Post Injection Pain Advise?

[Eddie.]

Fair. I'm still curious as to the science behind the less aromitization though

Comparison of Outcomes for Hypogonadal Men Treated with Intramuscular Testosterone Cypionate versus Subcutaneous Testosterone Enanthate - PubMed

While IM-TC and SCTE-AI provide a significant increase in TT levels, SCTE-AI is associated with lower levels of post-therapy HCT and E2 compared to IM-TC after adjusting for significant covariates. SCTE-AI is an effective testosterone delivery system with a potentially preferable safety profile...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is the one i just found, i haven't bookmarked any of these. I think @Jabroni_Meathead has posted a couple somewhere.

Basically the higher the testosterone peak, the higher the aromatization. With SC the peak is minimal (basically nonexistent if you pin frequent) TT will be lower but steady as well as e2 will be lower because of the lack of test peak.

 

[Sector]

Comparison of Outcomes for Hypogonadal Men Treated with Intramuscular Testosterone Cypionate versus Subcutaneous Testosterone Enanthate - PubMed

While IM-TC and SCTE-AI provide a significant increase in TT levels, SCTE-AI is associated with lower levels of post-therapy HCT and E2 compared to IM-TC after adjusting for significant covariates. SCTE-AI is an effective testosterone delivery system with a potentially preferable safety profile...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is the one i just found, i haven't bookmarked any of these. I think @Jabroni_Meathead has posted a couple somewhere.

Basically the higher the testosterone peak, the higher the aromatization. With SC the peak is minimal (basically nonexistent if you pin frequent) TT will be lower but steady as well as e2 will be lower because of the lack of test peak.

Thats actually interesting. Thank you for sharing.

I take back what I said with regards to aromitization.

I'm just curious why they did a cypionate to enanthate ester comparison

 

[Eddie.]

Thats actually interesting. Thank you for sharing.

I take back what I said with regards to aromitization.

I'm just curious why they did a cypionate to enanthate ester comparison

You're welcome mate. If you're interested seeing more research and graphs while listen to an endocrinologist that does testosterone himself, here it is.


View: https://youtu.be/mktqbrujl70?si=gpLReaO5yFa_LnNC

 

[lukiss96]

Yeah the known issue with raws. Whatever fits your body man, i'd definitely throw any stuff that i can't handle well. Sometimes pain is subjective, if you keep pinning and besides pain you have any sort of allergic response then throw it away.

In my experience cheap ass labs usually have issues sooner or later, just like over here in EU we have French cars, they look pretty when new and are cheaper to buy, but 5-10 years down the line have lots of issues and become pain in the ass, unlike BMW/MB which lasts well over 15 years if maintained properly.

Never had issues with premium labs like Balkan or Hilma. Just cheap less known ones. I'd rather pay 30-40€ for a Testosterone vial, than 20-25€ and buy year worth just to throw it in the trash can (happened twice now).

 

[egruberman]

You're welcome mate. If you're interested seeing more research and graphs while listen to an endocrinologist that does testosterone himself, here it is.

I'm quite fond of this guy and the information he puts out, but he's not an endocrinologist. Andrew is board certified in Family Medicine and Emergency Medicine.

Since we're on about endocrinologists, I'm a fan of Kurt Havens who isn't an MD, but is a PhDc in endocrinology specifically focusing on PEDs:

https://www.youtube.com/@kurt.havens

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

unlike BMW/MB which lasts well over 15 years if maintained properly.

Sorry bro but as a former master technician, i highly disagree with this statement.... even though I finally bought my first Audi after 5 Volvo's because china ruined them.

This is the one i just found, i haven't bookmarked any of these. I think @Jabroni_Meathead has posted a couple somewhere.

Basically the higher the testosterone peak, the higher the aromatization. With SC the peak is minimal (basically nonexistent if you pin frequent) TT will be lower but steady as well as e2 will be lower because of the lack of test peak.

Thanks man. I appreciate somebody remembering my science backed arguments for SUBQ.

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

I'm quite fond of this guy and the information he puts out, but he's not an endocrinologist. Andrew is board certified in Family Medicine and Emergency Medicine.

My current trt doc is internal medicine/family medicine and knows far more than two endo's I have seen. He treats my wife's diabetes 1 and my TRT.

Like everything in life, there is good and bad.

 

[lukiss96]

Sorry bro but as a former master technician, i highly disagree with this statement.... even though I finally bought my first Audi after 5 Volvo's because china ruined them.


Thanks man. I appreciate somebody remembering my science backed arguments for SUBQ.

You shouldn't compare EU domestic to US. I had 6 BMW's all were EXX models and diesels/petrol. Zero issues, very reliable cars. I loved my E65, it was awesome, but accident took it away.

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

You shouldn't compare EU domestic to US.

