Peach oil (test e) vs Castor oil(test undecanoate) metabolization

[white couch]

Losing my mind trying to find any study in which I can see how long it takes for test e peach oil to metabolize

I aromatize a lot on MCT test e and don't want to go daily sub q, I'd rather keep going for 3 pins/week. Don't see a point in doing enanthate either if it is in MCT, I think the long ester just goes to waste.

Which leaves me with trying balkan undecanoate (in castor oil), and raise the dosage due to the ester weight, or try their peach test e. Too poor for testoviron bayer

Anyone got any info about the peach oil in enanthate ester?

thanks!

 

[BigNoOne]

Losing my mind trying to find any study in which I can see how long it takes for test e peach oil to metabolize

I aromatize a lot on MCT test e and don't want to go daily sub q, I'd rather keep going for 3 pins/week. Don't see a point in doing enanthate either if it is in MCT, I think the long ester just goes to waste.

Which leaves me with trying balkan undecanoate (in castor oil), and raise the dosage due to the ester weight, or try their peach test e. Too poor for testoviron bayer

Anyone got any info about the peach oil in enanthate ester?

thanks!

You only aromatize the testosterone molecule once the ester has been cleaved. The oil will slow that down a little but it’s not substantially changing it since you have continuous release from the oil over the 2-days since the last pin. SubQ is useless. Biggest load of shit sold to the TRT community because of the stigma that comes with big scary needles.

 

[white couch]

You only aromatize the testosterone molecule once the ester has been cleaved. The oil will slow that down a little but it’s not substantially changing it since you have continuous release from the oil over the 2-days since the last pin. SubQ is useless. Biggest load of shit sold to the TRT community because of the stigma that comes with big scary needles.

I was looking at this study Sci-Hub | Intramuscular injection of testosterone undecanoate for the treatment of male hypogonadism: phase I studies. European Journal of Endocrinology, 140(5), 414–419 | 10.1530/eje.0.1400414

Reading on the half life difference between test undecanoate in castor oil vs in tea seed oil, it seemed quite significant

No idea how test e would do in peach (vs mct, gso, cso); would you say it is not that big? If it's a continuous release from the oil (over 2 days since last pin in my case), shouldn't it still be noticeably slower with a thicker oil?

I only do IM pins anyway, i keep subq just for hcg and some occasional bpc157/tb500

 

[narta]

The oil will slow that down a little but it’s not substantially changing it

TU in Tea tree oil vs castor oil is 21 to 34 days. So yeah, it is substantial

 

[BigNoOne]

I was looking at this study Sci-Hub | Intramuscular injection of testosterone undecanoate for the treatment of male hypogonadism: phase I studies. European Journal of Endocrinology, 140(5), 414–419 | 10.1530/eje.0.1400414

Reading on the half life difference between test undecanoate in castor oil vs in tea seed oil, it seemed quite significant

No idea how test e would do in peach (vs mct, gso, cso); would you say it is not that big? If it's a continuous release from the oil (over 2 days since last pin in my case), shouldn't it still be noticeably slower with a thicker oil?

I only do IM pins anyway, i keep subq just for hcg and some occasional bpc157/tb500

TU in Tea tree oil vs castor oil is 21 to 34 days. So yeah, it is substantial

It’s not substantial from a practical standpoint. From Day 1 to 21/34 days, sure. But past that and injecting the same amount every 2 days, it’s not a substantial difference due to the OVERLAP in the injections. Stable serum blood levels is the same… stable.

 

[narta]

It’s not substantial from a practical standpoint. From Day 1 to 21/34 days, sure. But past that and injecting the same amount every 2 days, it’s not a substantial difference due to the OVERLAP in the injections. Stable serum blood levels is the same… stable.

Why would you inject every 2 days. The undecanoate ester has been used in order to minimize injections.

 

[B Ware]

^^^ what he said. Why on earth would you inject it every 2 days?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

^^^ what he said. Why on earth would you inject it every 2 days?

Foreal. Hourly is best

 

[AlexDavis43]

TU in Tea tree oil vs castor oil is 21 to 34 days. So yeah, it is substantial

^^^ what he said. Why on earth would you inject it every 2 days?

Assuming everyone here is injecting at least once weekly. Still should be for Test U (which is not my favorite unless you're only goal is reducing injection frequency).

 

[BigNoOne]

Why would you inject every 2 days. The undecanoate ester has been used in order to minimize injections.

^^^ what he said. Why on earth would you inject it every 2 days?

I wouldn’t. The OP indicated he wanted to continue to inject that way.

But even if you inject once a week, the type of oil wouldn’t matter due to the overlap of the injections.

