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[Ferhev]

I usually don’t post, and I was starting to hate @SwolieGuacamole not for what he’s been saying, but for the way he says things.

Apparently, he’s been right the whole time.

Before the “transparency update,” Primal said that he had just emailed Jano for new raw testing. Now the raws were tested before, and he had the raw this whole time.

Man, I really like Primals products, but Primal is losing my trust little by little.

 

[Ateam2023]

 

[Whistles77]

I usually don’t post, and I was starting to hate @SwolieGuacamole not for what he’s been saying, but for the way he says things.

Apparently, he’s been right the whole time.

Before the “transparency update,” Primal said that he had just emailed Jano for new raw testing. Now the raws were tested before, and he had the raw this whole time.

Man, I really like Primals products, but Primal is losing my trust little by little.

The GCMS testing requested is of the Primo200 oil, not the raws....but you're not wrong.

 

[nudemember]

Transparency update regarding Primo E inventory

I want to give a clear and honest update about our recent Primo E 100mg and 200mg situation so there’s no confusion on anyone’s end.

Over the last week we’ve been reorganizing all of our raw materials as we prepare for our upcoming relocation (again). During that process, we unexpectedly came across just under 300g of our previous Primo E raw batch. A batch we fully believed had been used up months ago.

Instead of explaining that right away, my instinct was to say “new raws just landed” because I didn’t want it to sound like we’re careless with inventory. Saying “we found raws we thought were gone” can come across sloppy, even though these raws were already from a , tested , trusted, previously validated batch.

To Clarify:
These were not new raws. They were part of our earlier Primo E batch that had already passed blind HPLC testing.

Here’s what actually happened on the business side - Primo E 200mg consistently sells much faster than 100mg. We are still waiting on a fresh raw shipment to arrive. Rather than having zero Primo available still, we used the remaining 300g to produce a small run of Primo E 200mg and Primo E 100mg to keep customers supplied with their favorite product in the meantime. This approach helped maintain inventory flow and ensured our customers weren’t left waiting during the transition period.

Nothing was done with untested materials, and nothing was rushed out of desperation. It was simply a business decision to keep shelves stocked using an already verified batch while our new shipment is incoming.

I’m sharing the real story because transparency matters. Even if the full explanation isn’t glamorous, honesty will always come first here. Which I’ll make sure to stand on here on out!

If anyone has questions about batch numbers, testing, or anything related to these releases, feel free to reach out anytime!

So you brewed both batches of the 200mg and 100mg w the 300g of raws, but earlier stated the testing of the finished product was good, so you diluted part of the 200mg batch to accommodate the crowd wanting lower concentrations. Constantly walking back everything you say.

 

[Ferhev]

The GCMS testing requested is of the Primo200 oil, not the raws....but you're not wrong.

You’re right.

What’s is bothering me is that Primal is always giving excuses and then give a completely different explanation at the end.

Man, making mistakes is normal, making the same mistakes over and over is not.

And don’t get me wrong, I really wish Primals the best and I want him to succeed. It’s just getting difficult to trust his word.

 

[ZaddyZonar]

You’re right.

What’s is bothering me is that Primal is always giving excuses and then give a completely different explanation at the end.

Man, making mistakes is normal, making the same mistakes over and over is not.

And don’t get me wrong, I really wish Primals the best and I want him to succeed. It’s just getting difficult to trust his word.

Stick around long enough, I’m sure there will be an excuse as to why Jano can’t run a GCMS test on the primo he has on hand. Happened a month back with another sample.

 

[Jonboy]

Honestly we were way too focused and excited to just get this batch brewed and into vials. We paid a ridiculous amount for these raws and they took forever to land, so once they cleared, the priority was getting oil made and tested.

 

[Whistles77]

You’re right.

What’s is bothering me is that Primal is always giving excuses and then give a completely different explanation at the end.

Man, making mistakes is normal, making the same mistakes over and over is not.

And don’t get me wrong, I really wish Primals the best and I want him to succeed. It’s just getting difficult to trust his word.

I'm the same. I'd much rather have truth and grit of real fuck ups then ChatGPT-esque polished fiction PR messages to dismiss concerns. Don't think we are going to get it consistently though, so have to be critical.

 

[Superchicken]

I would be interested to hear your results.

I havent tried strom or hepius yet but i hear good things.

