Pharacom test results, under dosed

We also need to confirm what the TRT guys with 3-4x are actually taking. Everyone generally refers to it as human grade pharmaceutical testosterone if it's (legally) prescribed by a doctor and dispensed by a pharmacy. The big question is whether they are using REAL human grade (e.g. Watson, etc) or a compounded testosterone product purchased from the TRT clinics preferred compounding pharmacy.

I use West Ward Test Cyp (made by Hikma like Watson).

I inject 88mg on Monday and Thursday. My last bloods came up at 850. That comes out to 9.5x if you use the "by single dose" rule, or 4.9x if you use the "by weekly total" rule.

This suggests that in my case, I should only look for 7-10x single dose on bloods if I ever blast, or 3.6-5x weekly dose (assuming 75%-100% labeled dosage).
 
Maybe try a gram a week, maybe it is underdosed. Or maybe test isnt even the issue. Libido and energy has a lot to do with your mind. 1800 is still way above the normal range.
 
I wasn't expecting to turn in the hulk, but I should it atleast notice, libido, energy or something at 600mgs a week, which why I did the bloodwok
It's no way I am taking a gram of that oil, like I said I never cycled before, I threw it in the trAsh and found a source locally
 
Maybe try a gram a week, maybe it is underdosed. Or maybe test isnt even the issue. Libido and energy has a lot to do with your mind. 1800 is still way above the normal range.


Read the entire thread!

And why would anyone take a gram of crap gear?! PIP of injection a gram for a measly 3600 total test? Fuck that!
 
Why? Because you took .6 grams and didnt report any negative side effects. Also you are assuming the relationship between test e dose and blood concentration is linear, which I have not seen proof of.
 
I actually was reading through studies on ncbi pub med on testosterone enanthate the other day and came across a study that showed that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene was associated with varying serum levels of testosterone. The study gave a 500 mg test-e injection and then sampled 2 days later. Individuals homozygous for PDE7B rs7774640 G allele had a smaller increase (2.5-fold) in the serum testosterone levels compared with carriers of the A allele (3.9-fold, P=0.0006).

Here is the conclusion of the article (copy & pasted) :

We have shown that PDE7B is involved in the hydrolysis of testosterone enanthate and that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene is a determinant of the systemic levels of testosterone after administration of testosterone enanthate. It is reasonable to believe that the genetic variation in testosterone bioavailability may be correlated to varying effects of this androgen, whether it is used for replacement therapy or abused in doping. Thus our results may be important to consider in doping test programmes and in therapeutics with androgens and other esterified drugs.


So it looks like there is quite a large variation just based off this one gene variation that can account for a massive difference in blood testosterone levels, from the exact same dosage. 2.5 FOLD increase VS 3.9 FOLD increase -- Quite significant.

So obviously there is no hard & fast "rule" for this much injected = this much blood level. And this was just ONE genetic factor that caused such a big difference. Extrapolating on that, imagine if there are many OTHER factors that lead to significant differences. Based on that, showing ONE blood test, taken at ONE single time, that does indeed show levels BEYOND the normal maximum, doesn't really prove a whole lot.

Here's the address to read the study yourself.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21383644
 
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