Pharmacom/Basic sold bunk/underdosed products for all orders MAY and JUNE

[LowTSux]

Yeah its dirt, but like its still ok to grow tomatoes in, so thats why you are not getting anywhere, if you think of it in terms of total happy customers per year, to total unhappy customers per year, happy out numbers so it wins everytime, (PROFIT/LOSS) makes business sense, so for you to win you need to turn happy customers into unhappy customers until then. You Lose

 

[stayinalive]

Yeah its dirt, but like its still ok to grow tomatoes in, so thats why you are not getting anywhere, if you think of it in terms of total happy customers per year, to total unhappy customers per year, happy out numbers so it wins everytime, (PROFIT/LOSS) makes business sense, so for you to win you need to turn happy customers into unhappy customers until then. You Lose

I didn't lose anything. I already lost you moron. You have no idea what members are fake and which are real. Also again most people have never bought juice outside of the internet. They have NO IDEA what it is supposed to feel like. If you aren't smart enough to piece all of this together,I am not going to help you.

What source gets this amount of shilling on here? Be intelligent and think. I am not going to try to convince you of anything. More information will come out as needed. For now I am not going to try to sway the opinion of someone that is clearly biased.

Have you ever even purchased pharmacom gear?

Does it make sense that a "normal" member will devote 3 hours of their day arguing with me about pharmacom? You need to come to your senses or you are one of them and trying to poke holes in my argument.

Why do my bloods carry more weight than the other members bloods? After all,I am just a normal member.

 

[LowTSux]

No, so far you have lost a few vials and are currently losing a uphill battle. And if im a moron whats that make you, because like me, you also dont know which members are fake and how do you speak for most people buying juice, did you upload that study?? I am not against you, but nor am i for you, its just not concrete, too many fucking variables, do you not know what that means? You never did answer anyone on exactly what you put in your body. And since you cant prove it with paperwork at least try to prove it by being truthful, you cant lose anymore then you already have. I have this feeling you wont say because in your mind you know it can affect your argument.

 

[stayinalive]

No, so far you have lost a few vials and are currently losing a uphill battle. And if im a moron whats that make you, because like me, you also dont know which members are fake and how do you speak for most people buying juice, did you upload that study?? I am not against you, but nor am i for you, its just not concrete, too many fucking variables, do you not know what that means? You never did answer anyone on exactly what you put in your body. And since you cant prove it with paperwork at least try to prove it by being truthful, you cant lose anymore then you already have. I have this feeling you wont say because in your mind you know it can affect your argument.

There was never any intention to "win" the uphill battle. This is not winnable because there are factors which you aren't taking into consideration here and which I am not the right person to tell you. If you want to do the research on your own that is on you.

Forget about me for a second,what argument can you give me for other members complaining about pharma and immediately getting insulted/harassed.

Does that happen with any other source?Any other source the customer is believed first before the source.

Think about it,what is different between Pharmacom and all the other sources on this site. I want you to think about this one long and hard because you will start to see/think about things you haven't thought of before. What is the difference between Pharma and other sources here?

You don't need physical evidence to convict someone to 45 years in prison for rape/sexual abuse. If there are 20 witnesses saying you have raped them,even if there is no physical proof(which here there is). You are going straight to jail.

 

[LowTSux]

Does it make sense that you have spent more then 3hrs arguing about same thing, im not poking holes in it, im trying to get you to fill them in, and whats with the comments about more information will come, shit the time is now. Did you have to order it? Seriously tho, had you got your ducks in a row first and information was good things would be different for you.

 

[D-max]

Does it make sense that a "normal" member will devote 3 hours of their day arguing with me about pharmacom?

Interested in what you categorize yourself as considering you spend 18 hours a day here spamming the same thing over and over?

Normal?

 

[stayinalive]

Interested in what you categorize yourself as considering you spend 18 hours a day here spamming the same thing over and over?

Normal?

I am upset that veterans of the community let this source trample on the principles and foundations that were set into place since 2003. I am disgruntled that Pharmacom gets special treatment while other sources have to prove themselves when someone accuses the of being scammed.