 

[narta]

don't want to go daily sub q, I'd rather keep going for 3 pins/week.

The OP indicated he wanted to continue to inject that way.

Not exactly what he said, he doesn't want to go MORE than 3x week, so 1x week would be better for sure.

As for the overlap, you really can't comprehend the difference between depot time to go into circulation and ester cleaving.

 

[white couch]

Definitely don't want to go more than 3x
Ideally would want less, but I figured I'd modify the frequency based on bloods (2x times, 1x time/ week).

I'm doing 300mg test e, 200mg primo year round for general athleticism. Was thinking to raise to 400-500mg test for max 3 months when summer comes, which is another thing keeping me from getting the undecanoate in castor.

Guess I'll get the peach test e and try it out (and maybe get some GSO test e as well).

 

[BigNoOne]

As for the overlap, you really can't comprehend the difference between depot time to go into circulation and ester cleaving.

I comprehend just fine but you’re not understanding that it’s continuously releasing from the depot and over those days you inject more that doesn’t just sit idle and wait its turn.

Stable serum blood levels are just that, stable. Testosterone only aromatizes once it’s been cleaved. He’s reached that with TestE and 3x/week injections. Switching to a different oil isn’t going to make “stable levels” substantially more stable.

 

[BigNoOne]

I'm doing 300mg test e, 200mg primo year round for general athleticism.

What is your e2 on this?

How tall? Weight? Age? How many years training? Anything else that may be important?

 

[white couch]

What is your e2 on this?

How tall? Weight? Age? How many years training? Anything else that may be important?

bloods 2 months ago (taken right before pinning, so at the lowest level) were on just 300 test e/week (pharmaqo 300mg/ml test e in MCT), without primo, where e2 was at 344 pmol/L (ref range 41.4-159 pmol/L) at 14-15% body fat. After the bloods I introduced 200 primo/week (QSC MCT primo 100mg/ml).

1 month and a half ago I hopped on bayer testoviron, as I received a very good deal, at less than half the market price (dosing still at 300mg/week), unfortunately it was fake. Bloods done a few days ago (right before pinning again), sitting at 10pg/mL free test (ref range 8.4-25.4 pg/mL), total test 6.31 nmol/L (ref range 8.64-29), only thing keeping it there is the ovitrelle 250iu I do 2 times a week. E2 on this is 87.6 pmol/L, which I still find surprisingly high for such low testosterone.

I am at 10% body fat now, going for 8-9% and have that going year round. 186cm tall, 90kg, late 20s. Strictly gym training 11 years+, sports aficionado since age 4 (tennnis, football, mtb, everything I could put my hands and feet on). Had a period of contest prep for men's physique which ended in injury due to a bad coach 3 years ago. Eat extremely healthy, 0 alcohol, 0 sugar snack crap, 0 sodas, no smoking, vegetables when possible from my garden etc.

At the moment I practice track training (100m sprint and 1km). M-W-F track, Tuesday (upper body) - Thursday (legs), where I train mainly for strength and end the workout for a bit of hypertrophy/pumping. Main objective is to be athletic, look good, be healthy and maintain my youth in old age.

Am on ezetimibe as well, rest of blood work:
LDL at 68mg/dL
HDL at 42
total cholesterol 110
triglycerides 40
non HDL 70
total lipids 400mg/dL
slightly raised creatinine 1.27mg/dL (ref up until 1.2) probably from cutting on high protein intake
raised progresteron 0.713 nmo/L (0.474 upper limit ref range)
SHBG 10.7 nmol/L from primo
hsCRP 0.762
blood count is fine
thyroid is fine
slightly raised ALT from training, rest of liver is fine (direct bilirubin is raised at 0.44 mg/dL , max ref range 0.3)
dhea-s mid ref range, will start 25mg/day soon
had no more money to test pregnenolone this time

Last checkup (2 years ago) for full abdominal organ utrasound was fine, heart ultrasound fine (except some minor valve regurgitation, probably have this since birth), thyroid ultrasound fine. Prostate ultrasound and normal prostate check fine. Cancer markers fine. blood pressure fine

 

[Liter O' Test]

youre overthinking and just need to take more a.i or primo

I dont see other vendors use ?peach? oil maybe this is your first sign.
among all the other signs in that vendors thread.

also i dont think using a longer ester will bring your 80 e2 down to normal

i think your overthinking will lead you astray and you will miss the forest for the trees

 

[white couch]

youre overthinking and just need to take more a.i or primo

I dont see other vendors use ?peach? oil maybe this is your first sign.
among all the other signs in that vendors thread.

also i dont think using a longer ester will bring your 80 e2 down to normal

i think your overthinking will lead you astray and you will miss the forest for the trees

I think I am micromanaging it too much, yeah. I'll get some GSO test e from HYB I guess and see how I feel with it, do bloods and adjust primo or add AI (have to lose 2% more body fat as well)

80+ e2 is closer to low ref range as it is pmol/L, but this is considering my test is under ref range and am on 200 primo as well

 

[BigNoOne]

bloods 2 months ago (taken right before pinning, so at the lowest level) were on just 300 test e/week (pharmaqo 300mg/ml test e in MCT), without primo, where e2 was at 344 pmol/L (ref range 41.4-159 pmol/L) at 14-15% body fat. After the bloods I introduced 200 primo/week (QSC MCT primo 100mg/ml).

