Please help with recent blood test

[Clappincheeks]

Hey guys any input on this would be appreciated. These were done about a month ago. What would be a logical reason my estrogen is so low while I’m on test?

Cycle was 750 test 500 eq 400 primo and 4iu of hgh.

 

[Smashshit]

Hey guys any input on this would be appreciated. These were done about a month ago. What would be a logical reason my estrogen is so low while I’m on test?

Cycle was 750 test 500 eq 400 primo and 4iu of hgh.

Are you using any ai? Primo will lower your estrogen that’s one of the benefits of adding it to a blast many people can use it instead of an ai and get extra gains also.

 

[Clappincheeks]

Are you using any ai? Primo will lower your estrogen that’s one of the benefits of adding it to a blast many people can use it instead of an ai and get extra gains also.

No AI currently

 

[Smashshit]

No AI currently

Primo and EQ can both lower your estrogen for some people so that would be my guess is one or both of them are for you most likely.

 

[Clappincheeks]

Primo and EQ can both lower your estrogen for some people so that would be my guess is one or both of them are for you most likely.

could be the test is underdosed

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

could be the test is underdosed

Well you would maybe know if you didn’t skimp out on the capped test.

Primo can and will really crash my e2 but not with almost double the amount of test. Eq should not have strong enough anti estrogenic effect to crash your e2.

What source are you using where you think the test may be underdosed?

I would go and pull an uncapped test and see where you’re at.

 

[Clappincheeks]

Well you would maybe know if you didn’t skimp out on the capped test.

Primo can and will really crash my e2 but not with almost double the amount of test. Eq should not have strong enough anti estrogenic effect to crash your e2.

What source are you using where you think the test may be underdosed?

I would go and pull an uncapped test and see where you’re at.

You wouldn’t believe it but my trt clinic sent me the requisition for the capped test.

 

[Clappincheeks]

Well you would maybe know if you didn’t skimp out on the capped test.

Primo can and will really crash my e2 but not with almost double the amount of test. Eq should not have strong enough anti estrogenic effect to crash your e2.

What source are you using where you think the test may be underdosed?

I would go and pull an uncapped test and see where you’re at.

im using a local lab called AlphaGen Pharmaceuticals. My testosterone always comes back high. It’s been as high as 4k, however my estrogen is always low

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

im using a local lab called AlphaGen Pharmaceuticals. My testosterone always comes back high. It’s been as high as 4k, however my estrogen is always low

In the past it’s been normal for your estrogen to be low even at your test levels with 4k? Could you give me some more background info on that? Were you running an ai at that time or any primo or eq?

Because I do agree something seems funny for your e2 to be so low it can’t even be registered when you’re on 750test no ai and 400 primo and the eq.

If it were me I would go do more blood work and see where the actual test levels are at. I don’t see a reason for your e2 to be crashed this hard ….

 

[Clappincheeks]

In the past it’s been normal for your estrogen to be low even at your test levels with 4k? Could you give me some more background info on that? Were you running an ai at that time or any primo or eq?

Because I do agree something seems funny for your e2 to be so low it can’t even be registered when you’re on 750test no ai and 400 primo and the eq.

If it were me I would go do more blood work and see where the actual test levels are at. I don’t see a reason for your e2 to be crashed this hard ….

With past blood test same labs (Alphagen) my estrogen has always been well below the normal. But my test comes back super high. Which make no sense. I’ve never ran an AI, ever. My stack has always been test EQ and primo when cycling.

I will have to pull more bloods soon.

whats strange is when i run my TRT bottle i do experience estrogen symptoms nipple sensitivity etc. i don't have current blood test with the trt though just going strictly by feels.

 

[Para_33]

In the past it’s been normal for your estrogen to be low even at your test levels with 4k? Could you give me some more background info on that? Were you running an ai at that time or any primo or eq?

Because I do agree something seems funny for your e2 to be so low it can’t even be registered when you’re on 750test no ai and 400 primo and the eq.

If it were me I would go do more blood work and see where the actual test levels are at. I don’t see a reason for your e2 to be crashed this hard ….

This has happened to me multiple times. Even on test by itself I don’t convert e2 much. on 500 test/70 primo recently my e2 was 30pg/ml with my total T around 3000ng/dl. Which is lower than where I like personally.

 

[Clappincheeks]

This has happened to me multiple times. Even on test by itself I don’t convert e2 much. on 500 test/70 primo recently my e2 was 30pg/ml with my total T around 3000ng/dl. Which is lower than where I like personally.

what did you do to bring your estrogen back up?

When I’m on trt testosterone I have estro symptoms which is strangest part.

 

[Para_33]

what did you do to bring your estrogen back up?

