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[JBird99]

Sorry I don't think of 840 as MCT so didn’t include it.

840 had a very slight edge for long term stability. It’s also thinner. But it’s synthetic, with a propylene glycol backbone, so it’s not 100% biocompatible like 812 which is MCT and identical to natural triglycerides. In fact, 812 is processed as an easily absorbed nutrient by the body after injection. 812 can be (and is) administered via IV to feed patients who can’t eat.

812 is used for Nebido and most other major brand FDA approved androgens.

840 doesn’t absorb as easily into tissues, and can change the PH of the surrounding area making pharmacokinetics less “smooth”, draws water to itself creating a transient “lump” if injected too shallow, and slightly more inflammatory.

In the real world, while 812 is the pharma gold standard, both are excellent and a major upgrade over what most UGL uses.

What would you theorize most ugl is using for MCT? Sorry to jump in the convo just really intrigued by the conversation.

 

[AllGoodThings]

So at what point is GSO test considered “bad”?

While I can't answer the question directly, I can say that GSO you aren't going to be using for a year or so can be frozen (or refrigerated) to drastically slow down the oxidation process. I either use gso stuff first, before my mct, or I freeze it.

 

[Photon]

What would you theorize most ugl is using for MCT? Sorry to jump in the convo just really intrigued by the conversation.

Different for every vendor.

CN ugl uses a food grade blend consisting of MCT and vegetable oil with EO.

Even if a lab says they are using expensive 812 MCT oils, there's really no way to tell. I'd just hope it's pharma grade MCT oil at the very least.

(Hate to say this but sometimes it's better to just find a vendor you trust and just use the gear and not think so much lol..)

 

[JBird99]

Different for every vendor.

CN ugl uses a food grade blend consisting of MCT and vegetable oil with EO.

Even if a lab says they are using expensive 812 MCT oils, there's really no way to tell. I'd just hope it's pharma grade MCT oil at the very least.

(Hate to say this but sometimes it's better to just find a vendor you trust and just use the gear and not think so much lol..)

Fair enough lol especially since I don’t have the resources to brew my own stuff haha. Since I have your attention did you have any recs for butterfly needles that I can use with filters for oil?

 

[Photon]

Fair enough lol especially since I don’t have the resources to brew my own stuff haha

I pretty much used Goodlyfe's gear exclusively till i started brewing..life was so much simpler.

 

[Ghoul]

What would you theorize most ugl is using for MCT? Sorry to jump in the convo just really intrigued by the conversation.

There’s a ton of MCT out there.

A domestic lab is probably using something like this, about half the price of 812:



As an agricultural product all sorts of shit can find its way in, from pesticides to heavy metals from the soil. Those are found every once in a while when someone decides to test some (usually food grade) MCT.

Migloyl 812 is an FDA approved injectable excipient used by multinational pharma giants, who retest all ingredients they receive. So every batch is ultra purified and fully analyzed to guarantee it’s not contaminated. It’s pure and completely consistant from batch to batch because it has to be.

There’s always a trace of unsaturated , therefore oxidizable oil found in MCT. in 812 it’s guaranteed to be <0.5%. In others it’s often 2% or more. That can make a big difference because once oxidation starts, it triggers a reaction breaking down saturated fats causing them to oxidize too, EXPONENTIALLY.

The presence of 2% unsaturated fats will degrade MCT 10x faster than .5%.

 

[JBird99]

There’s a ton of MCT out there.

A domestic lab is probably using something like this, about half the price of 812:

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As an agricultural product all sorts of shit can find its way in, from pesticides to heavy metals from the soil. Those are found every once in a while when someone decides to test some (usually food grade) MCT.

Migloyl 812 is an FDA approved injectable excipient used by multinational pharma giants, who retest all ingredients they receive. So every batch is ultra purified and fully analyzed to guarantee it’s not contaminated. It’s pure and completely consistant from batch to batch because it has to be.

There’s always a trace of unsaturated , therefore oxidizable oil found in MCT. in 812 it’s guaranteed to be <0.5%. In others it’s often 2% or more. That can make a big difference because once oxidation starts, it triggers reactions that break down the saturated fat making them oxidize too, in an exponential manner.

The presence of 2% unsaturated fats will degrade MCT 10x faster than .5%.

I appreciate yall sharing the knowledge I’m learning a lot and I should definitely be freezing my stash much sooner than I planned.

 

[Ateam2023]

While I can't answer the question directly, I can say that GSO you aren't going to be using for a year or so can be frozen (or refrigerated) to drastically slow down the oxidation process. I either use gso stuff first, before my mct, or I freeze it.

What kind of container do you put the vials in to feeze? Or do you?