1 month and a half ago I hopped on bayer testoviron, as I received a very good deal, at less than half the market price (dosing still at 300mg/week), unfortunately it was fake. Bloods done a few days ago (right before pinning again), sitting at 10pg/mL free test (ref range 8.4-25.4 pg/mL), total test 6.31 nmol/L (ref range 8.64-29), only thing keeping it there is the ovitrelle 250iu I do 2 times a week. E2 on this is 87.6 pmol/L, which I still find surprisingly high for such low testosterone.

I am at 10% body fat now, going for 8-9% and have that going year round. 186cm tall, 90kg, late 20s. Strictly gym training 11 years+, sports aficionado since age 4 (tennnis, football, mtb, everything I could put my hands and feet on). Had a period of contest prep for men's physique which ended in injury due to a bad coach 3 years ago. Eat extremely healthy, 0 alcohol, 0 sugar snack crap, 0 sodas, no smoking, vegetables when possible from my garden etc.

At the moment I practice track training (100m sprint and 1km). M-W-F track, Tuesday (upper body) - Thursday (legs), where I train mainly for strength and end the workout for a bit of hypertrophy/pumping. Main objective is to be athletic, look good, be healthy and maintain my youth in old age.

Am on ezetimibe as well, rest of blood work:
LDL at 68mg/dL
HDL at 42
total cholesterol 110
triglycerides 40
non HDL 70
total lipids 400mg/dL
slightly raised creatinine 1.27mg/dL (ref up until 1.2) probably from cutting on high protein intake
raised progresteron 0.713 nmo/L (0.474 upper limit ref range)
SHBG 10.7 nmol/L from primo
hsCRP 0.762
blood count is fine
thyroid is fine
slightly raised ALT from training, rest of liver is fine (direct bilirubin is raised at 0.44 mg/dL , max ref range 0.3)
dhea-s mid ref range, will start 25mg/day soon
had no more money to test pregnenolone this time

Last checkup (2 years ago) for full abdominal organ utrasound was fine, heart ultrasound fine (except some minor valve regurgitation, probably have this since birth), thyroid ultrasound fine. Prostate ultrasound and normal prostate check fine. Cancer markers fine. blood pressure fine

It looks like you keep switching products. Pick a vendor and stick with it if it’s working. The switch to fake/bunk product confuses everything.

Do you have older bloodtests? Have your hormone levels ever been “dialed in”.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I think I am micromanaging it too much, yeah. I'll get some GSO test e from HYB I guess and see how I feel with it, do bloods and adjust primo or add AI (have to lose 2% more body fat as well)

80+ e2 is closer to low ref range as it is pmol/L, but this is considering my test is under ref range and am on 200 primo as well

ok missed that, according to a calculator it says thats like 22pg/ml which is ideal for me personally.

like i said, carrier oil, injection frequency fat or ester won't change the fact you naturally convert a lot to estrogen.

just take regular test that everyone else uses, from a reputable source, use reputable a.i , do all the normal things and adjust slightly.

you try to "min max" this stuff and you'll end up with 100 other variables that will throw you off instead of just K.I.S.S "keep it simple stupid"

 

[white couch]

I kept to pharmaqo 300mg/ml test e in MCT before and it did the job; I had switched to bayer testoviron as I always wanted the castor oil (too bad it was fake).

Besides the aromatization stuff, I have some combination of either folliculitis or acne on back/chest/glutes. It is not bad but when it pops up, I can see it is usually on the hair follicle or something that has sebum stuck. So besides getting E2 in check, thought I would also change the oil from MCT to something else as maybe that could be a factor as well; and if possible find something to replace dairy as I eat about 300g of cottage cheese every day.

Right now I am looking at HYB lab that has 300mg test e in GSO as my first ever cycle was on gso test and it went fine.

I do have older bloodtests; I had e2 at the top of the ref range on about 2mg arimidex weekly when just on test 300mg; but that was 1-2 years ago and I am trying to solve it using only primo

i appreciate the advice and help!