Pharmacom DBol Whats your opinion ?

[Vitlion]

I've just remembered something and would like to share it with you,
Before 2 years i bought Dianabol from a source, i was splitting the dose 3 times ED, i didn't notice any results and i thought the dbol was fake, i stopped taking it. After one year, i made my order online but i didn't receive it, i remembered that old dbol and felt compelled to use it alone without any other steroids, i was taking 5 pills at once before training, and some times i was taking it without counting, i was thinking the dbol was only fake and i wanted to eat my money which i paid for that sh*** after one week i couldn't continue going to the gym, i was travelling much, so i was training home with push up and other exercises, my appetite was unbelievable, i was eating like a madman, i was ordering 3 times in the restaurant every time , i was hungry all the time, just eating without stop, 1 week later, i could not believe my eyes, my back and shoulder muscles were wow, they had a new shape, i bought even new T-shirts because i had new size and the old size became tight (its may be because of a lot of push up training).

I couldn't believe that that fake dbol did all of that to me, i still have these results until now, may be i lost 10% but still have the results.
Its why i think when you take the dose at once 4-5 pills before training may be the best and more effective, i didn't have any problems with that dose, even no side effects.
This was my experience , the dianabol which i used that time was the blue hearts

 

[CdnGuy]

Are you High?

 

[biggerben69]

I've just remembered something and would like to share it with you,
Before 2 years i bought Dianabol from a source, i was splitting the dose 3 times ED, i didn't notice any results and i thought the dbol was fake, i stopped taking it. After one year, i made my order online but i didn't receive it, i remembered that old dbol and felt compelled to use it alone without any other steroids, i was taking 5 pills at once before training, and some times i was taking it without counting, i was thinking the dbol was only fake and i wanted to eat my money which i paid for that sh*** after one week i couldn't continue going to the gym, i was travelling much, so i was training home with push up and other exercises, my appetite was unbelievable, i was eating like a madman, i was ordering 3 times in the restaurant every time , i was hungry all the time, just eating without stop, 1 week later, i could not believe my eyes, my back and shoulder muscles were wow, they had a new shape, i bought even new T-shirts because i had new size and the old size became tight (its may be because of a lot of push up training).

I couldn't believe that that fake dbol did all of that to me, i still have these results until now, may be i lost 10% but still have the results.
Its why i think when you take the dose at once 4-5 pills before training may be the best and more effective, i didn't have any problems with that dose, even no side effects.
This was my experience , the dianabol which i used that time was the blue hearts

The back pumps in the gym make training ANY body part difficult..never mind deads or rack pulls.

 

[Vitlion]

Alcohol and steroids don't mix

 

[biggerben69]

Are you High?

Sadly, I'm not.

 

[Vitlion]

The back pumps in the gym make training ANY body part difficult..never mind deads or rack pulls.

I know but not if you are training home with push up exercises and no weights in one week , and don't forget that appetite which i had that time

 

[RomanEmpire25]

The back pumps in the gym make training ANY body part difficult..never mind deads or rack pulls.

i'm on dbol right now and got a sick back pump today.. I thought i fucked around and pulled something but then i remembered im on drugs

 

[Dw725]

i'm on dbol right now and got a sick back pump today.. I thought i fucked around and pulled something but then i remembered im on drugs

It's really not a comparable feeling, back pumps and a pulled muscle.

 

[RomanEmpire25]

It's really not a comparable feeling, back pumps and a pulled muscle.

yeah i figured, haven't felt a pulled muscle before thankfully. but that back pump felt wicked

 

[Geterdun]

@Pharmacom Labs How do you know 100% that Simec is a reputable lab? What proof do you have the proves to you that their completely 100% accurate, legit and give accurate results? What physical evidence do you have that everyone can look at, that shows their so reliable? What other labs have you compared your samples to that were tested by Simec? Just curious....

 

[PHL Official]

You're saying you test the raw powders before you brew? You have your own testing facility? I think you're lying to us.
It would make sense to send raws to an independent lab for testing and then publish results before brewing and selling.
You're doing it ass backwards and lying on top of it all. You think we should take your word? Do it the right way the next time you guys open up with whatever name you give your next ugl.

