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Come on dude, read. He already explained this.
I'll have to take your word for it. I just don't have what it takes at this point in my day to read the post that's one enormous block of text.
I don't recall the new members handle but please for the sake of all members who will surrender even before reading the first sentence.....have mercy, be kind, break the wall down using paragraphs.
Sup, @Wunderpus? I think I share your thoughts, somewhat, in regards to this member.
After reading his posts it's easy to conclude that he's above average intelligence wise. He writes very well and I'm right there with him and can relate as I have felt and at some point over the years may have been in his shoes.
He leaves me with a feeling of disappointment. Almost as if he could have done more. He did a nice job explaining himself. Then he shows off a little with the blood work papers.
Underachieving is what we witnessed here today.
@Diego1580, you took shortcuts and you seem to be content with half measures? You are only willing to put a certain amount of your energy into this thing. It's your call. I can respect that decision.
He accepts the limitations and is willing to forego replacement gear or the discounts that go along with following protocall.
If Diego put his heart into this project I'm certain we'd all get something out of the experience. It's just not that important to him. He's satisfied himself and anything else he does isn't going to change the truths and facts as he knows them to be.
Yes, labs and bloods and all the other things that have become required and expected to be done with monetary expenses usually picked up by the large source and then the member going through the motions of setting appointments and then following through, etc etc etc.
I understand the position this member is taking. It's MY position. The way we approach the compounds and the methods we use to gauge our level of satisfaction with a labs products are not considered thorough and could easily and perhaps accurately be described as noobish and not acceptable by most.
I'll defend my position by pointing out that you won't find any posts that I've ever made singing the praises of or pushing members to get to the Dr and ship off samples.
You won't find any posts from me arguing that a labs gear is underdosed or that I want replacement gear for something I'm not happy with.
I serve a purpose on the boards I frequent. It's always been that way. I make it a point not to accept free gear. I don't post logs laying out my dosages or give play by play narratives about gear or my workouts.
I'm set in my ways and I'm not willing to do my thing any differently. I know what works for me and what doesn't. I'm gonna say it.... I can FEEL it. I know what 600mg of Tren/ew and 800mg of Test E/ew feels like and looks like while it's coursing through my veins. I don't post about these feelings because the posts mean nothing to anyone but me.
The labs and tests and all the great advances that have been made have given the consumer a measure of control that has been a good thing. It holds the sources and their suppliers accountable like never before.
As wonderful as the changes are, they aren't my department. People know where to look for me and know what they can expect from me.
the solution is simple. you are sure the gear is underdosed. send this product to Simec. if it is really underdosed Pharmacom will completely cover all testing expenses and replace you all items ordered. If it is not, you pay for testing. this will be our standard solution now. You are so sure you are right, prove it.
I researched blood results and experiences from pharmacom before ordering and it seems their test e is legitimate though somewhat underdosed going by what some members say. At least you can work around that by doing higher dosages and having bloodwork regularly.
Point is though, you aren't ordering vitamin d through amazon. It's never gonna be that precise. I'm just glad they aren't some shit outfit like lixus labs that was selling olive oil as test. Not much more I can ask from a source that is willing to come under scrutiny on a place like this, has good customer support and is willing to pay for you to test their gear.
Definitely gonna have bloods to see if their product is good. Will post them here when it's done.
Point is though, you aren't ordering vitamin d through amazon. It's never gonna be that precise. I'm just glad they aren't some shit outfit like lixus labs that was selling olive oil as test. Not much more I can ask from a source that is willing to come under scrutiny on a place like this, has good customer support and is willing to pay for you to test their gear.
Definitely gonna have bloods to see if their product is good. Will post them here when it's done.
I just droned on and on about how the member you are referring to will NOT go through the motions you suggest. He made it pretty clear he wouldn't be sending vials around the globe or poking and prodding his body in an attempt to analyze blood.