Pharmacom is the only source that get's a way with this and if you have any type of critical thinking skills you will quickly understand why.

 

[stayinalive]

Does it make sense that you have spent more then 3hrs arguing about same thing, im not poking holes in it, im trying to get you to fill them in, and whats with the comments about more information will come, shit the time is now. Did you have to order it? Seriously tho, had you got your ducks in a row first and information was good things would be different for you.

I don't think you are understanding what I am getting at.I cannot spell it out for you,you need to figure this one out on your own.

What does Pharmacom have on here that other sources do not?

You keep on avoiding answering my question,why is there a double standard with how sources are vetted. Why does the burden of proof lie on the customer when it comes to pharma when other sources the source has to go above and beyond to prove their innocence?

 

[LowTSux]

There is a flipside to a conviction without physical evidence, and that is witnesses getting their story sorted via a lawyer, many people in prison for this very reason. Not justified. You say its selective so if that be the case, would you say random selective or new/old selective, small/large order selective?? How is it selective so that i may order and they purposely send bunk?

 

[Dema]

I am upset that veterans of the community let this source trample on the principles and foundations that were set into place since 2003. I am disgruntled that Pharmacom gets special treatment while other sources have to prove themselves when someone accuses the of being scammed.

Pharmacom is the only source that get's a way with this and if you have any type of imaginary thinking skills you will quickly understand why.

Fixed

 

[stayinalive]

There is a flipside to a conviction without physical evidence, and that is witnesses getting their story sorted via a lawyer, many people in prison for this very reason. Not justified. You say its selective so if that be the case, would you say random selective or new/old selective, small/large order selective?? How is it selective so that i may order and they purposely send bunk?

First order I am pretty sure will be good to go if you just get testosterone since they know most people only get blood test on the first batch they receive and after that they assume its good to go.Hell,most people don't get blood test period. Even a lot of amateur bodybuilders have never gotten a blood test.Blood test are used on the internet because there is a lot of bunk going around and it takes a lot less balls to scam someone online than to steal from them in person.

Right now I doubt they are sending bunk,they know the situation on meso is HOT and they won't risk making a few extra bucks. Someone is going to post lab results/vial results of a NEW batch and I am going to be discredited.As soon as this dies down,it's going to be back to selective scamming. Well known members/Reps ALWAYS are going to get good gear,random customers/new members not so much. Why? Because even if they complain(like me) they can discredit them and they have the man power to flood threads (as you can see) there is also a little else going on which I have already told you to think about.

Imagine someone that gets scammed two months from now. They are going to think "Look what they did to stayinalive,I better just eat this loss and find a new source before ruining my rep on the board" No one wants to take the double loss of forum kudos and losing money. They know their money is long gone. I know my money is long gone.

Im going to keep asking the same question,why does pharmacom get treated differently than other sources on here?

 

[LowTSux]

How are they treated differently well maybe its based on volume, the fact that they have a larger percentage of the user pie and a large percentage are happy, so it makes sense that they would get picked on less, the thing is tho you can just speak with your dollars and shop elsewhere and i will follow you there but first you have to lead, nobody likes to follow a raging lunatic. So change up your tactics.

 

[LowTSux]

How about this, you go ahead and switch sources, but i will use pc for the next 40years for my TRT and when i get a bad batch, which i will according to you, i will revive all of these threads for you and carry the torch, thing is i will have a full bottle unopened, and it will be tested, because if im going to take down goliath i will be sure my slingshot is loaded.

 

[stayinalive]

How are they treated differently well maybe its based on volume, the fact that they have a larger percentage of the user pie and a large percentage are happy, so it makes sense that they would get picked on less, the thing is tho you can just speak with your dollars and shop elsewhere and i will follow you there but first you have to lead, nobody likes to follow a raging lunatic. So change up your tactics.

I don't want to reveal where I am getting my gear from right now as that would not help the current situation. All I will say is that I noticed very quickly that the test prop from the new brand has kicked in.