sending to independent lab is our step towards our customers, they asked us about this. we do not need to send anything to Simec. When we originally published some our own results people could not understand anything because they were in chinese and also nobody trusted any results made by us for our own products. We agreed to send samples to abnother independent lab. Some time it was working. Now doubts appear again, whether we ship regular products or some special ones. Then we offered to our customers to send their samples ordered anonymously to Simec or any other lab which has sufficient competence and provides verifiable reports. Nobody did this, almost nobody, except Sampei and a couple of other guys. We even offered to cover testing expenses, it did not help though. We do not need all this testings, we test raws and know their quality. We offered all possibilities - independent labs and free testing at our costs only to show that anyone can test exactly his product absolutely independent on us. And what do we see? Nobody does it. So many keyboard warriors requiring something from us. We do it, immediately people doubt results provided by us. Ok, we can step aside and provide you the opportunity to test exactly your items received. What could be better, who offers something like this else? Tell me, how many sources do this? Almost nobody. Even with real opportunities we offered nobody uses them. Those who see what we do just buy and don`t write here a word. They understand everything. And others... and others are just keyboard warriors with super capabilities and chromotograph in cheek to define the agents immediately after is is pinned. When it comes to real actions and any help to themselves and to the community, they only always for some reason find something, why they can not send a sample to get it tested: no time, no wish, no vials more, no need cause they feel everything without any chromo, blah-blah-blah... Community and specifically this board has been created exactly for this purpose, to help each other in finding good stuff and experience exchange. Only a few isolated individuals do something to contribute to the common cause. I am speaking even not about some real actions like sending of samples. Most of the people here don`t even support such projects like anaboliclab. They find funds to buy gear and they read those reports, make their decisions based on those reports, but not in the slightest do anything to contribute, say, donate even 10$, to the good project. This is all what is needed to know. Somebody can consider my words offensive, it`s your right, but this is the tuth we have here. However, this is already another subject, close to the one i started with though.
So, you don`t believe we test raws? your right, your choice. Don`t buy from us and find some better source. nobody forces you to do anything.

@Pharmacom Labs How do you know 100% that Simec is a reputable lab? What proof do you have the proves to you that their completely 100% accurate, legit and give accurate results? What physical evidence do you have that everyone can look at, that shows their so reliable? What other labs have you compared your samples to that were tested by Simec? Just curious....

probably because not a reputable and inaccurate lab would not pass the control of the quality of its work continuously both internally as well as externally in the form of audits by customers and such authorities like:

• GMP Certification through Swissmedic (the Swiss agency for therapeutic products)
• http://simec.ch/files/downloads/ISO_17025_Simec.pdf accreditated by SAS (Swiss Accreditation Service, STS 0443)
• Successfully audited by the FDA (United States Food and Drug Administration)

Only these 3 points are enough. This lab is not specialized only in testing steroids, this is just some side job they do, that is why testing takes always so long. They have much more serious tasks and much more serious customers as we are. Finally, they always perform chromatography twice for each sample and provide only double checked reports, which is as i suppose one of the main requirements to comply with standards above.

 

[biggerben69]

Run on sentences that are almost impossible to understand. Maddening. I'll try and read the above post shortly.

 

[Geterdun]

@Pharmacom Again, what do you have that's proves their testing is correct? A few pieces of paper? If your that easy to please, it makes a lot of sense.

 

[lightspan]

I'm going to jump in here in defense of SIMEC. They are a medchem CRO (contract research organization) with ISO and Swiss Gov't certification.

Analytic testing of steroids for AL or p'com probably comprises about 0.01% of their business. Once upon a time in another life I was a medicinal chemist. From experience I can tell you these CROs live and die by their accreditation and audits. The idea that they are going to fake results for anyone and risk their accreditation, much less for customers who are merely a drop in the ocean in terms of total revenue, makes no sense.

Furthermore, they're in Switzerland, which is the only reason they can and are willing to test these products. Typical Swiss approach to the law - fuck the rest of the world, we do what we want and we do it with a precision which is the envy of everyone else.

Pharmacom may be crooked as fuck. Who knows? SIMEC, them I trust. Those
"Pieces of Paper" are verifiable with the Swiss government and ISO.

Now once the results leave the hands of SIMEC, all bets are off. But if you independently verify (call them) the results with SIMEC you'll get what the numbers actually are (assuming they will talk to you, common practice is they would tell you to piss off of yore not the customer).

 

[AlphaLife]

I just had to pull their dbol out of my cycle. My gyno flared something fierce only a few days in. Guess I could send mine off to see since I can't run it anyways

I don't have gyno but I had gyno symptoms--dime sized lump, tenderness--at 20mg. Removed it after 4 weeks and lump is shrinking on its own. Mine was definitely legit.

 

[AlphaLife]

I'm going to jump in here in defense of SIMEC. They are a medchem CRO (contract research organization) with ISO and Swiss Gov't certification.

