friends recover after many years of absolutely cranking the fuck out of Tren and deca.

Cheers man, maybe I need to get some enclomipihine instead then, one but im confused though is you said don't use hcg during pct because it will stop the pct drugs but you also said blast hcg+nolva+enclomiphine wouldn't the hcg stop them drugs working?

Thanks

 

[Tr3nbal0n3]

Cheers man, maybe I need to get some enclomipihine instead then, one but im confused though is you said don't use hcg during pct because it will stop the pct drugs but you also said blast hcg+nolva+enclomiphine wouldn't the hcg stop them drugs working?

Thanks

HCG is synthetic LH, so while it stimulates the balls to produce testosterone, it simultaneously suppresses your body’s own LH production.
This makes it counterintuitive to use as the primary drug during PCT, The point of PCT is to restore natural production by increasing LH and FSH, not replacing them with a synthetic version that lowers natural output once discontinued.
A natural who starts using HCG only will often end up with lower testosterone levels than they had before starting, since their LH is suppressed by the exogenous signal. That being said, For someone lightly suppressed, PCT drugs like Enclo and Nolvadex are more than effective.
In your case, you been shut down for many years, a much more aggressive PCT is needed to restart natural testosterone production.
Enclo & Nolvadex will work much faster if your balls go back to the size they were before you started using gear. Thats why people use HCG the whole time on cycle. It keeps your balls heavy.

Your balls will grow pretty fucking quick on HCG and when you restore them back to what they were with HCG. It will be easier to get them functioning, producing their own LH and FSH again. Which is why I’m saying use HCG during the first 2 or 3 months of PCT. While simultaneously using Nolva and Enclo. Enclo will work much faster if you get your balls functioning again. When you stop using the HCG after recovering the size of your balls, continue using Enclomiphine, because keep in mind your balls size will be recovered but LH will be suppressed from the HCG. Enclomiphine will bring your LH back up.

Worst comes to worse, Triptorelin is the most powerful drug you can use to restart natural production. Most people don’t know about this, but 1 injection and your levels bounce back. Do your research on it.. I know guys who absolutely abused Tren, Deca, Superdrol & Ment for many years and restarted their natural production. You’ll be alright. Even if you don’t fully recover your levels. Take low dose Enclomiphine a few times per week and you’ll be fine bro.

 

[sionnach]

Triptorelin

I've heard some horror stories too. Do your research before trying.

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Thread 'Triptorelin messed me up. Help Needed'

Jul 17, 2025

Hey guys, currently 29 years old. I was on gear, just testosterone from 2018-2019. PCTed during covid in 2020 with clomid, and took some letro as my e2 got high.

Things were going decent and I decided to take 100mcg of a non-pharmaceutical version of triptorelin to finish off the pct. After this injection my health has not been the same since. I developed a wave of strange symptoms that have persisted to this day.

My symptoms:

• Severe fatigue and muscle weakness
• Burning in hands and feet
• Excessive weight gain
• Exercise intolerance ( my muscles literally shake and burn when...

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[ZKJ]

HCG is synthetic LH, so while it stimulates the balls to produce testosterone, it simultaneously suppresses your body’s own LH production.
This makes it counterintuitive to use as the primary drug during PCT, The point of PCT is to restore natural production by increasing LH and FSH, not replacing them with a synthetic version that lowers natural output once discontinued.
A natural who starts using HCG only will often end up with lower testosterone levels than they had before starting, since their LH is suppressed by the exogenous signal. That being said, For someone lightly suppressed, PCT drugs like Enclo and Nolvadex are more than effective.
In your case, you been shut down for many years, a much more aggressive PCT is needed to restart natural testosterone production.
Enclo & Nolvadex will work much faster if your balls go back to the size they were before you started using gear. Thats why people use HCG the whole time on cycle. It keeps your balls heavy.

Your balls will grow pretty fucking quick on HCG and when you restore them back to what they were with HCG. It will be easier to get them functioning, producing their own LH and FSH again. Which is why I’m saying use HCG during the first 2 or 3 months of PCT. While simultaneously using Nolva and Enclo. Enclo will work much faster if you get your balls functioning again. When you stop using the HCG after recovering the size of your balls, continue using Enclomiphine, because keep in mind your balls size will be recovered but LH will be suppressed from the HCG. Enclomiphine will bring your LH back up.

Worst comes to worse, Triptorelin is the most powerful drug you can use to restart natural production. Most people don’t know about this, but 1 injection and your levels bounce back. Do your research on it.. I know guys who absolutely abused Tren, Deca, Superdrol & Ment for many years and restarted their natural production. You’ll be alright. Even if you don’t fully recover your levels. Take low dose Enclomiphine a few times per week and you’ll be fine bro.

Cheers I appreciate the input, I have used hcg abit before to try and wake em up abit just to stop the shrinkage but it never did much, maybe I didn't use enough.

