post bloodwork for HCG just alone

[5millionbucks]

I was curious how people's bloods looked after running HCG alone and how much it increased test compared to clomid. I know people who hop on HRT are usually prescribed this or clomid to increase low test levels; anyone ever 3x their natty test levels after HCG? I've seen people double their test on logs with HCG; but was wondering what the highest levels one ever had. The late Rich Piana I remember had an insane protocol where he would come off everything and just run 5000 IU of HCG eod and literally made gains even off the juice; but I know running that much for a few months can possibly desensitize your leydig cells.

 

[T-Bagger]

I was curious how people's bloods looked after running HCG alone and how much it increased test compared to clomid. I know people who hop on HRT are usually prescribed this or clomid to increase low test levels; anyone ever 3x their natty test levels after HCG? I've seen people double their test on logs with HCG; but was wondering what the highest levels one ever had. The late Rich Piana I remember had an insane protocol where he would come off everything and just run 5000 IU of HCG eod and literally made gains even off the juice; but I know running that much for a few months can possibly desensitize your leydig cells.

5000 iu’s EOD? That’s insane!

 

[5millionbucks]

5000 iu’s EOD? That’s insane!

yeah he basically said he felt like he was on cycle running that much HCG. People say you get desensitzed but it looks like it worked for him

 

[Mac11wildcat]

If he did it, there’s a video about it. Find it for us. I dont believe the body could be forced to produce that much natural test.

 

[Alien_Genetics]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Here is the Rich Piana HCG protocol
1 week after last shot 5k iu
5k iu EOD for 2 weeks
then every 4 days for 2 weeks
then 5k iu every 5 days 2 weeks
2500k every 5 days for 2 weeks

 

[TRT@40]

I was prescribed 1000IU EOD for HCG mono-therapy but also to preserve fertility. My baseline test was about 200 and rose to just above 700 when I ran the above dose and nothing else. Of course, you need to keep an eye on estrogen when running high doses of HCG.

 

[T-Bagger]

I was prescribed 1000IU EOD for HCG mono-therapy but also to preserve fertility. My baseline test was about 200 and rose to just above 700 when I ran the above dose and nothing else. Of course, you need to keep an eye on estrogen when running high doses of HCG.

What was your test when you went off the HCG?

 

[TRT@40]

What was your test when you went off the HCG?

Dr put me on test TRT right after upon my request so I never got to know if HCG helped to permanently raised my endogenous test levels. TBH I did not even think if being on hcg mono-therapy would help with endogenous test levels even after you stop hcg. Is this possible?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Dr put me on test TRT right after upon my request so I never got to know if HCG helped to permanently raised my endogenous test levels. TBH I did not even think if being on hcg mono-therapy would help with endogenous test levels even after you stop hcg. Is this possible?

Ideally, I think so? That’s the goal of any HCG use in PCTs.

 

[TRT@40]

Ideally, I think so? That’s the goal of any HCG use in PCTs.

Hey @Mac11wildcat , in my case, HCG use was not part of PCT but as part of Dr. prescribed "TRT" , called HCG mono-therapy since i expressed interest in preserving fertility. So it was not that I did a cycle and then i went on HCG to kick start my HPTA. My test was low at 200 naturally. Do you think even in this use case of HCG, it can permanently increase endogeous test even after stopping it usage?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Hey @Mac11wildcat , in my case, HCG use was not part of PCT but as part of Dr. prescribed "TRT" , called HCG mono-therapy since i expressed interest in preserving fertility. So it was not that I did a cycle and then i went on HCG to kick start my HPTA. My test was low at 200 naturally. Do you think even in this use case of HCG, it can permanently increase endogeous test even after stopping it usage?

Right I understand. I’m just saying that since we use it in PCT for the purpose of rebooting natural test production that I’d assume that it’s possible BUT that was before I understood your natural test production was at 200 (and I assume at a steady state, not fluctuating from cycles or PCT or anything).

If it’s already low I doubt HCG makes a permanent difference.

 

[Dr JIM]

I was prescribed 1000IU EOD for HCG mono-therapy but also to preserve fertility. My baseline test was about 200 and rose to just above 700 when I ran the above dose and nothing else. Of course, you need to keep an eye on estrogen when running high doses of HCG.

And your experience is entirely consistent w the literature regardless of the dosage, HCG will not result in super-physiologic TT levels.

Oh and as an aside Rich Piana was a classic example of what NOT to do and thats why he's six feet under.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Do you think even in this use case of HCG, it can permanently increase endogeous test even after stopping it usage?

NO!

And for the same reason gains achieved while cycling are eventually lost once the stimulus (AAS) is discontinued, not withstanding the influence of age, diet and exercise

Jim

 

[T-Bagger]

NO!

And for the same reason gains achieved while cycling are eventually lost once the stimulus (AAS) is discontinued, not withstanding the influence of age, diet and exercise

Jim

Your take on this?
Anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism treated with human chorionic gonadotropin.

 

[Dr JIM]

Your take on this?
Anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism treated with human chorionic gonadotropin.

Dated 1998 Case study in which a "Young" cyclist developed AIH that was prolonged thru the use of TRT.

They stopped the TRT and the "hypogonadism" returned (hello) and then began a course of HCG

They then discontinued the HCG and the patient recovered MONTHS LATER, and thats what would have happened wo HCG

JIM

 

[T-Bagger]

Dated 1998 Case study in which a "Young" cyclist developed AIH that was prolonged thru the use of TRT.

They stopped the TRT and the "hypogonadism" returned (hello) and then began a course of HCG

They then discontinued the HCG and the patient recovered MONTHS LATER, and thats what would have happened wo HCG

JIM

So your thought is that the HCG did nothing and he pretty much recovered on his own?

 

[master.on]

I got 1.2X normal T levels on HCG
but you need to get estradiol bloodwork to fine tune AI dosage.

 

[T-Bagger]

I got 1.2X normal T levels on HCG
but you need to get estradiol bloodwork to fine tune AI dosage.

Did you maintain your T levels after stopping HCG and did you test to see if they maintained?

 

[master.on]

Did you maintain your T levels after stopping HCG and did you test to see if they maintained?

They dropped to about 75% of the normal range.

 

[T-Bagger]

They dropped to about 75% of the normal range.

How many cycles have you been on and have you ever run Nolva and/or Clomid for PCT?