Possible Infection with Test Prop?

[LunkAlarm]

Newb Alert:

Last week I switched from Cyp to UGL Propionate at 200mg/mL which I'm really only using for TRT. So far, I've gotten a handful of sore spots, all of which have turned red and inflamed. Most of them appear to be subsiding but I'm afraid one might turn into a third nipple.

I knew some PIP was likely but not sure if this is par for the course. Are reactions normal at this concentration or should I get my ass to the doc for some antibiotics?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Newb Alert:

Last week I switched from Cyp to UGL Propionate at 200mg/mL which I'm really only using for TRT. So far, I've gotten a handful of sore spots, all of which have turned red and inflamed. Most of them appear to be subsiding but I'm afraid one might turn into a third nipple.

I knew some PIP was likely but not sure if this is par for the course. Are reactions normal at this concentration or should I get my ass to the doc for some antibiotics?

First time using prop obviously. It has more PIP than Test C.

How much are you injecting each time?

Have you ever used those injection spots before?

Is it 100 mg/ml or are you using something with higher concentration?

Is it same carrier oil that you usually use?

Are you injecting slowly, like 20-40 secs to inject or are you slamming it less than 5 secs?

Take your temperature, are you running a fever?

 

[Test_Subject]

Propionate at 200mg/mL

Found your problem.

 

[malfeasance]

Prop is notorious for this.

Not all brands cause this. Not even all vials from the same brand UGL cause this . . . but it is definitely more likely to cause pain and swelling than cyp.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Newb Alert:

UGL Propionate at 200mg/mL

Well there's your problem.

Edit: Bert aka Quick draw McGraw beat me to it by mere seconds.

 

[malfeasance]

Found your problem.

Doh! Yep. Missed that.

 

[LunkAlarm]

First time using prop obviously. It has more PIP than Test C.

How much are you injecting each time?

Have you ever used those injection spots before?

Is it 100 mg/ml or are you using something with higher concentration?

Is it same carrier oil that you usually use?

Are you injecting slowly, like 20-40 secs to inject or are you slamming it less than 5 secs?

Take your temperature, are you running a fever?

Only pinning 20mg per day which I'm injecting somewhat slowly, 10 seconds at the very least. Concentration is 200mg/mL. I've been using the usual injection spots so far but gonna have to switch things to avoid sore spots.

Regarding the carrier oil, no idea what's in this one. Was wondering if the higher concentration might be more likely to have something in it that causes irritation (ie ethyl oleate).

If it's normal at all particularly at this concentration, I might order some 100mg/mL and keep using this until it arrives. But also wasn't sure if the inflammation was a red flag for me to throw the vial away and get some antibiotics.

 

[malfeasance]

Probably not an infection. As you can see from the posts above, your reaction is pretty much expected at that dose per ml. Do you have a fever?

 

[Test_Subject]

Only pinning 20mg per day which I'm injecting somewhat slowly, 10 seconds at the very least. Concentration is 200mg/mL. I've been using the usual injection spots so far but gonna have to switch things to avoid sore spots.

Regarding the carrier oil, no idea what's in this one. Was wondering if the higher concentration might be more likely to have something in it that causes irritation (ie ethyl oleate).

If it's normal at all particularly at this concentration, I might order some 100mg/mL and keep using this until it arrives. But also wasn't sure if the inflammation was a red flag for me to throw the vial away and get some antibiotics.

It's probably EO. Does it have a really nasty smell to it? It could contain guaiacol if so. Both are known to cause bad PIP in some people and I guarantee that there's at least one of the two in the brew to get it to hold.

I wouldn't recommend concentrations that are that high unless you plan on cutting it with something more friendly like NPP or mast P.

 

[Boss hog]

I couldn't imagine 200mg prop. The 1 and only time I tried prop i had welts all over my body and that was only at 100mg. I'll leave that stuff to the yung guys and pros not worth it in my books.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Only pinning 20mg per day which I'm injecting somewhat slowly, 10 seconds at the very least. Concentration is 200mg/mL. I've been using the usual injection spots so far but gonna have to switch things to avoid sore spots.