I actually have some triptorelin aswell but also abit worried to use it as its what they use to chemically castrate someone, I know its high doses of it but still scary

 

[ZKJ]

HCG is synthetic LH, so while it stimulates the balls to produce testosterone, it simultaneously suppresses your body’s own LH production.
This makes it counterintuitive to use as the primary drug during PCT, The point of PCT is to restore natural production by increasing LH and FSH, not replacing them with a synthetic version that lowers natural output once discontinued.
A natural who starts using HCG only will often end up with lower testosterone levels than they had before starting, since their LH is suppressed by the exogenous signal. That being said, For someone lightly suppressed, PCT drugs like Enclo and Nolvadex are more than effective.
In your case, you been shut down for many years, a much more aggressive PCT is needed to restart natural testosterone production.
Enclo & Nolvadex will work much faster if your balls go back to the size they were before you started using gear. Thats why people use HCG the whole time on cycle. It keeps your balls heavy.

Your balls will grow pretty fucking quick on HCG and when you restore them back to what they were with HCG. It will be easier to get them functioning, producing their own LH and FSH again. Which is why I’m saying use HCG during the first 2 or 3 months of PCT. While simultaneously using Nolva and Enclo. Enclo will work much faster if you get your balls functioning again. When you stop using the HCG after recovering the size of your balls, continue using Enclomiphine, because keep in mind your balls size will be recovered but LH will be suppressed from the HCG. Enclomiphine will bring your LH back up.

Worst comes to worse, Triptorelin is the most powerful drug you can use to restart natural production. Most people don’t know about this, but 1 injection and your levels bounce back. Do your research on it.. I know guys who absolutely abused Tren, Deca, Superdrol & Ment for many years and restarted their natural production. You’ll be alright. Even if you don’t fully recover your levels. Take low dose Enclomiphine a few times per week and you’ll be fine bro.

Is enclomiphene legal to buy? I'm seeing it in. Capsule and dropper form from normall shops but is this just garbage fake test boosters? As I've seen it on my site where I buy raws, basically do you have to buy from same place/people you get your gear from?

 

[sionnach]

Legal

 

[ZKJ]

Real helpfull response

 

[ZKJ]

Looks like its legal but you need a prescription so all the high street capsule shit must be not the legit stuff

 

[Type-IIx]

Hey im going to try come off after around 7 years blasting and cruising, I've not used crazy doses, the most test was 750mg a week.

I've also cruised alot at 150-170mg a week, im going to cruise for a around 2 months before stopping to hopefully help, the main bit now is having a pct plan. I'm thinking of using Dr scallys pct which is

hCG: 2000 IU is administered every other day for 20 days.
Tamoxifen (Nolvadex): 2 x 20 mg for 45 days
Clomiphene (Clomid): 2 x 50 mg for 30 days

It doesn't state when to use the hcg, am I right in thinking start hcg as soon as I stop pinning test, maybe even before if I have enough (I have 30,000iu of hcg I think, plain vials no labels but pretty sure they where 5000iu each)
Some say 500iu eod then 1000 but he says 2000 eod?
And am I right that I stop the hcg the same time as i start taking the clomid and nolva, should I stop a couple days before or the day of the pct?

Also do I use arimidex whipe on the hcg and when to stop the ai before pct?

Sorry if its all been answered before I've been looking but all I see is different answers so I thought I'll post here as i trust this forum and if it see the same answers I know I can trust that pct.

Thanks for any help

Best help I can give is to rely on hCG and hMG for LH & FSH stimulation rather than SERMs or AIs that increase T and negatively regulate T biosynthesis

 

[ZKJ]

Best help I can give is to rely on hCG and hMG for LH & FSH stimulation rather than SERMs or AIs that increase T and negatively regulate T biosynthesis

Cheers, so many people say different things its hard to know what to do, some say use nolva clomid, others say there shit, then there's people saying don't use anything, I suppose asking a random forum full of bros will get different responses, not really sure what im going to use probably just blast hcg then use nolva and clomid (maybe nolva and enclomiphene) thanks though

 

[sionnach]

Real helpfull response

Bro, it was a hilarious question considering the site you're on.

 

[Tr3nbal0n3]

Cheers, so many people say different things its hard to know what to do, some say use nolva clomid, others say there shit, then there's people saying don't use anything, I suppose asking a random forum full of bros will get different responses, not really sure what im going to use probably just blast hcg then use nolva and clomid (maybe nolva and enclomiphene) thanks though

Well the only ones wrong are the ones saying don’t PCT at all lol.
Anything you do will help. Clomid, Enclo, Nolva or HCG. it will all help your body start producing testosterone naturally. My advice is just be aggressive with your PCT and run enclo for a year. Throw in some Zinc, magnesium, D3, Fish oil.

But yeah, definitely research about Triptorelin, my friend swears by Triptorelin, Then again there’s others that say it gave them some issues.

 

[ZKJ]

Bro, it was a hilarious question considering the site you're on.

Some stuff you need doesn't need a prescription, plus its new to me and I haven't heard of it, i dont spend much time on here, before now i wasnt thinking of coming off so had no need to know about new pct drugs, and there's loads of shops selling it here, like if I look up clomid or nolva there ain't no shops selling it.

 

[ZKJ]

Well the only ones wrong are the ones saying don’t PCT at all lol.
Anything you do will help. Clomid, Enclo, Nolva or HCG. it will all help your body start producing testosterone naturally. My advice is just be aggressive with your PCT and run enclo for a year. Throw in some Zinc, magnesium, D3, Fish oil.

But yeah, definitely research about Triptorelin, my friend swears by Triptorelin, Then again there’s others that say it gave them some issues.

Cheers man, is running enclo for a year safe? I was gonna get some d3 and magnesium aswell.