 

[R3gz]

Ordered from primal on a Saturday, confirmed payment same night and product was shipped that Monday as promised. Grabbed Reta, Anavar and Cialis.. here come the D jokes, promise its for the pumps not that pump lol.
Received the package (pause) Wednesday, same week.
Been running the reta its good (ran it before and know what the effects are) anavar has deepened my voice which when I ran it before it did the same. the cialis is self explanatory lol
Just wanted to review my experience.

 

[AllGoodThings]

What kind of container do you put the vials in to feeze? Or do you?

Page 6 of this thread has pics of what I started for freezer storage. I'm using 3D printed cases, nothing special. They have their own freezer, so not worried about anything crushing or otherwise causing them damage.

Thread 'Transferring oils for long term storage'

Aug 11, 2025

Like many of you, I'm doing my best to prepare for future scarcity, and have stocked up on oils from a few quality domestic sources in order to prepare for the times ahead. I've bought most everything in MCT due to it being fully saturated and thus less likely to oxidize. I store everything upright in a temperature controlled environment, totally protected from all light. One unfortunate issue I faced was that one of the best sources here is very generous in how he fills his vials, and this means that even when stored perfectly vertical, the oil makes contact with the stopper. Over time...

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[readalot]

@Primal_Pharma any chance yall would make a batch with these type of stoppers or vials in the near future? I’d love to just buy straight from you guys without having to hunt down vials and stoppers even if I have to pay a bit of a premium I’m sure I’m not the only one if it meant we could have long term storage solutions.

Boom. Coming soon it appears. Thanks for pushing for this.

 

[readalot]

Rinse, lather, repeat. Same cycle plays over again and again. Nice to see others putting in the hard work. It don't pay well (i.e., at all) and ain't for the timid, but it is valuable and much needed for this community. My 2 cents.

Thank you (you know who you are).

Related:

Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Dec 17, 2024

What I do have problem with, is the forum-wide constant spamming for it. I get the idea, but the realist in me knows that it's not something that can be forced upon the vendors. I always advocate the "vote with your money" moto. But I can not and will not become an annoying spammer in order to persuade people to act like it.

Let me help you see things from my perspective:

Login to Meso, hit New Posts.

Start reading.

First thread, a source thread, after a few posts there comes the unwanted spamming fart:

"Marcus, how about HPLC, GMS, Sterility etc etc"

You scroll down, and...

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[readalot]

Really @narta, I tried really hard to see it from your perspective. I did what you suggested, I examined some of @readalot's posts that you characterize as "spam" harassing sources to perform more testing. And what did I find? Every time @readalot "spams" a source thread, there are 5-10 posts from detractors defending the source or harassing and insulting @readalot. They seem to be the worst offenders in cluttering or "spamming" the thread.

If you can so easily ignore the excessive off-topic discussions, member-on-member insults, and fellatory-level behavior of source sycophants, I am just baffled as to why you or anyone else would be triggered by demands for more product analytical testing.

 

[Deadpool99]

Holy shit, I left this thread for a couple of days and now I have to catch up on all the drama, too many pages.

Shame I can't use Chatgpt for a quick summary

 

[Rhynosaurus]

Holy shit, I left this thread for a couple of days and now I have to catch up on all the drama, too many pages.

Shame I can't use Chatgpt for a quick summary

TLDR summation: meso doing the meso thing getting on Primal about his inconsistent testing (legit), using better stoppers/crimping in the future (legit), a couple newbie shills, and the rest of the gang along for the ride having fun shit-posting (also legit).

 

[JBird99]

TLDR summation: meso doing the meso thing getting on Primal about his inconsistent testing (legit), using better stoppers/crimping in the future (legit), a couple newbie shills, and the rest of the gang along for the ride having fun shit-posting (also legit).

I’d say that’s about as concise as you can put it.

 

[Deadpool99]

TLDR summation: meso doing the meso thing getting on Primal about his inconsistent testing (legit), using better stoppers/crimping in the future (legit), a couple newbie shills, and the rest of the gang along for the ride having fun shit-posting (also legit).

Thx for the summary. Saved me precious time trying to filter out everything. <3

 

[Jeffholio5]

I’m only here for the sales on under/over dosed items and the added microplastics fire sales.

 

[Deadpool99]

I’m only here for the sales on under/over dosed items and the added microplastics fire sales.

Unless the drama is bunk gear, I don’t rly think much of it. I got my tren, got it tested, turned out perfectly legit and dosed.

Half my furniture cause cancer, half the shit I cook with apparently causes cancer. Microplastics? Least of my concerns as of now. Just give me my tren thank you very much.

So I kind of just grab my popcorn and watch from afar.

 

[Rhynosaurus]

Thx for the summary. Saved me precious time trying to filter out everything.

Oh but @AllGoodThings made an excellent point about oil in gso is freezable, for us hoarders to prevent oxidation. Other than that, you're all caught up.