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[Ferhev]

bro tell me that tren ace don't hit hard af! Filtered a vial and let my wife smell the empty vial she was like damn!

Believe it or not, NPP destroys my mood in one week. Depressed and thinking crazy stories about my wife lol.

It’s been the opposite with Tren.

 

[Ghoul]

I'm in the midst of a 500mg/wk test cycle using Primal's test cyp. I'm a dumbass and didn't purchase the correct TT / FT test so my numbers are capped but everything else looks gorgeous. HCT isn't high. CRP isn't high. We can nitpick things that went wrong but we can always be thankful the products work. Thanks for your generosity to me and a clean product. @Primal_Pharma

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FYI: Lab ranges are out of date.

2.83mg HS-CRP is elevated. (If at least 2 tests in a row >1mg), and >2mg has clear elevated heart attack and stroke risk. Literally just announced a couple days ago, after being suspected for 30 years.

Prioritizing Health | hsCRP: A Promising Risk Assessment Tool - American College of Cardiology

www.acc.org

 

[Ferhev]

FYI: Lab ranges are out of date.

2.83mg HS-CRP is elevated. (If at least 2 tests in a row >1mg), and >2mg has clear elevated heart attack and stroke risk. Literally just announced a couple days ago, after being suspected for 30 years.

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Prioritizing Health | hsCRP: A Promising Risk Assessment Tool - American College of Cardiology

www.acc.org

Holy shit. Mine is 2.5 and it’s in green. Like pretty much my entire bloodwork

Are Those bastards lying to us ?

 

[Photon]

FYI: Lab ranges are out of date.

2.83mg HS-CRP is elevated. (If at least 2 tests in a row >1mg), and >2mg has clear elevated heart attack and stroke risk. Literally just announced a couple days ago, after being suspected for 30 years.

Just FYI that article is based off the Sep JACC statement which has been floating around on this forum. They just included it in the Dec magazine.

He's getting lumps so naturally CRP is going to be elevated.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

FYI: Lab ranges are out of date.

2.83mg HS-CRP is elevated. (If at least 2 tests in a row >1mg), and >2mg has clear elevated heart attack and stroke risk. Literally just announced a couple days ago, after being suspected for 30 years.

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Prioritizing Health | hsCRP: A Promising Risk Assessment Tool - American College of Cardiology

www.acc.org

Will take note of this. Thanks for the info.

Just FYI that article is based off the Sep JACC statement which has been floating around on this forum. They just included it in the Dec magazine.

He's getting lumps so naturally CRP is going to be elevated.

I'll trend crp with my next set of labs as well.

 

[Ghoul]

Holy shit. Mine is 2.5 and it’s in green. Like pretty much my entire bloodwork

Are Those bastards lying to us ?

I try make my health decisions by looking at the studies that lead the next round of treatment guideline updates (that take 10 years, 200 studies, and 1500 doctors to all agree on whether there’s sufficient evidence to change anything). I can tell you anything above 1mg has been understood to be a red flag for a long time, with vascular surgeons saying, basically, when operating, they’ve noticed patients with CRP >1 for extended periods have blood vessels that are in bad shape. I just read “age related hearing loss” is likely due to this type of inflammation destroying micro vessels that feed nerves in the ear.

But as you probably know, HS-CRP can jump up and down, and one reading isn’t good enough, also, it won’t be accurate on a heavy workout day or if you’ve taken an NSAID.

Cardio brings it down a bit. Fat loss helps.

GLP-1’s do a good job at reducing systemic inflammation (separate from weight loss).

Statins are the systemic anti-inflammation gorilla (50-60% reduction in a week), and the American College of Cardiologists (the main org representing cardiologists) now suggests using one if necessary, even if lipids are normal, to get HS-CRP below 1.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I try make my health decisions by looking at the studies that lead the next round of treatment guideline updates (that take 10 years, 200 studies, and 1500 doctors to all agree on whether there’s sufficient evidence to change anything). I can tell you anything above 1mg has been understood to be a red flag for a long time, with vascular surgeons saying, basically, when operating, they’ve noticed patients with CRP >1 for extended periods have blood vessels that are in bad shape. I just read “age related hearing loss” is likely due to this type of inflammation destroying micro vessels that feed nerves in the ear.

