Please Help Terrible Pip from QSC gear

[mass gain]

I dont think he carries it rn. I bought it a few months ago

Just give gear that gives you PIP to Send0, he will try to smoke it cuz he smokes everything including cock but he certainly doesn't lift. The self proclaimed image of a gym rat but real life rec drug bag in reality.

But yeah dude, sometimes you get what you pay for. If you have tried multiple remedies and you still get crippling PIP, time to toss it.

Don't know if it has already been said but here are a few things; 1) Warm it up; 2) Inject smaller amounts like only 0.5 ml at a time; 3) cut it with GSO or CSO or Test in either of those

If you do all that and it still causes issues, get rid of it. Also make sure you are using nothing larger than 22 g cuz anything larger will also cause PIP.

 

[connoristiny]

You picked 2 of the most known PIP producing products on the market lol. Especially Bold Cyp. It’s always a nightmare. Sus it hit or miss with PIP but usually the prop ester is known for it too.

Did you not know this prior to ordering?

IME the best thing you can do if you insist on using them is to put a half inch of water in a bowl and microwave it for a minute. Then stick each vial upright in the water with an 18-21g needle tip sticking out of the stopper to vent it. Let it sit 5 minutes before drawing your oil.

You can also massage the area under hot water prior to injection. I find this loosens up the area and allows the oil to flow easier into the tissue. Just how it feels to me. I believe it helps mitigate PIP some but not as much as heating the oil first.

thx why vent it with a needle tho?

 

[connoristiny]

Just sell or bin it. Not worth the ruined sleep, workouts, constantly elevated inflammation markers, possible permanent scar tissue knots in your muscle etc.

pip alone can cause scar tissue? and yeah my WBC count is usually elevated... and that might be the inflammation from shots

 

[connoristiny]

If you want the pain to go away then throw it in the trash. Nothing you do is going to solve your problem when the pip is that bad. The gear doesn’t agree with your body.
I shoot the QSC EQ in my tits, lats and delts every other day with a 28g slin pin and have never had even minimal pip with any shot.
Anyone using a 400mg concentration of test is just asking for pip.
I use their Test Cyp and again painless.

thx how much oil do u typically pin at one time? and what length slin pin?

 

[connoristiny]

When you're standing in the warm water of the shower gently massage the area with a firm touch, I find that helps whether placebo or actually doing something who knows

thx massaging is rough my quad is swollen and the fluid pressing against the skin causes a lot of pain upon touching.. but I'll try taking a long hot shower

 

[connoristiny]

Just give gear that gives you PIP to Send0, he will try to smoke it cuz he smokes everything including cock but he certainly doesn't lift. The self proclaimed image of a gym rat but real life rec drug bag in reality.

But yeah dude, sometimes you get what you pay for. If you have tried multiple remedies and you still get crippling PIP, time to toss it.

Don't know if it has already been said but here are a few things; 1) Warm it up; 2) Inject smaller amounts like only 0.5 ml at a time; 3) cut it with GSO or CSO or Test in either of those

If you do all that and it still causes issues, get rid of it. Also make sure you are using nothing larger than 22 g cuz anything larger will also cause PIP.

thx bro what guage u typically use?

 

[BCBuilder]

thx massaging is rough my quad is swollen and the fluid pressing against the skin causes a lot of pain upon touching.. but I'll try taking a long hot shower

Let the hot water blast on the sore spot as well, basically warm the oil up and it can sometimes help with pain and tenderness and just breaking up the lump of oil to get things moving

 

[mass gain]

thx bro what guage u typically use?

depends on where I am pinning. Normally 23 g, 1.5 inch for glutes and 25 g, 1 inch for shoulders and quads

Others will say 25 g for glutes and 27 g for shoulders and quads

I find the oil takes forever to push through even a 25 in the glutes and its harder for me to reach which is why I use a 23. I imagine it would take forever to get oils through 27 but others have said they use 27 just fine.

 

[connoristiny]

depends on where I am pinning. Normally 23 g, 1.5 inch for glutes and 25 g, 1 inch for shoulders and quads

Others will say 25 g for glutes and 27 g for shoulders and quads

I find the oil takes forever to push through even a 25 in the glutes and its harder for me to reach which is why I use a 23. I imagine it would take forever to get oils through 27 but others have said they use 27 just fine.