I am not here to sell myself,I am here so others have an opportunity to see all the threads full of members that have been fleeced and make a judgement on their own.

 

[stayinalive]

How about this, you go ahead and switch sources, but i will use pc for the next 40years for my TRT and when i get a bad batch, which i will according to you, i will revive all of these threads for you and carry the torch, thing is i will have a full bottle unopened, and it will be tested, because if im going to take down goliath i will be sure my slingshot is loaded.

I already switched sources,you can use PC all you want but you may be shut down sometimes.You can put whatever you want into your body.

I am just showing people the facts.

My opinion my blood work my vials being tested,all that can be argued and debated with a half competent poster.

What you cannot debate is that there have been alot of complaints over the years and the proof is there.

You cannot answer me why pharmacom is treated different on these forums. It is a very simple answer.

 

[LowTSux]

See thats how your whole problem with members started, you want us to make a judgment call with information you provided, and we would love nothing more then to make that call for ourselves, thing is you get kickback from people like me that see to many variables and if you can remove those variables, then the decision making process is alot easier. And i stand firm on my earlier offer, i will become pc for 40+, so that i may hopefully remove some variables.

 

[stayinalive]

@Dema if you'd like to play semantics and.or implied intent with written words, you may want to choose a different opponent.
Your user name has "Pharmacom "Rep"" under it...no?
Rep is short for representative...no?
So MESO members can assume that you represent Pharmacom...no?
Pharmacom and MESO are two separate entities.
There is no grey area.
First and foremost, and don't get butt hurt (I'm just being honest), your UGL Rep status excludes you from being a member here and especially under the pretense of "you guys forget, I'm just another MESO juice head "
No, no you're not.
I do believe that you're a juice head, however you do not represent MESO, you represent Pharmacom.

Likewise, on MESO, anything and everything you post comes from Pharmacom....it says so right under your screen name.
So when it comes to bloods, Pharmacom and or Pharmacom reps can't represent what MESO member should or shouldn't be happy with, IF Pharmacom and their Reps don't acknowledge blood work as a method of customer satisfaction.
So would Pharmacom like to start accepting blood work as customer satisfaction, or would you like to shut up about what blood work a Pharmacom rep would be happy with while running Pharmacom gear?

This guy @retpsd hates my guts. However,he knows how to articulate himself.

I know he has the IQ to figure out what is really going on here.

However I know that he also has the IQ to figure out that it isn't in his best interest to divulge the type of information that is floating around in his head.

I KNOW @retpsd knows why pharmacom is treated differently than other sources here.

The simple question I want everyone to think about. What is different from Pharmacom than any of the other sources here?

 

[LowTSux]

If i shut down, time for test's, and i return to meso with ammo in my gun and resurrect this shitstorm, if not then hopefully live the next 40+ saying that stayinalive dude was a shit stirrer but i dont care cause my dick is swelled up and i feel good.

 

[stayinalive]

See thats how your whole problem with members started, you want us to make a judgment call with information you provided, and we would love nothing more then to make that call for ourselves, thing is you get kickback from people like me that see to many variables and if you can remove those variables, then the decision making process is alot easier. And i stand firm on my earlier offer, i will become pc for 40+, so that i may hopefully remove some variables.

It isn't information I provided,that's the problem.

It is information that other people have been providing over the years. I don't know what your motive is here. You say you have no dog in the fight but I do not believe you. Random members do not spend hours arguing defending their favorite UGL this is not NBA or NFL.

You are right,you are ignoring MANY variables here that are easy to spot by anyone with any understanding of human nature.

@LowTSux can you agree that humans usually do what is in their best interest unless they are mentally ill?

Stop regurgitating the same thing and answer the question.

What is the difference between pharmacom and any of the other sources here? Why do they not get the same treatment.

 

[LowTSux]

Hey if its such a simple fucking question, then you already know the answer, and if you already know the answer, then that means you are witholding valuable information. Please do elaborate. Seriously