@Pharmacom Labs, I realize you're busy but if you took the time to read the posts members are taking the time to construct and put up. I wouldn't expect you to read every thread on our board but I would expect you to take the time to read threads that are created by YOUR customers and are concerned specifically with your products. Your apparent lack of motivation to take a different approach....or a good idea may be to take additional steps along with your generic and "go to" response of sending out your gear and then sitting back and enjoying the quiet as members are expected to wait patiently for results that don't appear to be coming back any time soon.
It's clear, to me at least, that @Diego1580 isn't going to bite and get caught up in the obvious problems simec is having. There appears to be delays that will be turning into several months before results are returned.
I suggest you and the entire team of pharmacom employees from both camps take some time to come up with some ideas on how to get out in front of what has clearly become a steady influx of the usual concerns along with what SHOULD be a serious concern to all of those affiliated with pharmacom. I'm talking about complaints and concerns surrounding issues that haven't been seen by members here up until now.
It is becoming more clear.as time goes by and more pharmacom customers come forward that there are possible safety issues possibly being related to sterility procedures as we just heard of multiple infections that at the very least need to be discussed.
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CdnGuy
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Funny you should mention send it too simec. Seems when someone does just that (Pharmacom gear).The test is just delayed and delayed and for what reasons ? Makes the little wheels in my brain start turning.
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Simec told us they have delays until August. In August they are moving to another facility or buying some new columns, something like this, so they promised tests will be carried out faster.
What would you offer? Do you know other trusted ways to test gear? The fact we are offering it is a big step forward because I am sure you know what most of the sources would reply if somebody complained some of their products are bunk. Simec is an absolutely trusted solutions of situations like here. If you know any other, please share it with us. I personally don`t know. But what i know and what i am sure about is the quality of our products, that is why i always skeptically consider any complains about bunk Pharmacom gear. I also fully understand that it is absolutely not correct to suspect every person complaining about bad experience in trials to ruin our reputation or get freebies, etc. But our experience shows only one thing: if we start replacing items at first complain without finding the truth the amount of such complains sent to our email increases noticeably. What does it mean? Let everyone make his/her conclusions.
The way we offered is the golden mean allowing the customer to prove him being right if this is the case, or making it possible for us to verify the quality of our products in an independent test. Which is the most important, we don`t send any samples from our warehouse. The customer is always offered to send exactly his sample. If he/she does not wanna spend 15-20 minutes of his time to send an envelope with sample to Simec, this means he is not really concerned with the quality of his products. Thee is one just undeniable thing: if someone wanna something he does it. If not, he does not wanna this and does not matter at all what excuses he/she finds for this. If i being a customer had suspected some gear to be bunk and had the opportunity to get it tested without expenses from my side and get full replacement if i am right, i would for sure do it. Without a second of hesitation.
There is just no other trusted way out because we will never admit that our gear can be bunk if we know for sure it is not. As well as we will never replace something based only on the feelings of a customer.
This is an obvious situation, if you buy something and come back to the seller with complaints that it does not work like you expected no one will replace it for free without any evidence provided. If you buy say Optimum Nutrition protein and do not feel any gains/energy/recovery or whatever you expect from it why don`t you come to the seller and tell him it is bunk - i wanna get it replaced? Even if you do the reply of the seller will be obvious. Most of the sellers will not consider you seriously and will not replace anything. I am speaking about legal stuff now!
We are offering an individual approach and unique opportunity to prove your point of view. In fact this is already much more than any protein seller would do. Any expertise takes time, this is what we shall deal with. So i do not see any reasons to be unsatisfied with the way we offer. Who really wanna he will do it. Like Sampei for example. He probably questioned if 500 mg/ml dosages are possible. He sent vials, he got results. We covered all expenses and replaced vials he sent if i remember right. There could be no better solution.
There are just people of action and there are so could "couch experts" who always find to complain something, whose working wights are over 150-200 kg in internet and even not 100kg in reality.
Actually, i noticed, serious grown-up people they very seldom get involved into different discussions. They make purchases, receive, use and stay happy or if not, contact us privately and get all problems solved within hours without "i don`t have time to do it, i am very busy", etc. If they need it, they just do it. Without a word.
