PPL finished product underdosed.

Easy killer. I was talking about pinning and testing at the exact same times but, letting all test apart from TRT clear my system. I never said anything about deviating from the schedule. I was just gonna take the ppl test out of the equation. Total metabolism time for cyp is 40 days-maximum. That’s actually backed up by medical literature, unlike your 3-5x claim. A month gives you a slight advantage, vis a vis blood tests.

Also, you DO understand that PEAK levels are gained approx 72 hours after cyp injection, right?

Don’t get lippy bro. I haven’t done that to you.

Honestly, considering 200mg can keep me at approx 800, I expected closer to 2k for 450mg. The math on that jives. At the minimum, the test is underdosed.

I’ve noticed you haven’t offered any testing yet...

That's not lippy. You started a thread stating that you've been scammed. Something I've learned is that people that want a resolution, typically don't start threads saying they've been scammed.

The 4000? Was a question. What numbers did you expect? 3000? 4000? On 450mg per week. You don't have any previous blood work at the same dosage, right?

You either want help or you want drama. Likely the latter.

Here's a funny fact that blows your whole thread out of the water. I sub that same test Cyp that you're using and stock pile my pharma Cyp. Guess what, it yields the EXACT same blood work as the pharma test. 1000-1080.
 
Something I've learned is that people that want a resolution, typically don't start threads saying they've been scammed.

You either want help or you want drama. Likely the latter.
First of all, I dislike you. I really do.
However,I have to admit that you've made many solid points in this thread. All of your points actually were solid.

Except from the part that I quoted:

Fuck you.
Are you fucking stupid or what? No you are not fucking stupid. Nope. You have received directions on how to act.
Remember when you said that you wanted to be the best possible rep for panda,and also disclosing your handle for transparency,to show that you are not fucking around?

Let's take my case as an example,the tren hex that I couldn't find. I wrote about this before.
You pissed the fuck out of me on wickr when I contacted you regarding the fact that I was stupid enough to be unable to locate where the fuck was the hex in the package. You treated me as if I gave a shit about scamming you,by default. You were being fucking ironic at the very least. I was being polite with you through our conversations via wickr and I even mentioned that I wanted no compensation for the tren hex that supposedly wasn't there. You were being rude as fuck even after having mentioned that I want nothing,idiot.
I had to ask your boss because you are fucking useless. You get the crown robbie. The most useless representative panda has ever had.
You fucking earned it. You worked for it.
I have started to think that you are being paid just to refute shit, accuse everyone and anyone of scamming when shit hits the fan plus deliberately not answering to questions that are hard for you to answer.

Now tell me, dipshit:
You know. Mistakes could be made and guess what anyone would do after getting in contact with you.
Anyone and I mean anyone,would make a thread,due to your inability to handle your shit and your manners.
And now what. You acted exactly as I expected you to do. You implied that this customer is a scammer too.
So the question is,what should someone do,instead of creating a thread,after getting in contact with you (the only representative),and you proving your inability to deal with the issue and acting like shit?
So in the end of the day,why would anyone get in contact with you,as you said,before making a thread? You are useless and with an attitude.


Speak about the demographics you dick.
You are constantly avoiding the question.
I won't leave you alone. I fucking won't.
Face the question of fuck off here.
I will hunt your fucking thread.
My information and others' has been used for demographic studies. We need to know specifics.

You represent a brand that you cannot represent.
I wonder why panda still keeps you hired.
Go look at panda's thread and see if I am the only one calling you out. You need to self reflect.

Yeah,now go on and say that I need to self reflect too. I've got you covered:
I am a nasty...nasty fuck. Periodically brainless. Brainless enough to still consider buying from panda. Sure thing is that I won't be speaking with you to place an order,or if shit hits the fan with an order.
This might be one of my brainless rounds,I don't fucking know.
Then again ...it might not.


Fuck you for pulling your usual shit once more.

This has nothing to do with panda and his brand. I have only good things to say,except from the fuck ups every now and then.
This is aimed directly,only to you.


As for the test cyp quality.
Back when I bought it was great,I confirmed it with bloodwork also. Results were as expected although I don't remember numbers. Might be a different batch. I don't think so.
I put my money on individual response.
 
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I am upping the tren.
I've decided.
100mg ed. It's final.
It's panda's. And it's obviously working.

That means less weeks for me being insane enough to non stop mention demographics.

You lucky...lucky fuck.
Hang in there,I will only insist for so long.
Then...you know...your usual...
Under the carpet it goes.
 
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That's not lippy. You started a thread stating that you've been scammed. Something I've learned is that people that want a resolution, typically don't start threads saying they've been scammed.

The 4000? Was a question. What numbers did you expect? 3000? 4000? On 450mg per week. You don't have any previous blood work at the same dosage, right?

You either want help or you want drama. Likely the latter.