When I’m on trt testosterone I have estro symptoms which is strangest part.

There are multiple options. But in this instance I dropped primo and used injectable estradiol valerate, first at a higher dose then dropping down as the primo cleared.

I know that 2mg estradiol valerate per week = about 30pg/ml extra regardless of whatever test is doing. It’s just a boost. So I took 2.8mg then dropped it down. When the primo cleared I reassessed.

Now on87.5 test 1050 Deca and I still feel I could use a bit more e2 so I’m still keeping with an additional 40pg/ml fro injectable e2. I like my estrogen high. I aromatize very low too. Even with Deca which raises test conversion to e2, 87.5 is a low dose of test and only can produce so much e2 . I don’t want to run more test at the moment either which would also fix the issue.

By far, in my own unique weird, but I feel justified opinion, is adding exogenous estradiol valerate. Because what you inject is what you get serum level wise. You don’t have to worry about aromatization rate or anything. So injectable estradiol removes the variables how how the body converts test to estrogen. Because in my body I know what dose = what e2 level addition on my labs.

I’m getting results I can’t quite explain in how fast I’m growing, so it’s either I have freak genes , or this method works differently and better for some reason.

I grow at around 2.6x the rate of gains I do with a Deca only cycle ( also I’ve done tren,mast, winny only ) with estradiol added and grown faster than did with that same dose of test or higher, with the same e2 levels. I’ve repeated this experiment 4 times now. Diet and training were fully controlled and not changed.

This is just my theory along with others, that Shbg being maintained is the cause of this, and DHT from test lowers DHT multiple fold more than any other synthetic compound we use regularly ( besides proviron).

When my Shbg came up to 15nmol/l from the 9 it was at on that test/primo cycle, I exploded. Free androgens are still the most important by far, but there is also an additional pathway where the Shbg receptor complex on the cell surface increases the activity of the regular nuclear ar that free androgens bind to. The theory is that having some threshold about of Shbg bound steroids along with lots of free androgens provides an entire seperate pathway of muscle growth.

This Shbg pathway has been demonstrated in studies to augment and enhance the regular free/nuclear androgen receptor


I don’t know many people who have grown from 128lb to 215lb at 13-14% bodyfat in 1 year 6 months and I can’t help but wonder that this isn’t just my genes but me intentionally making use of this additional Shbg pathway. And yes free steroids are still most important. I just think there is more to the picture. I mean I’ve gained almost a hundred lb of muscle in not very much time at all lol.

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

There are multiple options. But in this instance I dropped primo and used injectable estradiol valerate, first at a higher dose then dropping down as the primo cleared.

I know that 2mg estradiol valerate per week = about 30pg/ml extra regardless of whatever test is doing. It’s just a boost. So I took 2.8mg then dropped it down. When the primo cleared I reassessed.

Now on87.5 test 1050 Deca and I still feel I could use a bit more e2 so I’m still keeping with an additional 40pg/ml fro injectable e2. I like my estrogen high. I aromatize very low too. Even with Deca which raises test conversion to e2, 87.5 is a low dose of test and only can produce so much e2 . I don’t want to run more test at the moment either which would also fix the issue.

By far, in my own unique weird, but I feel justified opinion, is adding exogenous estradiol valerate. Because what you inject is what you get serum level wise. You don’t have to worry about aromatization rate or anything. So injectable estradiol removes the variables how how the body converts test to estrogen. Because in my body I know what dose = what e2 level addition on my labs.

I’m getting results I can’t quite explain in how fast I’m growing, so it’s either I have freak genes , or this method works differently and better for some reason.

I grow at around 2.6x the rate of gains I do with a Deca only cycle ( also I’ve done tren,mast, winny only ) with estradiol added and grown faster than did with that same dose of test or higher, with the same e2 levels. I’ve repeated this experiment 4 times now. Diet and training were fully controlled and not changed.

This is just my theory along with others, that Shbg being maintained is the cause of this, and DHT from test lowers DHT multiple fold more than any other synthetic compound we use regularly ( besides proviron).

When my Shbg came up to 15nmol/l from the 9 it was at on that test/primo cycle, I exploded. Free androgens are still the most important by far, but there is also an additional pathway where the Shbg receptor complex on the cell surface increases the activity of the regular nuclear ar that free androgens bind to. The theory is that having some threshold about of Shbg bound steroids along with lots of free androgens provides an entire seperate pathway of muscle growth.

This Shbg pathway has been demonstrated in studies to augment and enhance the regular free/nuclear androgen receptor


I don’t know many people who have grown from 128lb to 215lb at 13-14% bodyfat in 1 year 6 months and I can’t help but wonder that this isn’t just my genes but me intentionally making use of this additional Shbg pathway. And yes free steroids are still most important. I just think there is more to the picture. I mean I’ve gained almost a hundred lb of muscle in not very much time at all lol.