Most of those who begin threads with complains like - i used dbol and test e and lot of other gear in stack - and got only 2-3 pounds for 9 weeks - they even don`t know how to administer one or another product, how to eat, how to work out. And they say - i am not going to send it for - i am so busy - reason. There could be a thousand and one reasons why it worked or did not work. Weight gains are also not an indicator. Neither you nor me know who is behind the other side of the display. Probably someone started a cycle at 30% fat and yes he did not gain weight, but even did not notice re-composition of his body. Or did you see his body bioimpedance results?
I for example don`t feel oxandrolone and primo at all. does not matter what dosage, however this does not mean they are bunk.
To cut it short, i have too reach experience and i personally know how our production works to take on trust someone`s complains. For me everything is simple. As is said, if someone is not satisfied with the quality he will subject it to an examination as all people in an civilized society do. All other idle talks and excuses are bullshit. Any sensible person would agree with me and be glad about the civilized examination methods we offer.
Sorry for mistakes, i typed it very fast.
in some cases simec needs to order reference samples which can delay the final report up to 3 month. Thosу samples are ordered from verified repositories and include all respective certificates, etc. For example, we are currently waiting for results of our cabergoline raws (and many others), this is the reason.
Also Simec has lot of orders and limited resources. In August they shall extend their capabilities as far as i understood.
In some cases there are no definitely outlined testing criteria and verified methods. As far as i know, this is why they currently can not test masteron.
The main reason for delays is workload. Hopefully they will increase their capacities in August.
I haven't been an active participant in Pharmacom threads as things were being handled adequately. I'd like to ask @Darius PharmacomStore, the Frank associated with pharmacom, @Pharmacom Helper, @Pharmacokinetics Labs, and any other reps I may have overlooked, to take the time to get together to discuss amongst yourselves the current state of affairs and the growing number of problems.
I'd then like you all to come to us as a board and let us know the new plan to correct or address these issues.
I'm going to give you my thoughts as things stand right now. I'm very concerned with the number of problems being reported and what appears to be issues throughout the organization in every area. From a possible issue in bottling...to shipping..to possible potency.
Then there are concerns about properly identifying vials shipped "stealth". There doesn't seem to be a firm and consistent method to be sure what is what in orders received.
I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling that member safety and product consistency/quality as well as overall and specific areas in customer service have taken a position of secondary concern behind what feels like an all out push to increase sales at all costs.
When I see members reporting being hospitalized with what sounds like infections specific to what is being introduced from a specific vial or vials things need to slow down and a plan dealing with how to move forward needs to be discussed and agreed upon.
When I see these red flags and issue after issue being brought to the pharmacom team who in turn handles an order that had been shipped but then returned while promising a reship because of an error on their part and then pharmacom cant locate the pack or info related to it. Each rep gave the member a promise to ship but each had a different thought on who was to blame for it not being located. Then our member in what looked at an attempt to silence the member by producing SOMETHING/ANYTHING throwing the first thing they could find which was the original tracking # for the pack that was returned. No effort was made to confirm what was offered as a solution was a solution. It imstead served as another example of members being treated to sub par service.
The last straw......or the thing I witnessed that moved me to act was when aan obviously intelligent and unhappy and dissatisfied customer starts a thread that was well written and articulated and expressed his concerns with pharmacom ptoduct he purchased and used.
The rep for pharmacon quickly and without consideration was able to solve the problem/situation with what has come to resemble a way to pass the buck and silence unhappy customers without any attempt to help out or give some measure of customer service.
The rep upon being made aware of an issue but without exploring the issue to possibly help our member makes a post that read like the rep was going to play his trump card and with an arrogant tone along with a tone that felt like there was to be no other option.
What pissed me off beyond the down playing all these examples of issues that all happened within the last 8 hours and while not concerned with this sudden rush of problems and the only part of the pharmacom biz wanting to deal with is putting as much of the potentially problem gear out on the street as fast as possible and collect paymet.