That is a very fair statement. I worked at a dealership that was Volvo/BMW and those BMW techs were constantly busy with oil leaks. Something Volvo never had.

My audi is being built about a hour from my apartment and I will be shipping it to the states when done here. Hope it lasts me.

 

[lukiss96]

That is a very fair statement. I worked at a dealership that was Volvo/BMW and those BMW techs were constantly busy with oil leaks. Something Volvo never had.

My audi is being built about a hour from my apartment and I will be shipping it to the states when done here. Hope it lasts me.

I hear VW built for US market is poor quality, compared to European domestic. Since VAG includes Audi, I assume they are no better in terms of reliability those made for US.

Im general cars are not as bulletproof as they used to be, so I can agree that German and even Japanese cars are not built with the same passion like they were 20 years ago.

I absolutely loved M57 3.0d 160kw. May not sound like much these days, but definitely beastly at it's time and still very modern and quite fast. It's magic is torque clocked at 500nm, where I'm from this is considered a bulletproof gold standard engine. Many have covered over a million in km's and still work like a clock.

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

I hear VW built for US market is poor quality, compared to European domestic. Since VAG includes Audi, I assume they are no better in terms of reliability those made for US.

Im general cars are not as bulletproof as they used to be, so I can agree that German and even Japanese cars are not built with the same passion like they were 20 years ago.

I absolutely loved M57 3.0d 160kw. May not sound like much these days, but definitely beastly at it's time and still very modern and quite fast. It's magic is torque clocked at 500nm, where I'm from this is considered a bulletproof gold standard engine. Many have covered over a million in km's and still work like a clock.

I think it depends on where they are build. Clearly the chinese built Audi's would suck more than the German built.

Production Sites Audi Group

 

[Eddie.]

I'm quite fond of this guy and the information he puts out, but he's not an endocrinologist. Andrew is board certified in Family Medicine and Emergency Medicine.

Since we're on about endocrinologists, I'm a fan of Kurt Havens who isn't an MD, but is a PhDc in endocrinology specifically focusing on PEDs:

https://www.youtube.com/@kurt.havens

Oh yes, you're right i thought he was a endo, i must confused him with Dean St Mart but anyways, Andrew has plenty of videos about hormones and peds and he talks from a user and a doctor's perspective as well, that's why i like him. Ofc i know Kurt Havens as well.

Thanks man. I appreciate somebody remembering my science backed arguments for SUBQ.

 

[lukiss96]

I think it depends on where they are build. Clearly the chinese built Audi's would suck more than the German built.

Production Sites Audi Group

Man just look at some of the new creations of "designers", most new cars don't have a soul anymore.

 

[Werewolf Piss]

In my experience cheap ass labs usually have issues sooner or later, just like over here in EU we have French cars, they look pretty when new and are cheaper to buy, but 5-10 years down the line have lots of issues and become pain in the ass, unlike BMW/MB which lasts well over 15 years if maintained properly.

Never had issues with premium labs like Balkan or Hilma. Just cheap less known ones. I'd rather pay 30-40€ for a Testosterone vial, than 20-25€ and buy year worth just to throw it in the trash can (happened twice now).

Sold Peugeot in the USA for a couple of years. A couple of years later I never saw one on the road again.

 

[lukiss96]

Sold Peugeot in the USA for a couple of years. A couple of years later I never saw one on the road again.

Yeah I read that. I had Peugeot 607 as my second car. Bitch was breaking down every 3 weeks or so. Only good thing about it was very comfortable car.

 

[Werewolf Piss]

Yeah I read that. I had Peugeot 607 as my second car. Bitch was breaking down every 3 weeks or so. Only good thing about it was very comfortable car.

Yeah. Typical French. Its comfortable to smoke cigarettes in while you wait for the tow truck driver.

 

[lukiss96]

Yeah. Typical French. Its comfortable to smoke cigarettes in while you wait for the tow truck driver.

That's a good one that I never heard lol. Gonna tell someone this one to have a good laugh, over here everybody knows someone who had crappy experience with some French car. There are fr car clubs where they meet up to discuss issues and how to fix something and where to go cuz most mechanics don't want to work on them.

 

[Werewolf Piss]

That's a good one that I never heard lol. Gonna tell someone this one to have a good laugh, over here everybody knows someone who had crappy experience with some French car. There are fr car clubs where they meet up to discuss issues and how to fix something and where to go cuz most mechanics don't want to work on them.

This is off topic, but old thread..

No cars, even top of the line European vehicles were more comfortable than the flagship models from the US brands from 70s up to early 90s. They would lack in handling and other aspects, but luxury seating and ride is where they were the Greatest. (Olds 98, Buick Electras) but now everything is a globalist venture. Removing the personality from individual cars. I can't speak for the newest vehicles, but I drove so many cars, excluding exotic sports cars through the early 2000s-2010s for work