Would be interested in these results especially hsCRP

My husband uses CN oils and his hs-crp was most recently < .9, down from 1.8. That’s with oils with and without eo. The higher number was before starting statin and Ezetimibe, he’s got a family history of cardiovascular disease that nobody ever mentioned. I think the number will continue to trend down while optimizing some other markers. I should mention he doesn’t use Primal’s products. I do the sourcing, was lurking in this thread to see if he would be a potential source, but no.

I use pharma progesterone with eo, hs-crp has always tested < .2. There was some overlap where I used a CN oil with eo, but my primary CN oils are eo free.

 

[Raiders789]

My husband uses CN oils and his hs-crp was most recently < .9, down from 1.8. That’s with oils with and without eo. The higher number was before starting statin and Ezetimibe, he’s got a family history of cardiovascular disease that nobody ever mentioned. I think the number will continue to trend down while optimizing some other markers. I should mention he doesn’t use Primal’s products. I do the sourcing, was lurking in this thread to see if he would be a potential source, but no.

I use pharma progesterone with eo, hs-crp has always tested < .2. There was some overlap where I used a CN oil with eo, but my primary CN oils are eo free.

Are you sure those oils didn't have EO in them? I've heard of chinese oils even like test cyp/e 200/250 being made with a lot of EO. From my understanding, hsCRP jumps up from anything inflammatory, so literally doing anything like having a cold or fucking up an injection and having some oil leak subq could spike it. Or just consistently pinning high-conc gear in general. So i think using hsCRP can be a good way to judge how you react to certain sources/oils over time, but isn't a good way to tell if something has EO in it or not. I think the only way you can do that is by getting a GCMS test.

 

[Earthworm Jim]

You’re right.

What’s is bothering me is that Primal is always giving excuses and then give a completely different explanation at the end.

Man, making mistakes is normal, making the same mistakes over and over is not.

And don’t get me wrong, I really wish Primals the best and I want him to succeed. It’s just getting difficult to trust his word.

It's like Jesus said in Luke 16. “One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much, and one who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much."

 

[dcfreak]

300g of primo raws sounds like the personal stash they decided to sell vs keep. Just my theory. I know I would have put some aside for myself with the current state of availability

 

[Earthworm Jim]

Reminds me of Elon musk every time he goes on Joe Rogan and says there is no evidence of aliens. I think Elon challenges himself to see how many lies he can publicly make and get away with

 

[jackmeoff1]

My anecdotal experience with primals bpc and tb500 has been 10/10. Cleared up tendonitis in a few shots.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

I usually don’t post, and I was starting to hate @SwolieGuacamole not for what he’s been saying, but for the way he says things.

Apparently, he’s been right the whole time.

Before the “transparency update,” Primal said that he had just emailed Jano for new raw testing. Now the raws were tested before, and he had the raw this whole time.

Man, I really like Primals products, but Primal is losing my trust little by little.

Lmao. I hear you on the approach. A few of us made comments early on that went no where. So got things a little spicy to call it to light.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

with this right?



Primal has been here for only FOUR MONTHS and we have….

-Poor Violet top test results, without prior testing…

Loss of trust

-Poor anadrol testing, after the batch is already being sold…

Loss of trust

-Test 50 overage…

Loss of trust

Constant testing excuses, with no proof of conversation, indicating why delays of occurring….

Loss of trust.

Ignoring questions from not only Me, but many others. Including those who have DM me personally…..

Loss of trust



How are you going to make people trust your brand again.

You’re right.

What’s is bothering me is that Primal is always giving excuses and then give a completely different explanation at the end.

Man, making mistakes is normal, making the same mistakes over and over is not.

And don’t get me wrong, I really wish Primals the best and I want him to succeed. It’s just getting difficult to trust his word.

This was my exact point I tried making to him a month ago. I’m not rehashing anything moving forward. But the pattern of behavior seems to be a constant.

 

[Superchicken]

Are you sure those oils didn't have EO in them? I've heard of chinese oils even like test cyp/e 200/250 being made with a lot of EO. From my understanding, hsCRP jumps up from anything inflammatory, so literally doing anything like having a cold or fucking up an injection and having some oil leak subq could spike it. Or just consistently pinning high-conc gear in general. So i think using hsCRP can be a good way to judge how you react to certain sources/oils over time, but isn't a good way to tell if something has EO in it or not. I think the only way you can do that is by getting a GCMS test.

Yeah, they’re from a vendor who doesn’t use eo and a couple were gcms tested. Afaik, it’s the only CN vendor who brewed that way.

 

[Dial It In]

Transparency update regarding Primo E inventory

I want to give a clear and honest update about our recent Primo E 100mg and 200mg situation so there’s no confusion on anyone’s end.