This rep knew simec was eitther backed up and results were being delayed a number of months or samples were no longer being accepted. The rep was aware of this but made no attempt to explain this to the member. The reps answer to this problem was to not consider the members plight. He had no other choice. Here was an unsatisfied member who was being told his opinions and experience meant nothing. This rep had taken payment from this member and when the customer felt he had been sold bunk gear was prepared to not inform the member of the several months that would go by before results would be known.
The customer was left with nothing to show for his purchase. Only a "we'll call when we get results".
The group of people that rep pharmacom here have ZERO overhead and have overtime eliminated any kind of responsibility they may have had or felt they had.
Pharmacom and the sales crew are wanting to ignore the rush of issues piling up. The one thing that they have a concern about and see through to completion is the sale and the exchange of money that ends up in the pockets of the reps.
If there isn't a big change in how meso members are handled I will personally do.all I can to stop the flow of money into pharnacoms pockets by running off buyers of their profuct. Where do we go from herre?
I'd then like you all to come to us as a board and let us know the new plan to correct or address these issues.
I'm going to give you my thoughts as things stand right now. I'm very concerned with the number of problems being reported and what appears to be issues throughout the organization in every area. From a possible issue in bottling...to shipping..to possible potency.
Then there are concerns about properly identifying vials shipped "stealth". There doesn't seem to be a firm and consistent method to be sure what is what in orders received.
I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling that member safety and product consistency/quality as well as overall and specific areas in customer service have taken a position of secondary concern behind what feels like an all out push to increase sales at all costs.
When I see members reporting being hospitalized with what sounds like infections specific to what is being introduced from a specific vial or vials things need to slow down and a plan dealing with how to move forward needs to be discussed and agreed upon.
When I see these red flags and issue after issue being brought to the pharmacom team who in turn handles an order that had been shipped but then returned while promising a reship because of an error on their part and then pharmacom cant locate the pack or info related to it. Each rep gave the member a promise to ship but each had a different thought on who was to blame for it not being located. Then our member in what looked at an attempt to silence the member by producing SOMETHING/ANYTHING throwing the first thing they could find which was the original tracking # for the pack that was returned. No effort was made to confirm what was offered as a solution was a solution. It imstead served as another example of members being treated to sub par service.
The last straw......or the thing I witnessed that moved me to act was when aan obviously intelligent and unhappy and dissatisfied customer starts a thread that was well written and articulated and expressed his concerns with pharmacom ptoduct he purchased and used.
The rep for pharmacon quickly and without consideration was able to solve the problem/situation with what has come to resemble a way to pass the buck and silence unhappy customers without any attempt to help out or give some measure of customer service.
The rep upon being made aware of an issue but without exploring the issue to possibly help our member makes a post that read like the rep was going to play his trump card and with an arrogant tone along with a tone that felt like there was to be no other option.
What pissed me off beyond the down playing all these examples of issues that all happened within the last 8 hours and while not concerned with this sudden rush of problems and the only part of the pharmacom biz wanting to deal with is putting as much of the potentially problem gear out on the street as fast as possible and collect paymet.
This rep knew simec was eitther backed up and results were being delayed a number of months or samples were no longer being accepted. The rep was aware of this but made no attempt to explain this to the member. The reps answer to this problem was to not consider the members plight. He had no other choice. Here was an unsatisfied member who was being told his opinions and experience meant nothing. This rep had taken payment from this member and when the customer felt he had been sold bunk gear was prepared to not inform the member of the several months that would go by before results would be known.
The customer was left with nothing to show for his purchase. Only a "we'll call when we get results".
The group of people that rep pharmacom here have ZERO overhead and have overtime eliminated any kind of responsibility they may have had or felt they had.
Pharmacom and the sales crew are wanting to ignore the rush of issues piling up. The one thing that they have a concern about and see through to completion is the sale and the exchange of money that ends up in the pockets of the reps.
