post finasteride syndrome pct

[Peterson]

What's going on with propeciahelp forum?

I started a thread to discuss this but they merged it with this thread: YouTube video: Is Post-Finasteride Syndrome Real? | Diagnosing And Reversing It

And posted the article and some cliffs about the guy's solution…

A mod answered and I answered the mod in a normal way, but then they deleted my reply and blocked my account.

It’s like they want to hide possible solutions…

Almost starting to think like a conspiracy theorist. Do they benefit from people who have pfs so their foundation can continue and ask for more donations?

 

[TideGear]

What's going on with propeciahelp forum?

I started a thread to discuss this but they merged it with this thread: YouTube video: Is Post-Finasteride Syndrome Real? | Diagnosing And Reversing It

And posted the article and some cliffs about the guy's solution…

A mod answered and I answered the mod in a normal way, but then they deleted my reply and blocked my account.

It’s like they want to hide possible solutions…

Almost starting to think like a conspiracy theorist. Do they benefit from people who have pfs so their foundation can continue and ask for more donations?

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Let us know how it goes

 

[Peterson]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Let us know how it goes

Lol, now they banned me, just look at the reason:

Dismissive of survey in first few posts; insistently advocated for dangerous and misleading article on PFS

I only said everyone should read it, especially in light of the big new proviron recovery on the forum there. The article stated proviron was the best potential cure in his opinion. Mod also deleted my second post where I said he indeed has affiliate links to herbs but doesn't even believe that will be enough for pfs patients, the real cure is proviron,... of course he doesn't have any affliate links to those products. Mods are always talking about the survey too, I said a survey won't cure us and we could be be waiting for 10 years if we don't do anything. Of course I said this in a respectable manner... Result: post deleted and banned.

Instead of having a discussion, nope banned. What the hell?

I've seen many others who give their opinion but are banned as a result. Another good example: Just my thoughts and ongoing hypothesis...continuously changing and in draft mode so please do not take any of this information as a recovery treatment The guy who made this thread and gave his opinion was banned too. Check his posts and look at the reasons.

The mods on that forum are fascists and don't allow the opinion and theory of other people.

Also makes me wonder about their real agenda...

 

[ironwill1951]

just my 2 cents worth i have been taking finasteride 1 mg a day for over 20 yrs and never had a problem. i cant remember who said it in post a few pages back about taking 70 mg a day that cant be.

 

[Peterson]

So guys I finally have done some bloodwork. (fcking corona)

FSH 2.5 U/L 1.5 - 12.4
LH 2.3 U/L 1.7 - 8.6
Testosteron 479 ng/dl 300 - 800
SHBG 41.9 nmol/L 18.3 - 54.1
Free test 0.299 nmol/L 0.198 - 0.619
estrogen 35 ng/L <43

Doctor couldn't check DHT levels with his blood tests he said.

Hope you guys can help me further with this and recommend a regimen.

@The Terminator @Old @kosp @Grab Bag @master.on @TideGear

 

[TideGear]

So guys I finally have done some bloodwork. (fcking corona)

FSH 2.5 U/L 1.5 - 12.4
LH 2.3 U/L 1.7 - 8.6
Testosteron 479 ng/dl 300 - 800
SHBG 41.9 nmol/L 18.3 - 54.1
Free test 0.299 nmol/L 0.198 - 0.619
estrogen 35 ng/L <43

Doctor couldn't check DHT levels with his blood tests he said.

Hope you guys can help me further with this and recommend a regimen.

@The Terminator @Old @kosp @Grab Bag @master.on @TideGear

Wish I could help. I'm having the opposite response. I'm on dutasteride and my sex drive has actually improved. I'm thinking that somehow your androgen receptors have been down regulated or damaged but I'm no doctor.

 

[The Terminator]

So guys I finally have done some bloodwork. (fcking corona)

FSH 2.5 U/L 1.5 - 12.4
LH 2.3 U/L 1.7 - 8.6
Testosteron 479 ng/dl 300 - 800
SHBG 41.9 nmol/L 18.3 - 54.1
Free test 0.299 nmol/L 0.198 - 0.619
estrogen 35 ng/L <43

Doctor couldn't check DHT levels with his blood tests he said.

Hope you guys can help me further with this and recommend a regimen.

