pct success @ 51 Y old !!!

[ManK]

for the third time, in advanced age, i re gained my natural TT levels…
first time after 2,5 years of blast an cruise (i used 16 week to recover)
second time after 2 exact years of blast and cruise… (used 14 weeks)
hird time after exact 1 year of blast and cruise (used 11weeks).
This post for all tpeople that write: “after. 40 years old is better go oon trt”.
Trt is needed when testes DIE.

 

[Shadow Project]

More info like any bloodwork to confirm this? PCT protocol used etc.

 

[Trapjunky]

pct protocol?

 

[Country Club Hero]

pct protocol?

Yeah that would have been helpful to include in the initial post lol

 

[TrenTrenTren]

My testes died already

 

[ManK]

blood test results:

first recovery: tt @400 at the end pct and 489 1 month later
second recovery tt @438 at the end pct and 478 1,5 months later
third recovery tt @640 at the end pct and i must make second lab test after 2 months (next week).

pct protocol always the same:

a) hcg DURING "always": on cycle or on cruising (trt) 2x400 or 2x500 each week
b) after end cycle or end cruising (trt) 1000 ui hcg each 3 days for the necessary time to make totally exit exogenous aas from blood:
if after trt (first and second recovery) just 2/3 weeks, if after cycle 5/6. weeks
c) since last week of hcg start clomid 50 mg days for the necessary time to obtain normal LH and TT value :
first recovery clomid for 9 weeks
second recovery for 8 weeks
third recovery 5.5 weeks

 

[Megadick3000]

How about retention of cycle progress gains?

How much weight did you drop from final days of cycles verse follow up post-PCT bloodwork? Do you feel it was just water/glycogen loss? How was strength retention?

 

[ManK]

progress

How about retention of cycle progress gains?

How much weight did you drop from final days of cycles verse follow up post-PCT bloodwork? Do you feel it was just water/glycogen loss? How was strength retention?

So I used to alternate cycles with real replacement therapy, not what bodybuilders improperly call replacement therapy while in reality it is a bridge (200mg week and more...) . The real replacement therapy was calibrated in order to give me total physiological testosterone values, i.e. within the reference range, preferably above half but not at the maximum of reference range. Obviously, after each cycle, progress gradually decreases. I don't notice any difference between (true) replacement therapy and pct in the rate at which progress goes away. On the other hand, I recover acceptable hematocrit values much earlier.

 

[Misterfister]

Nice, did you check the free test levels? How is libido? Have you implemented any OTC or natural test boosters?

I appreciate how you have gathered bloods at the 5 month mark to ensure accuracy of recovery. Most people don’t realize that Clomid having a 5-6 day half life elimination period equates to active levels of Clomid being in the body for nearly 2 months when using even just 2 weeks at 50mg per day, which I think is an unnecessary amount but I digress, as I have less anecdotal evidence on this topic from personal experience. I know it can be side effecty, and as with anything we know potent you and quality varies greatly among products - but I think even 50mg weekly is an effective protocol, and helps to mitigate typical sides.

 

[Misterfister]

What are your thoughts on leydig cell degradation from HCG overuse?

 

[Misterfister]

How about retention of cycle progress gains?

How much weight did you drop from final days of cycles verse follow up post-PCT bloodwork? Do you feel it was just water/glycogen loss? How was strength retention?

I second this questioning of events.

How has strength held up?

 

[ManK]

What are your thoughts on leydig cell degradation from HCG overuse?

I dont think hcg at low dose is an overuse:
i used foryear by endocrinologist to try to make child and at higher dose: 2x400/500 ui week is a low dose in my opinion.

 

[ManK]

I second this questioning of events.

How has strength held up?

well.
strenght is a neural ability and also an effect of higher hipertrophy level, but primarily is a neural ability.
So in my opinion and in my experience strenght levels decreases less than hypertrophy on cessation of use of aas: it is easier to maintain a percentage of strength rather than hypertrophy.
Of course decrease also strenght but not so much as hipertrophy

 

[ManK]

Nice, did you check the free test levels? How is libido? Have you implemented any OTC or natural test boosters?

I appreciate how you have gathered bloods at the 5 month mark to ensure accuracy of recovery. Most people don’t realize that Clomid having a 5-6 day half life elimination period equates to active levels of Clomid being in the body for nearly 2 months when using even just 2 weeks at 50mg per day, which I think is an unnecessary amount but I digress, as I have less anecdotal evidence on this topic from personal experience. I know it can be side effecty, and as with anything we know potent you and quality varies greatly among products - but I think even 50mg weekly is an effective protocol, and helps to mitigate typical sides.

i always test levels after at least 1 month since clomid cessation.

 

[Misterfister]

My stremgth

well.
strenght is a neural ability and also an effect of higher hipertrophy level, but primarily is a neural ability.
So in my opinion and in my experience strenght levels decreases less than hypertrophy on cessation of use of aas: it is easier to maintain a percentage of strength rather than hypertrophy.
Of course decrease also strenght but not so much as hipertrophy

i agree, my strength is dipping now at the 5 week mark off injectables, especially in regards to reps

I’m thinking about adding back in some testosterone at 200-400mg. Contemplating hard here though.