If there isn't a big change in how meso members are handled I will personally do.all I can to stop the flow of money into pharnacoms pockets by running off buyers of their profuct. Where do we go from herre?
CdnGuy
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Great suggestions and post BB69. Hate to be negative but imo the machine known as Pharmacom got big too quick. And now is running at full speed with no brakes!!!!!
MitchFit
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Ok. It would very helpful to the community if you posted proof you had the gear. And posted the expiration date / lot number. Also post the code that shows it is legit pharmacom gear. This will be more helpful to the community giving more evidence that you are legit.
Or you can refuse, say you don't care, and look more suspicious. I'm already suspicious with you being a new account and all.
Don't even think about about posting someone else's pharmacom gear. We will find out.
For now, you're a brand new account. Your claims are sketchy at best. You're not credible whatsoever.
So what is this thread about even?
CdnGuy
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I'm going to say a Pharmacom customer that isn't happy with the response he received from them. So OP is going public with his issues. No?
I guess. Sounds like a jealous hit piece. Can I get the cliffnotes for the novel?
Jeremiahflex
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He inject, he lift, no gainz, unhappy
CdnGuy
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Fuck bro your new favorite saying hey ? Lol
please post the exact numbered list of issues which need to be solved. i do not see any growing amount of problems. there are no problems at all, there are some situations and solutions. give an exact list and we will reply one by one.
Do you personally have concerns? Have you contacted me at least once regarding this? If you had you would have receive an absolutely definite method description how to identify those vials. If you say this, you even did not try to ask me. Otherwise you would not have any concerns.
any customer having such issues would first of all contact us and report the situation. such questions are not discussed/solved in public. i mean not that he did not have to post it here. this is his full right of course. i mean that he did not even address us personally regarding his situation. he did not ask us about anything. biggerben69, stop speaking like a small child. The safety of members depends by 90% on members only. For those who has any doubts and concerns we offered an civilized method called chromatography. This info was advertised everywhere, on site, on boards, per emails. Those who indeed have doubts contact us and take advantage of the offer. No other source offered it before us. So what you say about customers safety? We, those who pay for individual testing of customer`s products don`t care about customers? Really? Show me the better service.
Finally i mentioned lot of times that you can email us or post here any suggestions about how we can improve our service. Show me where have you found the last or any definite suggestion about what can be improved? Well, probably in NAPS thread about safety today. And i gave an absolutely definite reply. Everyone who is concerned with his personal info being stored in our database can delete it on his own. On Monday we will gather and discuss how we can delete all other info without any negative impact on our customer service. Within next week, i think, it will be completely realized. If there are any rational suggestions we for sure react and reply to them. However i do not see a lot of rational behavior in this thread. The biggest part of it is junk.
What are you speaking about? Which exactly case you mean? Do you know that most of the customers saying we sent wrong items or we indicated wrong address - in 95% those customers are guilty in what happened. We never change addresses. If a package was returned back it means only one thing - the customer filled the address info wrong. For some reason lot of customers write the first name in the field - full name and the second name in the field - address. So the address is missing in fact, postal men can not find it and ships it back. Is it our fault? Obviously not. If someone can not even correctly fill the fields why shall we be liable for this? However, in lot of cases i still agree to reship even such orders. We never do mistakes in the addresses, because we always print them out as is.
Of course there are some mistakes from our side, but there was no one case which stayed not taken care of.
You are speaking about something you even don`t have any idea about. I am tired of idle accusations. Show me definite situations not taken care of and than we continue this subject on a definite example with detailed explanations.
which thread? this thread you mean?
how adroitly you are trying to manipulate people`s mind.
Thу thread was started with a request to Darius. As far as i understand it was sent to his email. I am sure Darius will find what to reply here when he is online. But now I am online and I am replying here. Probably Darius even agrees to replace items of this customer, this is his right. And this is most probably the most convenient way for the customer - to get replacement. Probably Darius would prefer to settle this situation in a calm manner through replacing those items and just let this tread be lost among lot of other threads. If i cared only about money and only about good reviews I would probably do the same thing. There is only one small thing... this fucking solution is not a solution at all. It is good only for that definite customer and probably partly for the seller to keep his positive reputation - kind of - look, i am so good, i replace those items, don`t worry.
