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[Dema]

so you would rather inject for 6 weeks to see how it works than test it and not pin at all if it is fake ?

If this proves labmax is unreliable then what's the point of testing it?

 

[shmad]

By the way we reship for free seized, lost, damaged orders for the second time, so you don`t really have to concern if you entered delivery address correct.

I made two orders, one just landed Monday but the other one supposedly was delivered Saturday and I have a feeling the Damned mail carrier left it sitting on the side of the road, which in my trailer park means it was stolen immediately. Called the post office to find out what happened and of course they're no help at all. I do have a claim number which kind of scares the crap out of me. also the fact that there's a pack of gear floating around somewhere with my name on it is making me a little queasy also. Frank what is the procedure for having the order reshipped in this scenario, or am i shit out of luck. I checked your f.a.q. but didn't see any details.

 

[Mechanics]

I made two orders, one just landed Monday but the other one supposedly was delivered Saturday and I have a feeling the Damned mail carrier left it sitting on the side of the road, which in my trailer park means it was stolen immediately. Called the post office to find out what happened and of course they're no help at all. I do have a claim number which kind of scares the crap out of me. also the fact that there's a pack of gear floating around somewhere with my name on it is making me a little queasy also. Frank what is the procedure for having the order reshipped in this scenario, or am i shit out of luck. I checked your f.a.q. but didn't see any details.

Sounds like you should get a small po box

 

[Masters Power]

I made two orders, one just landed Monday but the other one supposedly was delivered Saturday and I have a feeling the Damned mail carrier left it sitting on the side of the road, which in my trailer park means it was stolen immediately. Called the post office to find out what happened and of course they're no help at all. I do have a claim number which kind of scares the crap out of me. also the fact that there's a pack of gear floating around somewhere with my name on it is making me a little queasy also. Frank what is the procedure for having the order reshipped in this scenario, or am i shit out of luck. I checked your f.a.q. but didn't see any details.

Hard to believe that "Delivery stolen from trailer park" isn't in the frequently asked question section.

 

[shmad]

Im actually going to do that this week. the first package was supposedly delivered Saturday and was not my usual carrier, who would normally leave it on the front porch, as this has happened before, and I already have called and raise hell as I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can drive 100 feet into my neighborhood and think that you can just leave a fucking package on the side of the road.

 

[shmad]

Hard to believe that "Delivery stolen from trailer park" isn't in the frequently asked question section.

Yah i know right ?

no but in all seriousness I meant as to the procedure for lost shipments. I have been reading this thread since the beginning and did see what sort of information was needed if you had a seizure. and I don't know if it was stolen it could have been delivered to the wrong address, I'm just assuming that due to past experiences and how crappy this fucking neighborhood is. it is however lost. i plan to be buying a new home next year, but I think in the interim the p.o box is the way to go. Unless any of you vets think it's a bad idea.

 

[naturalkon]

Yah i know right ?

no but in all seriousness I meant as to the procedure for lost shipments. I have been reading this thread since the beginning and did see what sort of information was needed if you had a seizure. and I don't know if it was stolen it could have been delivered to the wrong address, I'm just assuming that due to past experiences and how crappy this fucking neighborhood is. it is however lost. i plan to be buying a new home next year, but I think in the interim the p.o box is the way to go. Unless any of you vets think it's a bad idea.

I mean the idea of re shipping something on the sources behalf would be based on their inability to get it through customs and to your front door. It seems they upheld their side of the agreement. Not many sources I know of would consider that their fault.

 

[naturalkon]

I don't know this but what is stopping frank from sending simec like 5 grand or some figure to make sure these npp vial test in their favor. All I know is there is a ton of money at play here and I don't trust anyone when money is involved.

 

[Mechanics]

Im actually going to do that this week. the first package was supposedly delivered Saturday and was not my usual carrier, who would normally leave it on the front porch, as this has happened before, and I already have called and raise hell as I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can drive 100 feet into my neighborhood and think that you can just leave a fucking package on the side of the road.

Yeah I would check with post office

Yah i know right ?

no but in all seriousness I meant as to the procedure for lost shipments. I have been reading this thread since the beginning and did see what sort of information was needed if you had a seizure. and I don't know if it was stolen it could have been delivered to the wrong address, I'm just assuming that due to past experiences and how crappy this fucking neighborhood is. it is however lost. i plan to be buying a new home next year, but I think in the interim the p.o box is the way to go. Unless any of you vets think it's a bad idea.