Here's a funny fact that blows your whole thread out of the water. I sub that same test Cyp that you're using and stock pile my pharma Cyp. Guess what, it yields the EXACT same blood work as the pharma test. 1000-1080.
No drama wanted or needed. You have the same cyp? Same batch? Prove it. PM me the identifying stuff. I'll say whether you did or didn't. Won't post PM's. Again, I didn't buy raws. This was pre-made.

And you're FOS bro. You are NOT getting the same results from your PPL cyp that you do pharma, if you are in fact using the same batch I got...unless you're talking counterfeit pharma...NO WAY NO HOW. If you've got Rx grade, doctor prescribed cyp, domestically manufactured AND it's the same as your PPL, you're getting fucked.

I know we're not supposed to rely on feels but, I can pin 500mg of PPL this week and drag ass all week. I can pin 200mg of my TRT and fuck shit up. And trust me, that's not bias. This has been trial and error over months. I WANTED this shit to be on the up and up. I NEEDED it to be. That's why I'm so pissed.

I don't want drama. I want folks to know what's up. SOMETHING isn't right with this shit. Maybe it's dose, maybe it's ester...I don't know.

To be fair, the PPL tren and Monkey King Tren were FUCKING AMAZING. I mean for fuckin real, no complaints whatsoever. It's just the cyp bro. Something ain't right.

Work with me bro. Go back and look at the shit. Have the labs look at it. I DONT WANT ANY COMPENSATION. I want the shit to be fixed because I WANT TO ORDER GOOD SHIT. Stealth at Panda is on fucking point. Shit arrives packed well and the tren could shred Jabba the hut in 8 weeks.

Just get the guys to check the shit and fix what's broken. That's all I'm asking.

And, if it's not too much trouble, let me know what you find out went wrong.

No Drama
No refund
No bullshit
 
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No drama wanted or needed. You have the same cyp? Same batch? Prove it. PM me the identifying stuff. I'll say whether you did or didn't. Won't post PM's. Again, I didn't buy raws. This was pre-made.

And you're FOS bro. You are NOT getting the same results from your PPL cyp that you do pharma, if you are in fact using the same batch I got...unless you're talking counterfeit pharma...NO WAY NO HOW. If you've got Rx grade, doctor prescribed cyp, domestically manufactured AND it's the same as your PPL, you're getting fucked.

I know we're not supposed to rely on feels but, I can pin 500mg of PPL this week and drag ass all week. I can pin 200mg of my TRT and fuck shit up. And trust me, that's not bias. This has been trial and error over months. I WANTED this shit to be on the up and up. I NEEDED it to be. That's why I'm so pissed.

I don't want drama. I want folks to know what's up. SOMETHING isn't right with this shit. Maybe it's dose, maybe it's ester...I don't know.

To be fair, the PPL tren and Monkey King Tren were FUCKING AMAZING. I mean for fuckin real, no complaints whatsoever. It's just the cyp bro. Something ain't right.

Work with me bro. Go back and look at the shit. Have the labs look at it. I DONT WANT ANY COMPENSATION. I want the shit to be fixed because I WANT TO ORDER GOOD SHIT. Stealth at Panda is on fucking point. Shit arrives packed well and the tren could shred Jabba the hut in 8 weeks.

Just get the guys to check the shit and fix what's broken. That's all I'm asking.

And, if it's not too much trouble, let me know what you find out went wrong.

No Drama
No refund
No bullshit

Dude, had you not wanted drama, you'd have have reached out to someone prior to starting a thread, without having an understanding of your own body's processing of a certain dosage. You didnt want my help. And stated in one of your earlier posts.

I have nothing to prove to you. Send an unopened vial to an accredited testing facility, and that's not Jano, and get some testing done. If it's wrong, we'll make it right.
 
Dude, had you not wanted drama, you'd have have reached out to someone prior to starting a thread, without having an understanding of your own body's processing of a certain dosage. You didnt want my help. And stated in one of your earlier posts.

I have nothing to prove to you. Send an unopened vial to an accredited testing facility, and that's not Jano, and get some testing done. If it's wrong, we'll make it right.
Just to be clear, asking you to check with your own folks, and nothing more, is too much to ask?

Your reputation certainly holds.
 
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Don't you have some GH results to fake or some customer lists to post on discord? That's rhetorical.
Don't mention customer lists.
It's the only thing you shouldn't be mentioning.
He has fucked up in the past,same as you.
Is he a scammer? I don't know really. I am making a different point here.
Maybe he has his shit together now,maybe not,and so do you.

Customer lists,you shouldn't mention.
 
Don't mention customer lists.
It's the only thing you shouldn't be mentioning.
He has fucked up in the past,same as you.
Is he a scammer? I don't know really. I am making a different point here.
Maybe he has his shit together now,maybe not,and so do you.

Customer lists,you shouldn't mention.

Fair point. However Knowingly doing that shit, vs having someone fuck you over are slightly different. Assuming you know what I'm talking about when I speak of posting customer lists on discord?
 