But as you probably know, HS-CRP can jump up and down, and one reading isn’t good enough, also, it won’t be accurate on a heavy workout day or if you’ve taken an NSAID.

Cardio brings it down a bit. Fat loss helps.

GLP-1’s do a good job at reducing systemic inflammation (separate from weight loss).

Statins are the systemic anti-inflammation gorilla (50-60% reduction in a week), and the American College of Cardiologists (the main org representing cardiologists) now suggests using one if necessary, even if lipids are normal, to get HS-CRP below 1.

great info here. will keep trending as this is my first time testing HS-CRP.

 

[crispybacon!]

even if the rumors turn out to be true about relabeling cn gear ill just keep supporting and filtering lmao

Just to be clear, it’s no longer a rumor - he confirmed it.

Not trying to bash Primal, and I’m frankly gonna stick around in hopes that things take a turn for the better (more good sources is a good thing). But anyone still buying from them should be doing so with a fair amount of skepticism. We are well past giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Photon]

But as you probably know, HS-CRP can jump up and down, and one reading isn’t good enough, also, it won’t be accurate on a heavy workout day or if you’ve taken an NSAID.

Have you looked at other markers like LDH and GlycA. I feel like hsCRP fluctuates too much to make it a good indicator. It's also pretty useless in helping narrow down the cause of elevation.

 

[AllGoodThings]

Holy shit. Mine is 2.5 and it’s in green. Like pretty much my entire bloodwork

Are Those bastards lying to us ?

In a sense, yes, they are being deceptive, even if not purposely. "Green" doesn't mean what most people think it means. Most assume a test result in the green indicates an "all good/clear", or no elevated risk. In actuality, laboratories that do the testing take the mean of "healthy" people who have had the test done, allow for +/- 2 standard deviations, and label that "green". If you want to know where you should actually be, you'll need to do research into each specific test and learn where elevated risk(s) start to show up for those tests, and that's often well within the "green" for many tests.

 

[Dumbellsanonymous]

Man I’ve been titrating up the dose, since I started low.

No sides at all. Right now I’m at 250mg TrenA a week (injected daily) and I feel perfect. The only thing I’ve seen is sometimes I don’t sleep the whole night, but I have a bedtime stack in place and I still sleep good enough.

I’ll keep going up to see where my ceiling is lol

I've been using his and oep for 5 weeks now jumping off in two more I don't deal with much in sides like you but I sleep but it's not quality sleep even on 10ius of gh. Been on 50mg eod since the start hope you're cycle keeps going well bubba! Only used tren 2x the first was an idiot and did 700mg a week it was totally unnecessary felt like I could of got the same recomp form 200mg minus the night sweats lmao live and learn tho

 

[RockyP]

I try make my health decisions by looking at the studies that lead the next round of treatment guideline updates (that take 10 years, 200 studies, and 1500 doctors to all agree on whether there’s sufficient evidence to change anything). I can tell you anything above 1mg has been understood to be a red flag for a long time, with vascular surgeons saying, basically, when operating, they’ve noticed patients with CRP >1 for extended periods have blood vessels that are in bad shape. I just read “age related hearing loss” is likely due to this type of inflammation destroying micro vessels that feed nerves in the ear.

But as you probably know, HS-CRP can jump up and down, and one reading isn’t good enough, also, it won’t be accurate on a heavy workout day or if you’ve taken an NSAID.

Cardio brings it down a bit. Fat loss helps.

GLP-1’s do a good job at reducing systemic inflammation (separate from weight loss).

Statins are the systemic anti-inflammation gorilla (50-60% reduction in a week), and the American College of Cardiologists (the main org representing cardiologists) now suggests using one if necessary, even if lipids are normal, to get HS-CRP below 1.

Another reason why I also take Vascepa along with Pita and Zetia. Side effect free anti-inflammatory effects. I take it even though my Trig's are normal.