Yeah man I don't see any fault on pharmacom behalf .
Not saying that you did not receive it. But when they look and check package status it says that it reach it's destination and that's what they see.
So it is basically your word against the post office . And I can tell you this . The source is not going to raise hell to the shipper(even if they Fuck up occasionally) because they are what makes this happen for us.
So best advice to you . Check with post office . And be cool with them and if they don't have it
Forget about it and move on . Msg frank tell him what happened and reorder and he is a good dude he will probably cut u a break for ur troubles.
But we get fucked every now and then . But hey that's life
Take it as lesson learned

 

[shmad]

I mean the idea of re shipping something on the sources behalf would be based on their inability to get it through customs and to your front door. It seems they upheld their side of the agreement. Not many sources I know of would consider that their fault.

I agree. And the usps site did show a gps map saying it was scaned when deliverd at my address, or verry near it any way. Frank did his part and i dont doubt it. damn substitute postman

 

[kaizoku]

I feel for you on this. I do not understand how a company that goes so far with labels and marketing could make a move like this. Furthermore, why is it that they continue to thrive with bad results, please help me out with this. I'm sure you've seen the primo results on anaboliclabs. This makes a guy feel like the game is rigged and for the most part there is a fix in place.

Because at the end of the day, fancy packaging and marketing aside, Pharmacom is still just another UGL.

Granted, a UGL whose products seem to consistently pass testing, but still a UGL.

I personally think, that labmax is not reliable for testing oil-based final products.
But it does not matter. RThoads sends one vial of this NPP to Simec and we get 100% reliable results within 2-3 weeks.

There are too many variables to labmax to say it is 100% reliable, but I won't say labmax is not reliable until the Simec results come back.

Every one of your products I've tested via labmax has come back as what their color chart has said it should be except the NPP.

If it wasn't reliable @RThoads and I wouldn't have had the same results from testing the same product, which look the same as test cyp.

I have a vial of human grade test cyp from the pharmacy in my stash I can labmax and I would bet the results will come back the same as the pharm test cyp that @RThoads and others have posted.

Labmax is pretty consistent.

Only thing I've ever had falsely fail labmax was test prop from another lab.

I have no agenda here other than wanting to get what I pay for. I had my doubts at first but I've order 5 or 6 times from you and been happy with the products and the results...except for this.

Side note: didn't someone send Simec a vial of Pharmacom test cyp after bloodwork came back low? Curious to see what happened with the results.

 

[kaizoku]

Now I'm curious to see how Pharmacom Test Cyp looks when labmaxed...not sure how many kits I have left but if I have one I can spare I'll test and post it up over the weekend

Edit: Just saw in the lab testing forum that @RThoads already posted LM results on Pharmacom Test Cyp...and the NPP looks exactly like it.

 

[flenser]

I don't know this but what is stopping frank from sending simec like 5 grand or some figure to make sure these npp vial test in their favor. All I know is there is a ton of money at play here and I don't trust anyone when money is involved.

If it completely disagrees with labmax, it's for certain another lab will be receiving samples to test.

 

[Masters Power]

Because at the end of the day, fancy packaging and marketing aside, Pharmacom is still just another UGL.

Granted, a UGL whose products seem to consistently pass testing, but still a UGL.



There are too many variables to labmax to say it is 100% reliable, but I won't say labmax is not reliable until the Simec results come back.

Every one of your products I've tested via labmax has come back as what their color chart has said it should be except the NPP.

If it wasn't reliable @RThoads and I wouldn't have had the same results from testing the same product, which look the same as test cyp.

I have a vial of human grade test cyp from the pharmacy in my stash I can labmax and I would bet the results will come back the same as the pharm test cyp that @RThoads and others have posted.

Labmax is pretty consistent.

Only thing I've ever had falsely fail labmax was test prop from another lab.

I have no agenda here other than wanting to get what I pay for. I had my doubts at first but I've order 5 or 6 times from you and been happy with the products and the results...except for this.

Side note: didn't someone send Simec a vial of Pharmacom test cyp after bloodwork came back low? Curious to see what happened with the results.

Thanks for running the labmax kaizoku. I have no doubt you are just trying to determine what you have as well as help the members here out.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that Pharmacom's NPP has been solid in the past. With as much product as they deliver if there is a bad batch of NPP I have no doubt plenty of guys will be coming forward with complaints. I know it is said to be bro science but NPP has a significant positive impact on joint pain for a lot of guys in a way that other AAS doesn't.

 

[kaizoku]

Thanks for running the labmax kaizoku. I have no doubt you are just trying to determine what you have as well as help the members here out.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that Pharmacom's NPP has been solid in the past. With as much product as they deliver if there is a bad batch of NPP I have no doubt plenty of guys will be coming forward with complaints. I know it is said to be bro science but NPP has a significant positive impact on joint pain for a lot of guys in a way that other AAS doesn't.

