Permanent insomnia - Need help

[Henona51]

I’ve been on TRT for about a year now (trying to fix insomnia, triggered from NPP) and have been experimenting with different protocols—various esters, dosages (ranging from 50mg to 250mg), with and without HCG/HMG, and injection frequencies (daily, every two, or three days). I’ve also kept a close eye on controlling estradiol, E2, prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone and progesterone levels. Despite all that, I’ve been facing a major issue:

I wake up after 4-5 hours of sleep every single night (I have zero issue to fall asleep) and can’t go back to sleep. This has been going on for months, and I’m beyond exhausted—both physically and mentally. It feels like I haven’t had a proper night’s rest in ages.

I’ve tried everything, from medications like Mirtazapine, Trazodone, Benzos, and a bunch of others, to a ton of supplements: ZMA, L-Theanine, Melatonin, GABA, Glycine, Black Pepper, Ashwagandha, and more that I can’t even remember at this point.

I’ve ruled out sleep apnea through a test, so that’s not it. I’m feeling completely worn out, and I’m honestly at a loss as to what to do next.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with TRT-related sleep issues? How did you manage it? Any advice or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 

[WeakPiggy]

im not an expert right, but todd lee has a video on yt about how to sleep. FOR ME diet plays a role. when i do zero carbs, I dont sleep. You left out info we could use, like do you smoke, stims, pre-workout, when do you work out, watching tv etc.
second would be building a routine before you sleep and follow that daily. Dont lay in bed until youre ready to sleep so mentally your mind knows, its sleep time.
Third, since you tried pharma, this might not help but they have the sleeping peptide, deep rim sleep, or something like that. Its gaining popularity.
I used magnesium before I sleep, I can get you what they attach it to, I just dont remember.
But dosing gh also helps ME to sleep. good luck

 

[WeakPiggy]

I’ve been on TRT for about a year now (trying to fix insomnia, triggered from NPP) and have been experimenting with different protocols—various esters, dosages (ranging from 50mg to 250mg), with and without HCG/HMG, and injection frequencies (daily, every two, or three days). I’ve also kept a close eye on controlling estradiol, E2, prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone and progesterone levels. Despite all that, I’ve been facing a major issue:

I wake up after 4-5 hours of sleep every single night (I have zero issue to fall asleep) and can’t go back to sleep. This has been going on for months, and I’m beyond exhausted—both physically and mentally. It feels like I haven’t had a proper night’s rest in ages.

I’ve tried everything, from medications like Mirtazapine, Trazodone, Benzos, and a bunch of others, to a ton of supplements: ZMA, L-Theanine, Melatonin, GABA, Glycine, Black Pepper, Ashwagandha, and more that I can’t even remember at this point.

I’ve ruled out sleep apnea through a test, so that’s not it. I’m feeling completely worn out, and I’m honestly at a loss as to what to do next.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with TRT-related sleep issues? How did you manage it? Any advice or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

View: https://youtu.be/ZJp1FqE30So?si=vIcHmieAAG-oR22C

 

[Eddie.]

That must've been hell, i sympathize because i'm having sleeping issues too for the last 18 years of my life. I'm having the same issue, falling asleep is easy but after 4-5 hours i wake up and then i'm having intermitted light sleep until i actually wake up.

When you say you tried supplements can you write down your dosages of melatonin, gaba and glycine? Also, any magnesium? Glycinate or threonate? I've seen quite a few people saying eg melatonin didn't help but they were taking 3-5mg which is low. I don't feel it's helping me until i go up to 20mg and some guys go as high as 100-200mg. Same with GABA, less than 1,5gr it's not doing anything. I was taking 3-5gr for one period and it helped.

One i haven't tried yet is growth hormone but i guess it needs to be high as well and that would be an expensive "sleep aid", unless you care about it's other effects.

 

[rebornmuscles]

What's your lasts meals before bed time ?
Any supplements or beverage that increases CNS like caffeine, théine, clen, salbutamol...?

 

[Excel.exe]

One i haven't tried yet is growth hormone but i guess it needs to be high as well and that would be an expensive "sleep aid", unless you care about it's other effects.

Most people take 2iu before sleep for any sleep benefits.

 

[Henona51]

im not an expert right, but todd lee has a video on yt about how to sleep. FOR ME diet plays a role. when i do zero carbs, I dont sleep. You left out info we could use, like do you smoke, stims, pre-workout, when do you work out, watching tv etc.
second would be building a routine before you sleep and follow that daily. Dont lay in bed until youre ready to sleep so mentally your mind knows, its sleep time.
Third, since you tried pharma, this might not help but they have the sleeping peptide, deep rim sleep, or something like that. Its gaining popularity.
I used magnesium before I sleep, I can get you what they attach it to, I just dont remember.
But dosing gh also helps ME to sleep. good luck

Thanks for the suggestions! Just to clarify, I don’t smoke, and the only stimulant I take is caffeine, which I have at least 8-9 hours before sleeping. I've done this in the past, my whole life without any issues. I also follow great sleep hygiene: I avoid blue light for at least 4 hours before bed and use melatonin along with relaxation techniques to wind down.

Regarding my diet, I eat a strict, balanced diet consisting of pasta, rice, chicken breast, and similar foods, with only one cheat meal every week or two. I make sure to maintain a routine before bed and avoid lying in bed until I’m actually ready to sleep.

I've also been using HGH, CBD, THC, CBG, and CBN, as well as different forms of magnesium, but unfortunately, none of these have been successful for me. I haven’t tried the DSIP you mentioned, though, so that might be worth looking into. Additionally, I plan on trying an Orexin Receptor Antagonist in three days.

 

[Henona51]

What's your lasts meals before bed time ?
Any supplements or beverage that increases CNS like caffeine, théine, clen, salbutamol...?