Should I switch to 1.5"? I usually use 1" for the glutes to avoid the sciatic nerve but I assume that is not a problem if staying towards the side

 

[vivendi]

Never buy any gear with a high mg to ml ratio. Sustanon normally comes as 250mg/ml. If they managed to put 400mg/ml in it then they have to use some more aggressive solvents. That stuff bites your flesh once injected.

I am not saying that 250mg/ml can't cause pip. It can with those UG labs that put garbage like ethyl oleate in it and what not. But anything higher than 250mg/ml for sustanon/testosterone is almost always causing issues.

Check your hs-CRP levels after a day of injection, you'll see what I mean.

 

[Nilatac]

Never buy any gear with a high mg to ml ratio. Sustanon normally comes as 250mg/ml. If they managed to put 400mg/ml in it then they have to use some more aggressive solvents. That stuff bites your flesh once injected.

I am not saying that 250mg/ml can't cause pip. It can with those UG labs that put garbage like ethyl oleate in it and what not. But anything higher than 250mg/ml for sustanon/testosterone is almost always causing issues.

Check your hs-CRP levels after a day of injection, you'll see what I mean.

Don't talk what you don't know

 

[vivendi]

Don't talk what you don't know

Sure. Then keep pinning your 400mg/ml with synthetic carrier oils. I don't care. Your body.

 

[Nilatac]

Sure. Then keep pinning your 400mg/ml. I don't care. Your body.

Dude you don't know how steroids are made and you talk about that.
Susta 400 can be made at 2/20 like almost everything else. To make test higher than 250 you don't need any other solvents.
EO is rarely use in ugl and in some brews only at a lower %. EO is used in some pharma grade testosterone btw.
So yeah you are talking what you don't know.
If you have test e raws that are good or you have test d you can make test 400 without pip so yeah I keep pinning my test 400.
Don't talk with so much confidence about something you don't have a clue

 

[narta]

Sure. Then keep pinning your 400mg/ml with synthetic carrier oils. I don't care. Your body.

You can make high mg stuff without synthetic carrier oils. Just because you don't know how, doesn't mean you can't.

 

[vivendi]

Yes, you would need to increase the amount of testosterone, not necessarily the amount of solvent to create 400mg/ml.

The solubility of testosterone in the oil might limit how much can be effectively dissolved. That’s why some of them use extra solvents.

Companies like pharmacom and driada use a percentage of EO in their products. I am not saying that they all do.

To anyone who is experiencing PIP and bought from an UGL. Try to stay away from synthetic carrier oils and from products with high concentrations. It doesn’t hurt to try something with a lower concentration of test. That’s all I’m saying.

I’m not going to defend my stance on this any further because this would only result in a back and forth discussion. You obviously disagree with me and that’s fine.

 

[mass gain]

Should I switch to 1.5"? I usually use 1" for the glutes to avoid the sciatic nerve but I assume that is not a problem if staying towards the side

If you are relatively lean, 1 inch is fine.

 

[Country Club Hero]

thx why vent it with a needle tho?

Because pressure will build inside the vial once heat is applied to the outside of the glass

 

[Krash]

OP, QSC test did the exact same thing to me, and it’s not normal. I tried everything listed here just about and still had horrible pip anywhere I pinned and it lasted several days. I bailed on the cycle and went back to trt because I couldn’t work out properly with that level of soreness. I won’t buy from QSC again.

 

[Juggy3838]

Pip from bold cyp mixed with Sust 400?

Well….yea…..I’d be more surprised if you DIDNT have pip. And you said other companies bold cyp was painless? Did it ever cross your mind of the possibility of you just overpaying for a vial of EQ labeled as bold cyp previously?

 

[connoristiny]

Never buy any gear with a high mg to ml ratio. Sustanon normally comes as 250mg/ml. If they managed to put 400mg/ml in it then they have to use some more aggressive solvents. That stuff bites your flesh once injected.

I am not saying that 250mg/ml can't cause pip. It can with those UG labs that put garbage like ethyl oleate in it and what not. But anything higher than 250mg/ml for sustanon/testosterone is almost always causing issues.

Check your hs-CRP levels after a day of injection, you'll see what I mean.

yep learned my lesson.. higher concentration gear is not worth it.. youre better off pinning more oil imo... fewer issues