But there is no way this is an optimum solution of the situation. This is probably the worst solution which only could be for both the entire community and the manufacturer. If items are just replaced no one will know the truth. The entire community does not win from this at all. That solution is a win for one person and the disaster for the whole community. Fuck that source who is just replacing items trying to keep the situation off the radar. You might not like what I am saying, but I absolutely don`t care if this is about the quality of our products. Since when I may not defend?
I gave an absolutely correct reply. If you (someone) think the gear is bunk, your words will not be enough to deal with us. Remember it. Any manufacturer of absolutely does not matter what will subject an item to examination. If you by a smartphone and something breaks, the seller does not replace it just based on your words. It is examined and only after this the reason is found and decision taken, whether to replace it or not. The same with absolutely any item. So, tell me why on earth we shall step back from this practice? Everyone has to wait in such situations. This is not the reason to skip it. Yes Simec is currently not taking orders. But they will in 10-15 days. There is also another french lab - Millard tested the gear there. If he helps with contact data, etc - it is possible to negotiate with them. I see no one reason why examination shall be not carried out. And if the customer does not wanna do it... i have already described in details in one of my latest posts here what does it mean.
Finally, exactly in this case I do not believe this customer. We have already had one trying to deceive us.
What do we see here.
A newbie here saying he is 50, 12% fat, 25+ years of training,etc... all the info making us thing he is a guy who for sure knows what he does... Maybe so is it. I have no one evidence to oppose to it. As well as no one of us has any proof this is true!
What next:
So, what do i think.
1. ok, dosages match here. at least some one was able to calculate them correctly.. lol.
2. he is 5'10 205lbs. 12% B.F. After as reach experience as he says, after so many cycles he is only 205 lbs and 5'10 tall? For me personally this is an odd index.
3. let`s try to measure his very rough BMR. Let`s take this site for example
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http://www.myfitnesspal.com/tools/bmr-calculator4.i will never believe into what he is saying. He can be Mr. Olympia, this means nothing at all without proves. There is no single reason for us to replace his items. Well, he even does not ask us to replace them. He says only he hopes Pharmacom will show better results in future. Isn`t it odd? How many customers would just write a negative review and even not ask about replacements?
5. I will never never believe that several products were bunk. Testosterone - 3 vials. Trenbolone - 3 vials. Fuck. how come nobody can understand it is just impossible that only 1-3-5-10 vials are bunk and the rest of the batch is ok. Some deviations within the same batch are possible due to oil temperature/viscosity/mixing capacities, etc. . But 1,2,3...10 vials will never be bunk if all other vials within the same batch are fine. This is just an undeniable fact which as for me even does not need to be explained. Or people just have no idea how a mass production works.
6. Finally, it is absolutely does not matter what I am thinking about the whole situation. Nodoby does not fucking care about it. Fuck it.
There was a situation described. I offered the only possible decision. Yes, Simec, ot other lab. Examination, this is the way to find whether the gear is ok or not.
biggerben69 , if you are so pissed off with my reply this is only your issue. I offered an absolutely adequate solution. If the customer does not agree with it, this is his decision. As I said above, those who wanna get items replaced let them examine. Anything else are idle excuses. Obviously such reviews will not be considered as sufficient for a replacement. Of course Darius takes decisions on his own, but basicstero will not replace anything in similar cases.
Pharmacom Labs has full right to defend own products and yes our products are of high quality until the opposite is proven. Everyone has the opportunity to prove his rightfulness on our expenses. There could be no better customer service.
For some reason i see only criers without any tiniest evidence within weeks, months and even years. There are always a lot of dissatisfied people trying to shift the responsibility to someone else, but never admitting own liability. This is the fact.
Jeremiahflex
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Made Frank bust out the math
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