Analytic testing of steroids for AL or p'com probably comprises about 0.01% of their business. Once upon a time in another life I was a medicinal chemist. From experience I can tell you these CROs live and die by their accreditation and audits. The idea that they are going to fake results for anyone and risk their accreditation, much less for customers who are merely a drop in the ocean in terms of total revenue, makes no sense.

Furthermore, they're in Switzerland, which is the only reason they can and are willing to test these products. Typical Swiss approach to the law - fuck the rest of the world, we do what we want and we do it with a precision which is the envy of everyone else.

Pharmacom may be crooked as fuck. Who knows? SIMEC, them I trust. Those
"Pieces of Paper" are verifiable with the Swiss government and ISO.

Now once the results leave the hands of SIMEC, all bets are off. But if you independently verify (call them) the results with SIMEC you'll get what the numbers actually are (assuming they will talk to you, common practice is they would tell you to piss off of yore not the customer).

These guys are too uneducated to understand what you're writing bro. Those who aren't idiots already know why Simec is legit.

These guys are just angry that they are losers and will never amount to jack shit so they try to bring others down to make themselves feel better. They're too fucking stupid and lazy to actually do research or read anything. They could never even brew accurately dosed test much less start a UGL. They're just trolls. They take up space on the board and contribute nothing. No bloods, no lab tests, nothing. Just psycho babble.

 

[Geterdun]

@AlphaLife @lightspan

That's great their approved by the Government. I remember years back Tylenol had poison found in their pills. Would you agree that company is much bigger and has those same pieces of paper from the Government? It's not hard to say look, Simec says our stuff is fine, but it's also just as easy to send out bunk product. Sure seems funny there have been a lot of people complaining about their DBol. Too, I don't just look at a source for good product, because that product needs to make it to me to use it. Also, I tend to look at customer service first. I mean lets be real, you eat with your eyes and nose first and if it looks bad and smells bad, I'm not ordering it again.

 

[bickel29]

@AlphaLife @lightspan

That's great their approved by the Government. I remember years back Tylenol had poison found in their pills. Would you agree that company is much bigger and has those same pieces of paper from the Government? It's not hard to say look, Simec says our stuff is fine, but it's also just as easy to send out bunk product. Sure seems funny there have been a lot of people complaining about their DBol. Too, I don't just look at a source for good product, because that product needs to make it to me to use it. Also, I tend to look at customer service first. I mean lets be real, you eat with your eyes and nose first and if it looks bad and smells bad, I'm not ordering it again.

Dude, are you referring to the Tylenol poisonings of 1982? If so, those poisonings are believed to have occurred to the Tylenol bottles AFTER the Tylenol left the factory!!! How the hell would that reflect on Tylenol's quality control and testing at their facilities???

Simec is a world recognized, accredited, licensed testing lab.

So it's not good enough that Pcom is willing to cover the cost of testing, but now we are casting doubt on the testing facility they are using?

Look I am all for holding UGL'S responsible, and I have never used Pcom, and there are things you can complain about regarding Pcom, but trying to crap on Simec for the fact that not every single vial and pill is good? Come on, man...

 

[AlphaLife]

@AlphaLife @lightspan

That's great their approved by the Government. I remember years back Tylenol had poison found in their pills. Would you agree that company is much bigger and has those same pieces of paper from the Government? It's not hard to say look, Simec says our stuff is fine, but it's also just as easy to send out bunk product. Sure seems funny there have been a lot of people complaining about their DBol. Too, I don't just look at a source for good product, because that product needs to make it to me to use it. Also, I tend to look at customer service first. I mean lets be real, you eat with your eyes and nose first and if it looks bad and smells bad, I'm not ordering it again.

I'm skeptical of anyone who bashes any source without doing any lab test, bloodwork, etc. It's far more likely that you work for a competitor than that Simec is accepting bribes from Pharmacom. Both are possible, but haters without proof are much more likely shills for another lab.

Personally I've never had any issue with any of their products or customer service. I'm either lucky or the haters are planted by competitors.

 

[Geterdun]

I'm not crapping on anyone. I'm only saying that just because a testing facility has a few accreditation's doesn't make all of Pcoms product legit. To be completely honest, their customer service alone, which I have already stated, pulled me out from continuing to order from them.

Yes, that's what I was speaking to. This just proves my point even more. Just because Simec say goof, doesn't mean nothing happened after.

I ran their Test, DBol and Tren, can't complain on products being bad for me. However, I can complain on customer service, which is what I'm saying. Not sure which blood work would tell us their customer service was good? [emoji6]