Permanent insomnia - Need help

[Ghoul]

Even if one gets cancer, you'll never know what role GH did or didn't play in its development.

Heard one doc say the patients he's treated, that have used GH, and get cancer, are invariably convinced they did it to themselves and it's psychologically devastating.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Yes, some people see benefit from 2iu some see from 8 but some in 15+ say the can't stay asleep 30 minutes after injection and they wake up only when alarm hits, so my guess is more GH = more deep sleep. I remember Sector when he started with 4 IU said his sleep was much better and when he raised to 6 or 8 everything including sleep was even better.

The more GH I take before bed, the worse I sleep. I will wake up so much if I do that. Its really unfortunate. That's just my experience. Type-II has some stuff on GH sleep fragmentation; very individual. All of my GH is in one morning bolus due to this.

 

[Pulpfiction]

I take 2 iu before bed but to be honest I could take that in the am and feel fine. Melatonin 29 mg or Benadryl before bed. If that doesn’t work, thc gummies will put you right out and you’ll be in deep sleep all night long

 

[Liter O' Test]

you never mentioned your dosage of melotinin, for all we know you could have been using 3mg.
Doses much higher work better and I've read things about melatonin being an antioxidant.
you can even find it as a 200mg suppository.

also messing with benzos and other legit scripts will mess up with your sleep after you stop taking them. As well as alcohol, that'll make you wake up earlier than expected.

maybe if you are in a calorie deficit your body is waking up earlier due to a stress response or perhaps your estrogen is low

 

[Henona51]

Doses much higher work better

This is not actually true. Melatonin: Why Less is More! - Northwest Integrative Medicine

 

[max_rep1975]

best solution for me is 10mg baclofen+3mg melatonin before sleep. try this

 

[Henona51]

best solution for me is 10mg baclofen+3mg melatonin before sleep. try this

Can baclofen used long-term? I'm looking for something that can be taken year-round, for years.

 

[iris]

Do you take beta blockers?
They can cause insomnia, sometimes.
Theoretically, melatonin should counteract that, and you said you tried it.
In any case, i do not know if you take anything for hypertension

 

[deadbeef]

Not sure if it can be taken year round for years, but dayvigo (lemborexant) is not supposed to create dependence or withdrawals.

 

[max_rep1975]

Can baclofen used long-term? I'm looking for something that can be taken year-round, for years.

i have been using it for 5 years

 

[heikokallbachtherealone]

Unfortunately, I have the same problem. HGH and Ipamorelin make me feel more awake. DSIP doesn't work at all, melatonin only works sometimes. The only thing that helps is dimenhydrinate and Xanax, which shouldn't be a long-term solution.

 

[psauce]

The safest drug with the least negative effect on sleep quality that also has a very good safety profile (compared to other sleep drugs) is eszopiclone (Lunesta in the US).

When they were introduced, the "z-drugs" -- zolpidem (Ambien), eszopiclone (Lunesta), and zaleplon (Sonata, all US names) were recommended for a few days to weeks at max. A recent trial had patients taking up to 3 mg of eszopiclone for as long as six months. Tolerance is less of an issue than with benzos and other hypnotics (the z-drugs), there are fewer side effects, it is more effective than things like the atypical or cyclic antidepressants, and doesn't just royally fuck your sleep architecture. None of the other highly effective sleep drugs has been trialed for that long without things going really sideways.

One will almost certainly become dependent after this period, but discontinuation can be done gradually by stepping down to the 2 mg tablet, then 1 mg, then 0.5 mg. A month is a reasonable time to expect the weaning process to make the transition off to be as smooth as possible.

If you haven't tried it, it's available through a few vendors here and, since there's literature on it, an informed physician (especially a psychiatrist) will be open to it. Hell, most of them have no problem writing scripts for Ambien year after year for people. Give it a try and see if it works.

One really effective but potentially dicey option is quetiapine, an anti-psychotic that can also treat depression and certainly has a sedative effect. The cautionary note: this will make you so hungry, you'll fuck a hobo for a ham sandwich. If you are careful, and titrate up slowly, you can find a dose that helps you meet the caloric needs for a bulk and really knocks you out. It has a pronounced hangover effect in many people, but like the hunger effect, it has a dose-response curve. So if you attempt this route because you're trying to put on weight and also improve your sleep, again, go slowly. Even after you stop the drug and the serum level of hunger hormones (leptin, ghrelin, and peptide YY) return to normal, their concentrations in cerebrospinal fluid can remain altered for months to years.

I gained 60 lbs in two months accidentally, eating so ravenously that I would vomit, return to sleep, and then wake up and finish the second pizza of the two-pizza combo that I ordered. It is not to be fucked with.

 

[berryw]

You taking COQ10? I recently stopped taking it and now I've been able to sleep well after months of not being able to.

 

[KZChoppers1]

I’ve been on TRT for about a year now (trying to fix insomnia, triggered from NPP) and have been experimenting with different protocols—various esters, dosages (ranging from 50mg to 250mg), with and without HCG/HMG, and injection frequencies (daily, every two, or three days). I’ve also kept a close eye on controlling estradiol, E2, prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone and progesterone levels. Despite all that, I’ve been facing a major issue:

I wake up after 4-5 hours of sleep every single night (I have zero issue to fall asleep) and can’t go back to sleep. This has been going on for months, and I’m beyond exhausted—both physically and mentally. It feels like I haven’t had a proper night’s rest in ages.

I’ve tried everything, from medications like Mirtazapine, Trazodone, Benzos, and a bunch of others, to a ton of supplements: ZMA, L-Theanine, Melatonin, GABA, Glycine, Black Pepper, Ashwagandha, and more that I can’t even remember at this point.

I’ve ruled out sleep apnea through a test, so that’s not it. I’m feeling completely worn out, and I’m honestly at a loss as to what to do next.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with TRT-related sleep issues? How did you manage it? Any advice or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Have you had a sleep study? Water weight gain? Blood pressure too high? Apnea? I'm IBD patient. Sleep 20 min at a time for 24 years now. We adjust to anything we cannot control. Best

 

[DoctorX]

Do you consume any caffeine? Giving up caffeine improved my sleep a ton. Doesn't matter if I have coffee at 1 pm and sleep at 1 am it still messes with my sleep

 

[Demondosage]

Look into your workout frequency and volume, could be an overstimulation of your nervous system and shit cortisol levels. You may benefit from doing less, I’ve found this to be my case lately as I’m 44 years old myself

 

[Franscesco_Schettino_1960]

Clonidine is your friend start with 0.15mg

 

[expylon]

The more GH I take before bed, the worse I sleep.

5iu i kinda slept well but felt sleepy during next day

mk677 deep sleep and full of energy next day... im a mid-day nap person and with mk i simply couldnt

 

[xrayphoton13]

I have the same problem. For me the only thing that fixes it is lowering my weight. How much do you weigh? If I'm over 200 lbs I wake up middle of the night. If I'm under I sleep great. Of course having a huge meal before bed doesn't seem to help me either but a little bit of carbs can help like some milk or something. And you already know but avoid caffeine at least 8 hours before bed

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

Sounds like your using a ton of stuff from all different angles. Makes sense when your desperate to get some

Maybe try the following:

Before bed:

Get a proper red-light use it before bed, in mornings.

Zinc (picolinate, citrate, or gluconate) 10-15mg
Magnesium glycinate 200mg
Tudca
Nac
Valerian extract (note this works great)

No gadgets 2hrs before bed
Cut social media
Cut watching the news totally (silent stress)

More over if it's so bad stop eventing for a week. Then see how your feeling, csnt he worse then you feel cureently.