@The Terminator @Old @kosp @Grab Bag @master.on @TideGear

re the dht if your doctor refused to order you a dht test you can order the test yourself from privatemd, labsmd etc. Kinda expensive it’s like $100 but at least it can help determine if it’s low dht levels or a receptor issue. Not sure if you mentioned it but have you had other symptoms of low dht? Also I’ve read that issues with libido or mood can be due to allopregnalone, like low levels or whatever instead of dht. 5-alpha reductase is involved in that as well, it’s more of a neurosteroid.

Anyway you could try running a cycle of a dht compound or actual dht like @Old suggested then doing a pct. Dht heavy cycle prob won’t help long-term if it’s low dht but might help if it’s some receptor issue. Pct with a good amount of hCG can possibly help bring up dht levels.

 

[kosp]

So guys I finally have done some bloodwork. (fcking corona)

FSH 2.5 U/L 1.5 - 12.4
LH 2.3 U/L 1.7 - 8.6
Testosteron 479 ng/dl 300 - 800
SHBG 41.9 nmol/L 18.3 - 54.1
Free test 0.299 nmol/L 0.198 - 0.619
estrogen 35 ng/L <43

Doctor couldn't check DHT levels with his blood tests he said.

Hope you guys can help me further with this and recommend a regimen.

@The Terminator @Old @kosp @Grab Bag @master.on @TideGear

everything is in range. Train hard, eat well, sleep deeply and relax, test levels are highly oscillating, eventually, it will rise up.

 

[Peterson]

re the dht if your doctor refused to order you a dht test you can order the test yourself from privatemd, labsmd etc. Kinda expensive it’s like $100 but at least it can help determine if it’s low dht levels or a receptor issue. Not sure if you mentioned it but have you had other symptoms of low dht? Also I’ve read that issues with libido or mood can be due to allopregnalone, like low levels or whatever instead of dht. 5-alpha reductase is involved in that as well, it’s more of a neurosteroid.

Anyway you could try running a cycle of a dht compound or actual dht like @Old suggested then doing a pct. Dht heavy cycle prob won’t help long-term if it’s low dht but might help if it’s some receptor issue. Pct with a good amount of hCG can possibly help bring up dht levels.

Yes I was thinking about doing such a regimen.

What do you think is best for this; Proviron, anavar or even halotestin?

Could you guys give a proper regimen I could follow with pct? I'm still a noob in these things.

 

[The Terminator]

Yes I was thinking about doing such a regimen.

What do you think is best for this; Proviron, anavar or even halotestin?

Could you guys give a proper regimen I could follow with pct? I'm still a noob in these things.

Tbh I’m not quite sure what a proper protocol for this case would be, but definitely not halo cause that’s kinda harsh and not a dht derivative. I guess proviron maybe. Pct tho you can do the standard hCG then clomid/tamoxifen

 

[Grab Bag]

So guys I finally have done some bloodwork. (fcking corona)

FSH 2.5 U/L 1.5 - 12.4
LH 2.3 U/L 1.7 - 8.6
Testosteron 479 ng/dl 300 - 800
SHBG 41.9 nmol/L 18.3 - 54.1
Free test 0.299 nmol/L 0.198 - 0.619
estrogen 35 ng/L <43

Doctor couldn't check DHT levels with his blood tests he said.

Hope you guys can help me further with this and recommend a regimen.

@The Terminator @Old @kosp @Grab Bag @master.on @TideGear

I wish I could help bud, but I’m not sure, as everything is “in range.” Some people feel better at higher or lower parts of “in range.”

If you’re still miserable, have you considered trt? I felt like shit at numbers close to yours and feel loads better on trt.

Tbh man, have you considered Wellbutrin? It’s a dopamine based antidepressant that treats all the symptoms you previously mentioned. I honestly think it would be a potential option for you if you don’t wanna make the needle your bff and hop on trt forever.

 

[Grab Bag]

Tbh I’m not quite sure what a proper protocol for this case would be, but definitely not halo cause that’s kinda harsh and not a dht derivative. I guess proviron maybe. Pct tho you can do the standard hCG then clomid/tamoxifen

Don’t you think a stab at trt would be a better option than attempting a cycle here? I think the last thing our buddy here needs in additional hormone fluctuations, know what I mean?

 

[The Terminator]

Don’t you think a stab at trt would be a better option than attempting a cycle here? I think the last thing our buddy here needs in additional hormone fluctuations, know what I mean?

Well from what I here people with PFS feel like shit even with higher levels of T. Some think that it’s some kinda issue with receptors and DHT, that’s why someone else mentioned using DHT. I suggested if going that route he use androstanolone (DHT) but sounds like that’s not an option so a DHT derivative like proviron. Of course if the problem is something else like with allopregnalone I don’t think it’ll help.