From what I've seen there have only been two or three anecdotal accounts about the NPP. Are there more I've missed?

Also, I'm a skeptic by nature, but solid evidence (like lab testing) will always bring me around.

Right now the NPP looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, so...

 

[RThoads]

...
Side note: didn't someone send Simec a vial of Pharmacom test cyp after bloodwork came back low? Curious to see what happened with the results.

I was thinking about this also. I remember a week or so back someone posted bloods and said he was going to get another set of bloods to make sure it was reliable and then also sending the test cyp in to be analysed.

Anyone remember who it was or if there are any updates posted anywhere regarding the cyp?

 

[Docd187123]

so you would rather inject for 6 weeks to see how it works than test it and not pin at all if it is fake ?

Correct.

 

[rpbb]

I was thinking about this also. I remember a week or so back someone posted bloods and said he was going to get another set of bloods to make sure it was reliable and then also sending the test cyp in to be analysed.

Anyone remember who it was or if there are any updates posted anywhere regarding the cyp?

I remember that as well, it's several pages back in this thread. wonder if he sent it to simec. maybe frank can chime in, he was supposed to work with Frank to get him to pay for the testing

 

[kaizoku]

Update on test c

New bloodwork came back today. Pin was at 2.5 days from last pin (12 hours early compared to past dosing) blood drawn almost exactly 24 hours later. Total test was up @ 1579 but that is on ~585mg/week plus whatever variance pinning 12 hours early creates.

Will be sending an unopened vial to simec this week as I was waiting for this bloodwork to come back before I sent it out.

Found it.

@Allergy man any update to this?

 

[PHL Official]

I made two orders, one just landed Monday but the other one supposedly was delivered Saturday and I have a feeling the Damned mail carrier left it sitting on the side of the road, which in my trailer park means it was stolen immediately. Called the post office to find out what happened and of course they're no help at all. I do have a claim number which kind of scares the crap out of me. also the fact that there's a pack of gear floating around somewhere with my name on it is making me a little queasy also. Frank what is the procedure for having the order reshipped in this scenario, or am i shit out of luck. I checked your f.a.q. but didn't see any details.

well... this story sounds really strange for me... but what could me more strange as life itself... the fact that we are leaving on some huge and round piece of stone with liquid boiling metal in the center (Earth I mean), which is flying with unbelievable speed in vacuum around a huge star within milliards of years and the fact that there are billions of such systems and endless space around... this all is much more strange as your lost parcel... Yes i like to watch BBC films about universe So, ok, we will reship it. Just place another order and send me PM with its number.

Because at the end of the day, fancy packaging and marketing aside, Pharmacom is still just another UGL.

Granted, a UGL whose products seem to consistently pass testing, but still a UGL.



There are too many variables to labmax to say it is 100% reliable, but I won't say labmax is not reliable until the Simec results come back.

Every one of your products I've tested via labmax has come back as what their color chart has said it should be except the NPP.

If it wasn't reliable @RThoads and I wouldn't have had the same results from testing the same product, which look the same as test cyp.

I have a vial of human grade test cyp from the pharmacy in my stash I can labmax and I would bet the results will come back the same as the pharm test cyp that @RThoads and others have posted.

Labmax is pretty consistent.

Only thing I've ever had falsely fail labmax was test prop from another lab.

I have no agenda here other than wanting to get what I pay for. I had my doubts at first but I've order 5 or 6 times from you and been happy with the products and the results...except for this.

Side note: didn't someone send Simec a vial of Pharmacom test cyp after bloodwork came back low? Curious to see what happened with the results.

Now I'm curious to see how Pharmacom Test Cyp looks when labmaxed...not sure how many kits I have left but if I have one I can spare I'll test and post it up over the weekend

Edit: Just saw in the lab testing forum that @RThoads already posted LM results on Pharmacom Test Cyp...and the NPP looks exactly like it.

Guys, these talks bring nothing. There is a very easy and simple way to find out if npp is test cyp or not without waiting for lab results. Just pin it solo and take blood work. I even reimburse expenses. You will see that your test serum will not increase. It is enough to make 2-3 pins solo EOD and take bloodworks after one week. Even after this testosterone level would increase if it is test cyp there. Or stay at the same level if it is not test cyp. We need just a bloodwork before and after one week. only npp solo... let`s do it. 2-3 solo pins of npp for sure won`t bring any issues with health. So, i offer to do it. Any volunteers?