Fair point. However Knowingly doing that shit, vs having someone fuck you over are slightly different. Assuming you know what I'm talking about when I speak of posting customer lists on discord?
I agree.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding janoshik and posting customer lists on discord but I have no reason to believe you,or not to believe you.
It could absolutely be true,I don't know really.
He has been proven a scammer in the past,I could expect everything.
However,it makes no sense doing so,I have to admit.
Why the hell would he do that? There should be a reason.

Everyone would want proof on this. If you have any,post it.
That would be his end here.
 
I agree.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding janoshik and posting customer lists on discord but I have no reason to believe you,or not to believe you.
It could absolutely be true,I don't know really.
He has been proven a scammer in the past,I could expect everything.
However,it makes no sense doing so,I have to admit.
Why the hell would he do that? There should be a reason.

Everyone would want proof on this. If you have any,post it.
That would be his end here.

The info on his GH testing is here. Mands posted it. .
The discord info was posted and deleted. Most new members or non discord people don't know about it. He created a pastebin with the list from a previous hack. There's definitely bad blood between he and panda, and just like every story, both sides probably have some validity.
 
The info on his GH testing is here. Mands posted it. .
The discord info was posted and deleted. Most new members or non discord people don't know about it. He created a pastebin with the list from a previous hack. There's definitely bad blood between he and panda, and just like every story, both sides probably have some validity.
I know about his fuck up with Mands' hgh.
I also know that there's beef between him and panda.
So basically, he posted a paste bin with HIS customer list OR panda's(from a previous hack)?
I am confused. It sucks in both cases but it's not the same.
 
I know about his fuck up with Mands' hgh.
I also know that there's beef between him and panda.
So basically, he posted a paste bin with HIS customer list OR panda's(from a previous hack)?
I am confused. It sucks in both cases but it's not the same.

We've had that one fuck up where the shipper had emails and used em, and another before my time. I don't know or remember the how's or why's about that one, but there was a customer list. It was posted on a couple different forums. Jano reposted it. As a dig against panda. While I can understand the bad blood, hell, you and I can fucking hate each and think we're both POS, but there's a line. I've also been told a few other things by other sources but there never was any proof. I do know for a fact he's tested some of our stuff where the person sending it in told him it was ours, it can back low/wrong where's there was testing done of the same batch, multiple times and it was solid.

I don't think people understand the sheer volume PPL produces. It's not 100 or 1000 vials of test at a time, it's massive amounts. It's just not possible that 3-4 vials are some how bad and the rest is good.
 
We've had that one fuck up where the shipper had emails and used em, and another before my time. I don't know or remember the how's or why's about that one, but there was a customer list. It was posted on a couple different forums. Jano reposted it. As a dig against panda. While I can understand the bad blood, hell, you and I can fucking hate each and think we're both POS, but there's a line. I've also been told a few other things by other sources but there never was any proof. I do know for a fact he's tested some of our stuff where the person sending it in told him it was ours, it can back low/wrong where's there was testing done of the same batch, multiple times and it was solid.

I don't think people understand the sheer volume PPL produces. It's not 100 or 1000 vials of test at a time, it's massive amounts. It's just not possible that 3-4 vials are some how bad and the rest is good.
I know about the previous fuck ups too.
Now I understood. Panda's list.
So he basically just recycled it. I was unaware of that.
I initially understood that he posted his customer list,and I was like what the fuck.

Shitty,nevertheless.
 
I have also found their raws underdosed. I had bold cyp, test cyp, anavar. From another source of bold my rbc was really high on ppl it was much lower same with bp. For the test my levels were significantly lower than with other sources at the same dose. The anavar is completely anchedotal which not much substantiation other than im on 100mg/day and not having any effects/side effects from what I have seen reported...
 
Just to be clear, I'm sorry you haven't seen the results you wanted, and to circle back around, what were those results? What did you expect? Previous lab work?
Results? Please stop changing the subject.

I asked you for ONE THING: talk to your folks, make sure they’re checking shit in the future.

You could...oh I dunno... test one of your own vials from the same batch from the factory?

Tell you what, since you’re not gonna check with your folks and get back to me, this convo is dead in the water.

Because you’ve pissed me off, I’m gonna pay for testing. Because IDGAF about you “making it right” I’m sending to Jano.

Eat a panda sized dick.

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Results? Please stop changing the subject.

I asked you for ONE THING: talk to your folks, make sure they’re checking shit in the future.

You could...oh I dunno... test one of your own vials from the same batch from the factory?

Tell you what, since you’re not gonna check with your folks and get back to me, this convo is dead in the water.

Because you’ve pissed me off, I’m gonna pay for testing. Because IDGAF about you “making it right” I’m sending to Jano.

Eat a panda sized dick.

out

No sir. This is your words "Bring him in if you want but, I’m not asking for anything. I don’t want a store credit and I don’t want a refund. I’m NOT going to accept anything as a matter of principle because I’ve seen reverse scammers on here." But if you read through the thread I stated that our products are already tested. You still never answered the question that I've asked 2-3 times, what results did you expect?
Good job telegraphing to Jano that you're sending in PPL products, I'm sure he can fake something nice for your money.
 
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