Over the last week we’ve been reorganizing all of our raw materials as we prepare for our upcoming relocation (again). During that process, we unexpectedly came across just under 300g of our previous Primo E raw batch. A batch we fully believed had been used up months ago.

Instead of explaining that right away, my instinct was to say “new raws just landed” because I didn’t want it to sound like we’re careless with inventory. Saying “we found raws we thought were gone” can come across sloppy, even though these raws were already from a , tested , trusted, previously validated batch.

To Clarify:
These were not new raws. They were part of our earlier Primo E batch that had already passed blind HPLC testing.

Here’s what actually happened on the business side - Primo E 200mg consistently sells much faster than 100mg. We are still waiting on a fresh raw shipment to arrive. Rather than having zero Primo available still, we used the remaining 300g to produce a small run of Primo E 200mg and Primo E 100mg to keep customers supplied with their favorite product in the meantime. This approach helped maintain inventory flow and ensured our customers weren’t left waiting during the transition period.

Nothing was done with untested materials, and nothing was rushed out of desperation. It was simply a business decision to keep shelves stocked using an already verified batch while our new shipment is incoming.

I’m sharing the real story because transparency matters. Even if the full explanation isn’t glamorous, honesty will always come first here. Which I’ll make sure to stand on here on out!

If anyone has questions about batch numbers, testing, or anything related to these releases, feel free to reach out anytime!

Just for transparency let’s run through this. In this statement you found these raws during the last week. A week from yesterday is 14 November.

20 November primo results posted. But just found the last week so that’s same day.

Primo test ordered 7 November and received at Jano 13 November analysis completed 14 November. This was an entire bottle that was sent for testing. So it had to be brewed but you requested a test prior to finding the raws?

20 November “paid a bunch for these raws and took forever to land and you were excited to get it out.” Short version of your post.

21 November we had 300g of raws we forgot about. Anyone else feel free to check my math or info. It’s all in the thread.

 

[nobu156]

Transparency update regarding Primo E inventory

I want to give a clear and honest update about our recent Primo E 100mg and 200mg situation so there’s no confusion on anyone’s end.

Over the last week we’ve been reorganizing all of our raw materials as we prepare for our upcoming relocation (again). During that process, we unexpectedly came across just under 300g of our previous Primo E raw batch. A batch we fully believed had been used up months ago.

Instead of explaining that right away, my instinct was to say “new raws just landed” because I didn’t want it to sound like we’re careless with inventory. Saying “we found raws we thought were gone” can come across sloppy, even though these raws were already from a , tested , trusted, previously validated batch.

To Clarify:
These were not new raws. They were part of our earlier Primo E batch that had already passed blind HPLC testing.

Here’s what actually happened on the business side - Primo E 200mg consistently sells much faster than 100mg. We are still waiting on a fresh raw shipment to arrive. Rather than having zero Primo available still, we used the remaining 300g to produce a small run of Primo E 200mg and Primo E 100mg to keep customers supplied with their favorite product in the meantime. This approach helped maintain inventory flow and ensured our customers weren’t left waiting during the transition period.

Nothing was done with untested materials, and nothing was rushed out of desperation. It was simply a business decision to keep shelves stocked using an already verified batch while our new shipment is incoming.

I’m sharing the real story because transparency matters. Even if the full explanation isn’t glamorous, honesty will always come first here. Which I’ll make sure to stand on here on out!

If anyone has questions about batch numbers, testing, or anything related to these releases, feel free to reach out anytime!

This is such a strange story and the overall handling is even more strange. Totally unnecessary lie.

I’m not your dad or your friend, but offering some unsolicited advice to be a standup guy. Be honest from the outset and your peers will generally reward you for it. No one here would give a flying fuck where the raws or the finished oil came from as long as you were upfront.

I had mostly assumed this was part of the same wave of domestic resell primo that we’ve seen but had a glimmer of hope that a domestic vendor actually had a touchdown of primo raws . Don’t tease people

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Just for transparency let’s run through this. In this statement you found these raws during the last week. A week from yesterday is 14 November.

20 November primo results posted. But just found the last week so that’s same day.

Primo test ordered 7 November and received at Jano 13 November analysis completed 14 November. This was an entire bottle that was sent for testing. So it had to be brewed but you requested a test prior to finding the raws?

20 November “paid a bunch for these raws and took forever to land and you were excited to get it out.” Short version of your post.

21 November we had 300g of raws we forgot about. Anyone else feel free to check my math or info. It’s all in the thread.

Been there done that with structuring time lines lol. Welcome to the party!