well folks i'm finally getting a chance to make this thread. It's been a hectic week for me and i knew this was going to be a long one. I barley have time to answer pms. Be patient guys, i will respond to everyone. I'm hoping that many will learn and be more cautious when it comes to dealing with scammers.
I first saw the pl line at olm in the steroid pictures forum. It just seemed at first that it was a guy (disaster) using the gear and posting pics of it. A few days later the same pics were posted here at meso but with a different user name (ceazer). I went back to olm, pmed disaster and asked if he was using the screen name ceazer at meso. He replied yes but said he was just using the gear. Of course i was suspicious at that time because of the two different user names. I told him that i would keep an eye on his progression with the line.
Robyflexx pmed me here at meso asking about the line to see if it was legit. I asked him if he was approached by ceazer about the line and he replied no. He said that he tried to contact ceazer about it but didn't get a reply. At this time i was not suspicious of robyflex. He sent me a pm the next day saying that ceazer replied to his pm and gave him the labs e-mail addy. I told him to be careful because the pics could just be bait for a scam, e-mail addys are just not givin out so freely. He asked if i wanted to see the list. I told him to send it to me and i would get back to him with my thoughts. He asked me if i thought it would be ok to make a small order. I told him that i wouldn't. There will have to be many people before me that have received and are getting results before i would ever place an order. He sent it to me but left the e-mail addy off of the list. That's when i first became suspicious of him. He then averaged 20 posts per day trying to build trust amongst the members.
I then noticed that disaster was banned at olm so i sent one of the mods over there a pm telling him of my suspicions about disaster and robyflexx and asked why he was banned. I still didn't hear anyone call scammer at either board. He was not banned for scamming but for soliciting via pm.
This happened over a period of a few weeks. I was getting pms from members asking if i knew anything about pl. By this time i knew it was his line and robyflexx was part of it. I thought they might be the same person (ceazer/robyflexx) so i ran the ip addys but they were different. I checked join dates and they were the same. Still no one calling scammer. It was time to contact ceazer, give him my thoughts and see his reaction.
I pmed him and told him that i figured he was pl and roby was his partner. Then told him i checked ip addys but only came up with the same join dates. I told him the list itself was a red flag (the list contains everything) and from where i was sitting he was either a scammer or just trying to drum up some biz. Then asked if he had any respected members in the community that could vouch for his product. I also asked why he was banned from olm. I then told him to hit me back with his thoughts.
He said that he was banned at olm for spamming. He told me he wasn't a scammer and would have people pm me that are using pl. He also told me he was a mod on another board and used to mod at ssbb and would have roby send me some gear to prove it's legitimacy. I went to check out the board he was a mod on. There were a few posters but it was pretty dead. He even offered me a mod position. He pmed me and asked me to take down the pl threads as he was going private.
I spoke with lurch214, a mod at tsc. He told me a member from his board that posted at meso was scammed by disaster/ceazer. He told me all of the wu info is from sterling heights and rochester mi. Lurch is a good bro and has been a big help in nailing this guy. I spoke with the member and he was scammed for $600.
I pmed ceazer and told him the info that i learned from lurch. This was his response-
and this-
and this-
this was posted by a member from a different board-
what a surprise, texas and michigan. Here is the mi address he sent funds to-
karen walatkiewicz
643 dorchester
rochester hills,
michigan 48307
apt #7
this was posted by a different member-
posted by another member-
this was posted by a member from this board-
there's more info than this but i think everyone gets the point. There are several guys around right now that have been scammed over the last few weeks. He's been at this scam for a long time and has ripped many off.
It sounds like ceazer is in michigan and robyflexx is in texas.
Be smart guys. Don't rush into any purchases. Do your homework. Research the lab and get refs.
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