Where does one even acquire injectable estrogen lol

 

[Clappincheeks]

After researching a bit on this everything I'm coming up with, EQ is crashing my estrogen

 

[Qualityfirst]

Based on your previous comments, i would doubt that eq is the problem. I think you are not aromatizing. Run labs and check liver enzymes. You’ve put on a lot of muscle at an unbelievable rate that even pros can’t keep up with. So if you’ve added 100 lbs of muscle in 1.5 years that means you are synthesizing almost 1.4 lbs of muscle per week! Which is double that of dudes like Ramy. Sorry buddy, I gotta call bullshit here. BTW you’d better get a heart ultrasound as well. You are in extreme danger of LVH

 

[Clappincheeks]

Based on your previous comments, i would doubt that eq is the problem. I think you are not aromatizing. Run labs and check liver enzymes. You’ve put on a lot of muscle at an unbelievable rate that even pros can’t keep up with. So if you’ve added 100 lbs of muscle in 1.5 years that means you are synthesizing almost 1.4 lbs of muscle per week! Which is double that of dudes like Ramy. Sorry buddy, I gotta call bullshit here. BTW you’d better get a heart ultrasound as well. You are in extreme danger of LVH

what will the liver enzymes indicate? I do have them on this panel and there a bit elevated.

Was this in response to @Para_33 ?

 

[Qualityfirst]

what will the liver enzymes indicate? I do have them on this panel and there a bit elevated.

Was this in response to @Para_33 ?

Yes. It was supposed to be directed @para33. My apologies. But aromatase is the enzyme that converts to make estrogen. Aromatase is produced in the liver and testes. May want to consider hcg. Not sure if proviron or clomid would work but worth looking into. How long has it been since you last came off cycle and ran PCT

 

[Clappincheeks]

Yes. It was supposed to be directed @para33. My apologies. But aromatase is the enzyme that converts to make estrogen. Aromatase is produced in the liver and testes. May want to consider hcg. Not sure if proviron or clomid would work but worth looking into. How long has it been since you last came off cycle and ran PCT

I've never used HCG before so I will do some research on that, thank you. its been since 2017

 

[BFK]

There are multiple options. But in this instance I dropped primo and used injectable estradiol valerate, first at a higher dose then dropping down as the primo cleared.

I know that 2mg estradiol valerate per week = about 30pg/ml extra regardless of whatever test is doing. It’s just a boost. So I took 2.8mg then dropped it down. When the primo cleared I reassessed.

Now on87.5 test 1050 Deca and I still feel I could use a bit more e2 so I’m still keeping with an additional 40pg/ml fro injectable e2. I like my estrogen high. I aromatize very low too. Even with Deca which raises test conversion to e2, 87.5 is a low dose of test and only can produce so much e2 . I don’t want to run more test at the moment either which would also fix the issue.

By far, in my own unique weird, but I feel justified opinion, is adding exogenous estradiol valerate. Because what you inject is what you get serum level wise. You don’t have to worry about aromatization rate or anything. So injectable estradiol removes the variables how how the body converts test to estrogen. Because in my body I know what dose = what e2 level addition on my labs.

I’m getting results I can’t quite explain in how fast I’m growing, so it’s either I have freak genes , or this method works differently and better for some reason.

I grow at around 2.6x the rate of gains I do with a Deca only cycle ( also I’ve done tren,mast, winny only ) with estradiol added and grown faster than did with that same dose of test or higher, with the same e2 levels. I’ve repeated this experiment 4 times now. Diet and training were fully controlled and not changed.

This is just my theory along with others, that Shbg being maintained is the cause of this, and DHT from test lowers DHT multiple fold more than any other synthetic compound we use regularly ( besides proviron).

When my Shbg came up to 15nmol/l from the 9 it was at on that test/primo cycle, I exploded. Free androgens are still the most important by far, but there is also an additional pathway where the Shbg receptor complex on the cell surface increases the activity of the regular nuclear ar that free androgens bind to. The theory is that having some threshold about of Shbg bound steroids along with lots of free androgens provides an entire seperate pathway of muscle growth.

This Shbg pathway has been demonstrated in studies to augment and enhance the regular free/nuclear androgen receptor


I don’t know many people who have grown from 128lb to 215lb at 13-14% bodyfat in 1 year 6 months and I can’t help but wonder that this isn’t just my genes but me intentionally making use of this additional Shbg pathway. And yes free steroids are still most important. I just think there is more to the picture. I mean I’ve gained almost a hundred lb of muscle in not very much time at all lol.

Genuinely curious, how did you manage to raise shbg?