Tbh my original suggestion for if he had to use hormone or hormone altering drugs was to try just a pct cause that wouldn’t really cause any damage. I’m sure on the pfs forums or reddit he can find protocols that worked for others.

With his levels and age he’d have a very slim chance of getting rx trt unless he went to one of those “clinics” so he’d have to self rx

 

[Peterson]

I wish I could help bud, but I’m not sure, as everything is “in range.” Some people feel better at higher or lower parts of “in range.”

If you’re still miserable, have you considered trt? I felt like shit at numbers close to yours and feel loads better on trt.

Tbh man, have you considered Wellbutrin? It’s a dopamine based antidepressant that treats all the symptoms you previously mentioned. I honestly think it would be a potential option for you if you don’t wanna make the needle your bff and hop on trt forever.

Yes I know about Wellbutrin, many tried it on propeciahelp. It did help some people but no recoveries that I know off.

 

[Peterson]

Well from what I here people with PFS feel like shit even with higher levels of T. Some think that it’s some kinda issue with receptors and DHT, that’s why someone else mentioned using DHT. I suggested if going that route he use androstanolone (DHT) but sounds like that’s not an option so a DHT derivative like proviron. Of course if the problem is something else like with allopregnalone I don’t think it’ll help.

Tbh my original suggestion for if he had to use hormone or hormone altering drugs was to try just a pct cause that wouldn’t really cause any damage. I’m sure on the pfs forums or reddit he can find protocols that worked for others.

With his levels and age he’d have a very slim chance of getting rx trt unless he went to one of those “clinics” so he’d have to self rx

I can get my hands on androgel. But is that the same as androstanolone?

 

[Grab Bag]

Well from what I here people with PFS feel like shit even with higher levels of T. Some think that it’s some kinda issue with receptors and DHT, that’s why someone else mentioned using DHT. I suggested if going that route he use androstanolone (DHT) but sounds like that’s not an option so a DHT derivative like proviron. Of course if the problem is something else like with allopregnalone I don’t think it’ll help.

Tbh my original suggestion for if he had to use hormone or hormone altering drugs was to try just a pct cause that wouldn’t really cause any damage. I’m sure on the pfs forums or reddit he can find protocols that worked for others.

With his levels and age he’d have a very slim chance of getting rx trt unless he went to one of those “clinics” so he’d have to self rx

I feel ya, man. Pct does seem like a good idea to try.

@Peterson did you try a pct yet? I can’t remember the details of this thread.

Also, In my personal experience, exogenous T always raises DHT as well. That’s why I was thinking trt might work for him... Is that not always the case?

 

[Grab Bag]

Yes I know about Wellbutrin, many tried it on propeciahelp. It did help some people but no recoveries that I know off.

It is worth a try brother. You don’t deserve to feel like shit! Anything that can make you feel better is worth exploring.

 

[The Terminator]

I can get my hands on androgel. But is that the same as androstanolone?

Androgel is testosterone gel, might as well just inject. Although I’ve heard the gel especially when applied to the scrotum can lead to more DHT conversion than injections. I believe @Goingstronger is knowledgeable about applying T gel on the scrotum maybe he can give more info on how that works.

 

[Peterson]

I also found this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6920809/ 1

Finasteride (FIN, 50 mg/kg, IP) suppressed hypothalamus–pituitary–adrenal ( HPA ) axis responsiveness.

In addition to the reduction in HPA axis hormones, other mechanisms may be involved in the effects of FIN

These results suggest that FIN impairs stress reactivity and reduces behavioral activation and impulsive behavior by altering the function of the hypothalamus–pituitary–adrenal (HPA) axis.

HPA suppression happens when you take steroids right? Seems like fina does too.

 

[The Terminator]

I also found this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6920809/ 1

Finasteride (FIN, 50 mg/kg, IP) suppressed hypothalamus–pituitary–adrenal ( HPA ) axis responsiveness.

In addition to the reduction in HPA axis hormones, other mechanisms may be involved in the effects of FIN

These results suggest that FIN impairs stress reactivity and reduces behavioral activation and impulsive behavior by altering the function of the hypothalamus–pituitary–adrenal (HPA) axis.

HPA suppression happens when you take steroids right? Seems like fina does too.

HPTA suppression with roids, but they do have some impact on your bodies adrenal steroids I’m sure.