I only take caffeine, but I space it out by at least 8-9 hours before sleeping. For my last meal, I eat three eggs, 200g of turkey dinde, and two peppers.

 

[Henona51]

That must've been hell, i sympathize because i'm having sleeping issues too for the last 18 years of my life. I'm having the same issue, falling asleep is easy but after 4-5 hours i wake up and then i'm having intermitted light sleep until i actually wake up.

When you say you tried supplements can you write down your dosages of melatonin, gaba and glycine? Also, any magnesium? Glycinate or threonate? I've seen quite a few people saying eg melatonin didn't help but they were taking 3-5mg which is low. I don't feel it's helping me until i go up to 20mg and some guys go as high as 100-200mg. Same with GABA, less than 1,5gr it's not doing anything. I was taking 3-5gr for one period and it helped.

One i haven't tried yet is growth hormone but i guess it needs to be high as well and that would be an expensive "sleep aid", unless you care about it's other effects.

Regarding supplements, I've tried various forms of melatonin, but none have been effective for me. GABA/HGH was also useless. However, I found that picamilon induced sedation for me. When I take benzodiazepines, I can sleep really well, but they aren’t suitable for long-term use, and I still don’t feel rested in the morning.

As for dosages, I haven't found anything that consistently works for me unfortunately.

 

[rebornmuscles]

I only take caffeine, but I space it out by at least 8-9 hours before sleeping. For my last meal, I eat three eggs, 200g of turkey dinde, and two peppers.

I read your response to someone, you have an healthy lifestyle, I will just change pepper for maybe carrots or salad and some kefir at the end of the food
If it don't change anything have you tried injectable mt2 ?
Something is a gamechanger is hgh (2 ui) before bedtime with 3 mg of melatonin pills

 

[Henona51]

If it don't change anything have you tried injectable mt2 ?
Something is a gamechanger is hgh (2 ui) before bedtime with 3 mg of melatonin pills

MT2 = Melanotan II, right? Yes, I’m injecting 80 mcg a day to maintain my tan. HGH has been worsening my sleep, and I’m taking 250 mcg of melatonin every evening, which matches what the body naturally secretes, higher doses give me vivid dreams and nightmares.

 

[Benf15harp]

All you need is Epitalon 500mcg-1MG per night
GL

 

[Henona51]

All you need is Epitalon 500mcg-1MG per night
GL

I will definitely give it a try, with DSIP.

 

[Eddie.]

Most people take 2iu before sleep for any sleep benefits.

Yes, some people see benefit from 2iu some see from 8 but some in 15+ say the can't stay asleep 30 minutes after injection and they wake up only when alarm hits, so my guess is more GH = more deep sleep. I remember Sector when he started with 4 IU said his sleep was much better and when he raised to 6 or 8 everything including sleep was even better.

 

[rebornmuscles]

Yes, some people see benefit from 2iu some see from 8 but some in 15+ say the can't stay asleep 30 minutes after injection and they wake up only when alarm hits, so my guess is more GH = more deep sleep. I remember Sector when he started with 4 IU said his sleep was much better and when he raised to 6 or 8 everything including sleep was even better.

Yes that's right the most the better,
I prefer a range of 2 to 4ui per day maximum but I can't tell him to take more than that because he need medical control (cancer fiber etc) some things works well but we need some checks before imagine his perfect dose are 8ui but at the same time he gonna have some sides problems,
I think all above 4ui per day need some medical checks, health first that's why I give some advice in "safe" range, see my point here ?

 

[Excel.exe]

Yes, some people see benefit from 2iu some see from 8 but some in 15+ say the can't stay asleep 30 minutes after injection and they wake up only when alarm hits, so my guess is more GH = more deep sleep.

Have you tried DSIP?

 

[Eddie.]

Yes that's right the most the better,
I prefer a range of 2 to 4ui per day maximum but I can't tell him to take more than that because he need medical control (cancer fiber etc) some things works well but we need some checks before imagine his perfect dose are 8ui but at the same time he gonna have some sides problems,
I think all above 4ui per day need some medical checks, health first that's why I give some advice in "safe" range, see my point here ?

I personally know the risk of potential speeding of cancer cells due to HGH and i think this day and age almost everyone does. I'm suggesting something that might help him, if he wants to try it it's his job to do the research before starting and not my responsibility to mention the potential side effects. Also none of us can be sure if even 2IU is safe for that matter.

Have you tried DSIP?

No i haven't and honestly i don't know anyone who has. You tried it?

 

[Excel.exe]

No i haven't and honestly i don't know anyone who has. You tried it?

Neither have I but I mentioned it in case you weren't aware of it.

 

[Ghoul]

A full on sleep study will identify what's going on immediately prior to awakening. With brainwaves and all other physical signs monitored, even body movements via IR cameras, all these factors correlated to each other will almost certainly pinpoint the cause. There are facilities everywhere that conduct these, from hospitals to storefront clinics,

Just do it already.

 

[rebornmuscles]

I personally know the risk of potential speeding of cancer cells due to HGH and i think this day and age almost everyone does. I'm suggesting something that might help him, if he wants to try it it's his job to do the research before starting and not my responsibility to mention the potential side effects. Also none of us can be sure if even 2IU is safe for that matter.



No i haven't and honestly i don't know anyone who has. You tried it?

By experience (not talking to his case specifically) many people don't do research, each one conscious mine is quite clear for now,

Ofc no one can tell 2ui is safe but is the same as all AAS you enter in a world without any bodyguard is you and your luck

Anyway I see your point and agree with it we are all think differently,
let him try the epitalon like other member told him to do and hoping his problem solved definitely if not trying your method with all the precaution necessary