Pre-Cycle blood work with a question?

[Mehoff22]

Ok so i came off of a cycle that i started back in September, for the main reason of just wanting to take a break. The last time i pinned was November 28th.
My cycle was simple.
Test P @ 700mg/wk for 10 Weeks (pinned 100mg ED)
Halotestin @ 30mg/Day for the last 3 weeks for a competition.
I came off 2 days after the comp. I got my blood work done on this last thursday to know my base line, its been roughly 7 weeks since i pinned last. I never took anything for PCT due to wanting to start back up again on February 1st. I realize now i should've although my LH and FSH are doing pretty good for not running PCT.

I'm 26, 242lbs and 6'0". My first cycle was when i was 21, regrettably . This is the 6th cycle I've ever ran, but the first time i've ever done blood work. Thanks to finding Meso RX i've been able to educate myself on how important it is to do so. So i'm planning on starting this next cycle with a lot better results and health thanks to knowing my baseline.

My diet is "ok" just being honest. I eat a lot of red meats and chicken. I eat a lot of white rice and a lot of beans. I usually take in around 4800 cals a day, I shoot for about 300 Protein, 400 Carbs and try to keep fats below 200. Like i said i know this needs a lot of work and i am planning on getting this all figured out before this next cycle

Next cycle will be
Test P 700mg/wk
Tren A 700mg/wk
Dbol 40mg/day
Adex 0.5mg/e3d
This is my 3rd go with tren and my 2nd go with tren Ace, i love it and i respond very well with it.


So. that being said i have a question about my ALT levels. From what ive read i understand that they mainly say how my liver is doing. well obviously its not great. I'm thinking it is due to the fact that i ran Halo and probably part due to new years eve i drank alcohol like a fish for 2 nights in a row and i usually never drink. I'm also on 60mg of Adderral everyday. I am going for a blood donation on monday to bring hematocrit downSo if anyone could please help me out on what i should be doing.

 

[Skull]

@Dr JIM ^^^^^^

 

[Dr JIM]

What was your PRE-CYCLE baseline? That's to say what was your baseline BEFORE you EVER USED AAS.

I suppose I already know the answer to that question, but surprise, no shock me, with those results for a legitimate comparison.

 

[Dr JIM]

Based upon what I'm seeing your likely headed for TRT, if you don't STOP CYCLING, but do not even consider cycling again wo running PCT and restoring HTPA functioning!


This is WHY I specifically asked for your PRE-AAS, TT and gonadotropin values!

Also do not use ORAL AAS again until your LFTS have normalized

Finally since your HGB/HCT are normal blood donation is optional.

In my personal opinion you need to chill it fella, before the risks of AAS exceed their potential benefit.

You are rolling some very large dice especially a your history of ADHA!

 

[Mehoff22]

What was your PRE-CYCLE baseline? That's to say what was your baseline BEFORE you EVER USED AAS.

I suppose I already know the answer to that question, but surprise, no shock me, with those results for a legitimate comparison.

Based upon what I'm seeing your likely headed for TRT, if you don't STOP CYCLING. This is WHY unspecific ally asked for your baseline.

Also do not use ORAL AAS until your LFTS have normalized

Finally since your HGB/HCT are normal blood donation is clearly optional

I've never had any bloodwork done to know baselines. Like I said I regret ever doing AAS before knowing all of this and I'm learning everything I can before I touch them again.
I completely understand what you mean by saying I'm headed for TRT and I really do appreciate the suggestion. Where I'm at now though what would you guys recommend I do to help bring my Lfts down? Or is it just a waiting game

 

[Mehoff22]

Based upon what I'm seeing your likely headed for TRT, if you don't STOP CYCLING, but do not even consider cycling again wo running PCT and restoring HTPA functioning!


This is WHY I specifically asked for your PRE-AAS, TT and gonadotropin values!

Also do not use ORAL AAS again until your LFTS have normalized

Finally since your HGB/HCT are normal blood donation is optional.

In my personal opinion you need to chill it fella, before the risks of AAS exceed their potential benefit.

You are rolling some very large dice especially a your history of ADHA!

I understand I will just hold the gear until I get proper PCT in and then re test to make sure everything is good. I've read about taking TUDCA or UDCA. I just wanted to know if anyone on here had a suggestion on how to bring down my LFTs.

And if you don't mind what did you mean by especially with my history of ADHA?

 

[Supacharged21]

My guess is Tudca and some NAC would be the best you could do for your liver right now.