While I still don't think that taking pro competitor levels of Gear and HGH will ever be safe, the information on this Board posted by @Ghoul and others regarding statins and other interventions will assuredly save and prolong a lot of lives of the guys on here. Everyone is different, but between statins, Zetia, Nexletol, Repatha, GLP-1's, and some other tricks (berberine, nattokinase, TUDCA, glutathione, etc.) I think the safety profile for recreational medium gear users (say up to 1500 mg / week) is DRASTICALLY shifted if one adheres to an aggressive prevention protocol.

 

[RockyP]

I've been using his and oep for 5 weeks now jumping off in two more I don't deal with much in sides like you but I sleep but it's not quality sleep even on 10ius of gh. Been on 50mg eod since the start hope you're cycle keeps going well bubba! Only used tren 2x the first was an idiot and did 700mg a week it was totally unnecessary felt like I could of got the same recomp form 200mg minus the night sweats lmao live and learn tho

I'm at 50 mg eod and zero side effects - however - feeling great and being great on the inside are not the same. I'm pulling bloods soon to see what's what. I don't see any reason to increase my dosage even though no side effects. The effects are so drastic, so quick to come on.

 

[Ghoul]

Just FYI that article is based off the Sep JACC statement which has been floating around on this forum. They just included it in the Dec magazine.

He's getting lumps so naturally CRP is going to be elevated.

You’re right, a couple of months ago, @readalot posted it in the heart attack at 30(or something) post, I had forgotten.

I didn’t know he had those sub-q lumps.

Whether fast resolving sterile lumps dump enough signal to cause that much of a rise I guess is to be determined. When I get them they’re purely from the depot, not any kind of trauma that makes them form after a delay.

The point was the lab range was inaccurate and 2.8 should put one on the lookout for a trend.

 

[Ferhev]

I've been using his and oep for 5 weeks now jumping off in two more I don't deal with much in sides like you but I sleep but it's not quality sleep even on 10ius of gh. Been on 50mg eod since the start hope you're cycle keeps going well bubba! Only used tren 2x the first was an idiot and did 700mg a week it was totally unnecessary felt like I could of got the same recomp form 200mg minus the night sweats lmao live and learn tho

Thanks Man! Yeah I won’t be going to high since I’m not chasing sides. I’ll go up to 300mg if no sides show up. (Said everyone every time lol)

 

[maleficarum]

@Ghoul i know its a big ask, and it may already exist, but on the off chance it does not -- would you be up for the idea of creating a thread where you document proactive risk mitigation for PED users?

ive seen your posts sprinkled throughout many a vendor thread and while they have been informative, it is difficult to keep track of. just food for thought, given this forums primary focus is risk reduction/mitigation.

 

[Ateam2023]

@Ghoul i know its a big ask, and it may already exist, but on the off chance it does not -- would you be up for the idea of creating a thread where you document proactive risk mitigation for PED users?

ive seen your posts sprinkled throughout many a vendor thread and while they have been informative, it is difficult to keep track of. just food for thought, given this forums primary focus is risk reduction/mitigation.

So basically he can do all the homework for you.?? That's a big ask even for the Great ghoul.

 

[RockyP]

Start by searching the following

Pitavastatin
Ezetemibe
Repatha
GLP-1
Telmisartan
Bempedoic acid
Icosapent ethyl

 

[dcfreak]

Start by searching the following

Pitavastatin
Ezetemibe
Repatha
GLP-1
Telmisartan
Bempedoic acid
Icosapent ethyl

What kind of numbers would you start to look at a statin?

I run ezetimibe- LDL is 55 HDL 30. Figure im not needing one yet

 

[k710]

@Ghoul i know its a big ask, and it may already exist, but on the off chance it does not -- would you be up for the idea of creating a thread where you document proactive risk mitigation for PED users?

ive seen your posts sprinkled throughout many a vendor thread and while they have been informative, it is difficult to keep track of. just food for thought, given this forums primary focus is risk reduction/mitigation.

You can start a thread linking all the posts youve found informative about risk mitigation. Im sure an AI would throw into an easy to read format if you feed it the thread. The big brains are always dropping golden nuggets as things get brought up throughout the meso forums. Liking and bookmarking are nifty tools to be able to reference information at later times too