Regarding the carrier oil, no idea what's in this one. Was wondering if the higher concentration might be more likely to have something in it that causes irritation (ie ethyl oleate).

If it's normal at all particularly at this concentration, I might order some 100mg/mL and keep using this until it arrives. But also wasn't sure if the inflammation was a red flag for me to throw the vial away and get some antibiotics.

It’s most likely just PIP. 200 mg/ml is a higher dose so it’s got more solvents in there to keep it from crashing. Guys usually only use that high dose stuff when they are mixing multiple compounds in the same syringe (to dilute it). Taking it straight like that would cause irritation for anyone. [emoji2357]

 

[LunkAlarm]

Probably not an infection. As you can see from the posts above, your reaction is pretty much expected at that dose per ml. Do you have a fever?

No fever thank Christ. Just covered in SORES!

 

[LunkAlarm]

It's probably EO. Does it have a really nasty smell to it? It could contain guaiacol if so. Both are known to cause bad PIP in some people and I guarantee that there's at least one of the two in the brew to get it to hold.

I wouldn't recommend concentrations that are that high unless you plan on cutting it with something more friendly like NPP or mast P.

Yikes haven't noticed any odors. Would've gone straight into the trash if I did.

Sounds like I should try a lower concentration and pray it sucks at least 50% less.

 

[Test_Subject]

No fever thank Christ. Just covered in SORES!

If you're really worried about it you could get blood work done to check your leukocytes, specifically your neutrophils, but unless you're suffering from a fever or the pain doesn't get better, you're probably fine and it's just bad PIP.**

**Not a doctor

 

[grey]

Only pinning 20mg per day which I'm injecting somewhat slowly, 10 seconds at the very least. Concentration is 200mg/mL.

So you are injecting .1 ml/day? Really? How the hell is that even taking 10 seconds?

You shouldn't experience a damn thing in terms of PIP from that.

 

[Boss hog]

So you are injecting .1 ml/day? Really? How the hell is that even taking 10 seconds?

You shouldn't experience a damn thing in terms of PIP from that.

One would think you shouldn't on such a small amount but you never know. Probably best to call it a day and shelf those vials to see how everything clears up. Some guys just can't handle the prop ester due the pip issue it casues.

 

[Boss hog]

There are much better test ester available out there than prop especially prop brewed at 200mg.

Probably could cut it with some sterile GSO to see if that helps out any.... worth a shot before binning it.

 

[grey]

One would think you shouldn't on such a small amount but you never know. Probably best to call it a day and shelf those vials to see how everything clears up.

Yeah I mean even at 200mg/ml out of .1ml he would be injecting .06ml of the oil, .02 ml of the BA/BB and only .02 ml (by volume displacement) of the actual Test Prop (at relatively "standard" mix ratios)...

I MASSIVELY doubt that the test prop itself would be the issue here. Contamination and/or allergic reaction to the carrier would be far and away my leading conclusion.

Pretty sure you could inject .02ml of dish soap and not end up covered in sores (note: don't inject dish soap kids).

 

[Whopperflopper]

So you are injecting .1 ml/day? Really? How the hell is that even taking 10 seconds?

You shouldn't experience a damn thing in terms of PIP from that.

Exactly what I was thinking, 1 tick on the syringe..WHY?
Go back to cyp, cruising on prop is ludicrous unless your attempting to alter bloods in an upcoming test. What size pin are you using? IM, or Sub Q?
Go back to cyp.

 

[Boss hog]

Heck anything is possible we can sit here and speculate all day. Unless he brewed it up him self he has no idea actually what he is injecting or at what ratios the solvents were used to get it to hold.

One would think if he could handle test cyp solvents ratios from what he stated then he should be able to handle the solvents use in the prop if by your ratios would be standard in the mix.