ironwill1951
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i an not going to waste my time bantering with you , gather up your books and go to school before your late for class..
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juiceboxxx91
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Ok I'm done going. Back and forth with you clearly you just think you know it all and you can go pump sand [emoji8]
ironwill1951
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grow up , until then shut up, and listen to people with experience , most guys here are just trying to help , quit thinking that with your 6 months of reading under your belt that you know more than them.
juiceboxxx91
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When did I say I knew more than anyone else? Oh that's because I never did...ok I don't have anymore time to fight with you, until next time
You are oversimplifying a bit here my friend. The rhgh chain is 191 amino acids- insulin is and "a" chain of 21 aa's and a "b" chain of 30 aa's.... in my decades soent in the classroom and in the bio chemistry field (aka 10 minutes on google) rHGH sounds like it could be a bit more complex process beginning to end, hence a higher cost and a resulting higher price.
There is also the question of how to spread out the cost of research to the consumer... while many people have use for and a plethora of patients have medically necessary reason to use insulin there is dearth of rHGH users to spread r/d costs to.
As far as viagra- brand name medications set their prices when they have the market cornered, and those prices are set taking into consideration the aforementioned r/d costs they are hoping to defray through sales. You want cheaper prices than buy generics.
I am not saying these are not known reasons for pricing; I am simply expanding on your sweeping statement that sounded like some evil pharmaceutical demon decided what costs money and what doesn't... and that my boy ironwill is an idiot or something for stating the cost of hgh is high because of the manufacturing process. It is.
Not everyone is giving head to an aids patient like you... and will never said he paid that price. Stop being a fucking wiseass.
juiceboxxx91
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Idk the guy who I can buy them from might be giving an aids patient head.... Never asked him lol
ironwill1951
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grab your lunch bag mommy made you and go to school,
hotdog23
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All valid points. Though the pharmaceutical demon thing sounds pretty accurate. Trademarked medicines treating a slim percentage of patients ARE outrageously expensive, not because they need to be, but because they can. And in America, these companies have the right to set this price. Which I agree with, even though at times is disgusting.
I believe the complexity of both molecules comes from the 3D structure that only rDNA technology can replicate, or do so efficiently. But your right, there is a lot I don't understand about the differences in production that could account the price difference. I think, like you said, the amount of patients being treated by each medication plays a large part. rHGH is probably still under patent (25yrs?). Where insulin is not. But still, the implantation, replication, harvest, purification - those major steps are all there for both and the equipment is virtually identical. Except for the lyphollization process I'd imagine a insulin producing lab could easily be a hgh mill with a few modifications. Obviously just a very basic and personal opinion
Your 'boy' ironwill gets on every generic GH thread and says the same thing. Must've gotten burned pretty bad at some point. Which I'm sorry for. But I know the reputation generic GH comes with and I don't need to hear it over and over from the same person, or any person. We get it, china man is quick to scam the stupid American. OK, but I KNOW there are good generics out there. I have some. They will never be pharma quality. Idc. It's $1.50/iu. And it works
Put your Pom poms down. Cheerleading practice is over
Senorman
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I ordered 100iu of hyges (hygenepharma) from PPP a few months ago. Super easy dude to work with, instant shipping, no bullshit. The Hyge gave me welts, so I dumped that garbage and started using Seros. One of the forums (can't remember which) a user posted a 10iu GH Serum test that came back at 15. Not too good. I don't know about any of his other stuff. With my very limited experience, I don't plan on wasting time on generics. Gonna stick with the real deal and go pharma.
muscle96ss
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He may be oversimplifying it, but believe me when I tell you that the price of pharmaceuticals in most cases has very little to do with the actual cost of manufacturing. It has a lot more to do with supply and demand as well as the cost of future litigation(when they get sued by the money hungry lawyers you see on tv every day asking if you have taken this or that medication); amongst other things. Even with those things considered, they can charge whatever they want to charge even when they are clearly ripping people off. The pharmaceutical industry is one of the greediest and most powerful industrys on the face of this planet. The bottom line is that if anybody thinks that China cannot produce REAL GH and sell it for the price they are currently selling it; than you are sadly mistaken. In fact just look back around 10 years ago when Chinese Jintropin was flooding the market. That stuff was as real as GH can get and didn't cost but a few hundred dollars a kit right here on Meso.
ironwill1951
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no hotdog i never got burnt on generic gh, and yes i do cut down generic gh as much as i can because a vast majority of it is fake and if someone doesnt complain about it every newbie on meso will be buying that crap, maybe you have been around long enough to know where to get the decent generic gh but i guarantee most newbies dont, and dont you think it should be up to the more experienced member to help keeping the new guys from getting screwed ?