Not sure what he meant by ADD meds. Maybe he is speaking of your blood pressure and anxiety and RBC can go up on some AAS in combination.

 

[Dr JIM]

I understand I will just hold the gear until I get proper PCT in and then re test to make sure everything is good. I've read about taking TUDCA or UDCA. I just wanted to know if anyone on here had a suggestion on how to bring down my LFTs.

And if you don't mind what did you mean by especially with my history of ADHA?

- hepatic sups are a waste of money

- your liver should recover in 4-6 weeks if you discontinue the cause of the the hepatic insult, ORAL AAS!

- ADHD = Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, it's one of TWO approved indications for Adderall a AMPHETAMINE analog which is a schedule II substance bc of its addictive potential, and one that clearly shows you're headed down the wrong path!

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[Mehoff22]

- hepatic sups are a waste of money

- your liver should recover in 4-6 weeks if you discontinue the cause of the the hepatic insult, ORAL AAS!

- ADHD = Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, it's one of TWO approved indications for Adderall a AMPHETAMINE analog which is a schedule II substance bc of its addictive potential, and one that clearly shows you're headed down the wrong path!

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I know what ADHD is but you said ADHA so I was unsure of what you were trying to say but yes I also know what Adderall is and that it can be addictive. Idk if you're trying trying say you think I'm an addict and that I'm heading down the wrong path by running AASs because I'm going to become addicted to those but a simple suggestion of WHY you think I'm headed down the wrong path would be a lot more effective. You still haven't given any suggestions on what you think I should do to bring it down so I'll just assume you either don't know or don't care to share information.
Thanks for the help you have given me but I'll just talk to my dr on Tuesday. Btw I've already talked to my other dr about stopping adderral because I DONT want to have any health issue down the road.

 

[Supacharged21]

- hepatic sups are a waste of money

- your liver should recover in 4-6 weeks if you discontinue the cause of the the hepatic insult, ORAL AAS!

- ADHD = Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, it's one of TWO approved indications for Adderall a AMPHETAMINE analog which is a schedule II substance bc of its addictive potential, and one that clearly shows you're headed down the wrong path!

-

So why do they give NAC to overdose patients in the hospital? And I thought Tudca was used in alcoholism recovery?

 

[Mehoff22]

So why do they give NAC to overdose patients in the hospital? And I thought Tudca was used in alcoholism recovery?

Be careful bro, he'll just assume you're addicted to it.

 

[Dr JIM]

So why do they give NAC to overdose patients in the hospital? And I thought Tudca was used in alcoholism recovery?

NAC is the antidote of choice for ONE drug OD. Which OTC medication is that?

Bile analogs are NOT used in any form of alcohol RECOVERY! If you KNOW of any evidence to the contrary I'd love to review it.

I am aware some hepatologists will use UDCA or TUDCA in select patients who have been diagnosed with primary biliary cirrhosis as a temporizing measure before liver transplant.

Spend some time reviewing how these drugs work and develop a better understanding abiut there efficacy as AAS prophylactic agents

 

[Dr JIM]

Be careful bro, he'll just assume you're addicted to it.

Cite the post where I said or even implied you are addicted to anything!

 

[Mehoff22]

Cite the post where I said or even implied you are addicted to anything!

Then what exactly are you trying to tell me when you tell me about adderalls addictive characteristics and then continue to say that's why I'm clearly headed down the wrong path?!
I've asked you twice to explain what exactly you meant so please do and I'll apologize for being a dick, but to me that's what it looks like you are implying about me. Someone you know absolutely nothing about excepts that I made a mistake, just like thousands of others on this same exact website.

 

[Dr JIM]

Cite the post!

You don't want to KNOW the truth fella, your not ready for it, and I doubt that will change anytime soon!

Good luck

 

[Dr JIM]

So why do they give NAC to overdose patients in the hospital? And I thought Tudca was used in alcoholism recovery?

For the sake of brevity for more information on this topic go to the Meso STEROID sub-forum
and check out the STICKY THREAD: Anabolic Steroids and the Liver.

The "hepatic supplements" topic is discussed at length on this thread in addition to supportive evidence based information.

Jim

 

[Mehoff22]

Cite the post!

You don't want to KNOW the truth fella, your not ready for it, and I doubt that will change anytime soon!

Good luck

Damn ok Dr Jim thanks for all the helpful information you gave me, not only me but the rest of the Meso community that looks on here for just that, answers to a problem that clearly aren't worth your time to help someone out.

 

[Mehoff22]