All valid points. Though the pharmaceutical demon thing sounds pretty accurate. Trademarked medicines treating a slim percentage of patients ARE outrageously expensive, not because they need to be, but because they can. And in America, these companies have the right to set this price. Which I agree with, even though at times is disgusting.
I believe the complexity of both molecules comes from the 3D structure that only rDNA technology can replicate, or do so efficiently. But your right, there is a lot I don't understand about the differences in production that could account the price difference. I think, like you said, the amount of patients being treated by each medication plays a large part. rHGH is probably still under patent (25yrs?). Where insulin is not. But still, the implantation, replication, harvest, purification - those major steps are all there for both and the equipment is virtually identical. Except for the lyphollization process I'd imagine a insulin producing lab could easily be a hgh mill with a few modifications. Obviously just a very basic and personal opinion
Your 'boy' ironwill gets on every generic GH thread and says the same thing. Must've gotten burned pretty bad at some point. Which I'm sorry for. But I know the reputation generic GH comes with and I don't need to hear it over and over from the same person, or any person. We get it, china man is quick to scam the stupid American. OK, but I KNOW there are good generics out there. I have some. They will never be pharma quality. Idc. It's $1.50/iu. And it works
Put your Pom poms down. Cheerleading practice is over
ironwill1951
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lets look at it this way , how much of the generic gh being sold is bunk ?
50% - 75% ? that means that 50% to 75% of meso newbies are getting screwed out of their hard earned money, and to me that is unacceptable.
50% - 75% ? that means that 50% to 75% of meso newbies are getting screwed out of their hard earned money, and to me that is unacceptable.
I learn by trial and error and ran some junk for about 3 months. Damn blue tops have me
Welts. However good generics are available you just have to be on your grind. They are out there. Comparable to pharma for a fraction of the cost. I just want to know how and where these colored tops are being produced. I'd also like to know from somebody with actual experience how the gh market really works in china. There are hords of chins selling gh, and
They seem like
Legitimate businesses. It's obviously black market but does the chin gov really let it go on just to take our hard earned American dollar?
Welts. However good generics are available you just have to be on your grind. They are out there. Comparable to pharma for a fraction of the cost. I just want to know how and where these colored tops are being produced. I'd also like to know from somebody with actual experience how the gh market really works in china. There are hords of chins selling gh, and
They seem like
Legitimate businesses. It's obviously black market but does the chin gov really let it go on just to take our hard earned American dollar?
Jimmyinkedup
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Similar thread, same people, same agendas. I wont even waste my breath on the slin/hgh comparison cause it really is just that stupid. You can want it, wish it, even dream it to exist but quality generic gh does not. I choose not to inject unknown, impure, mystery compounds directly into my system today, thanks.
BR1217
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I hear what your saying IW. There is probably a very small percentage of real Chinese gh out there, no idea where though. So for my money I would much rather pay a little extra for Sero's which is 100% real vs paying much less and receiving real chinese gh maybe 20% of the time, probably less in reality. Over time the price per IU of real Chinese gh ends up being much higher than the price per IU of Sero's, after you figure in how much you lost buying fake Chinese gh. Plus we have no idea what the Chinese are really putting in their. Scary stuff.
I had black tops that I had Hplc tested that were above 88% pure. Serum tested in the 30s.( tho it was probably more then 10ius)
hotdog23
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Honorable intentions noted. Like Pmac said, u just gotta stay on the generic GH grind lol!
Idk that 50% of it is legit. But with the sources I deal with I'm 95% confident. Never spend more than you can afford to lose. If I COULD afford to run 5iu of pharma year round I would. But I can't. And for now I'm happy with my generics
muscle96ss
Subscriber
Everything on the underground market is going to be that way. I would say the same percentages you state about fake GH would also be true about AAS and ancillaries. And that even includes the human grade AAS as all of them have been massively counterfeited at one time another. In fact there are counterfeit pharma grade GH's out there as well, i.e. serostim, genotropin. So if you want to be 100% sure then either get it from a doctor or don't use it. But, on the other hand, even if you are a newbie; as long as you are smart enough to do your research you will usually be fine. Especially if you are shopping on Meso as you guys assume guilty until proven innocent. Currently right now, I would say the 2 generics that are definitely real GH out there are the gray tops coming from eitehr HK or TP and the Kefeis as Kefei is a legitamate manufacturer(although the quality of the Kefeis has been inconsistent). There are actually a couple lab reports floating around on the grays where they tested at 96-98% purity; which is better than the Rips tested at.
Bottom line: We were all newbies once. You live and you learn. The easiest way to learn is to copy someone else who has already succeeded in doing what you are looking to do.
ironwill1951
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hotdog i am glad that you are that confident of your source, you must have spent alot of time and research to be in that position, unfortunately most newbies do not have your experience and they fall prey to the less than honest sources,
