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[Photon]

This community has tried to hold this source to the standard he claimed to want to set since his arrival. Eventually you learn who is all talk and who isn’t. How many times does a vendor get to say we’ll try harder, we’ll do better, etc before having to follow through? The answer is they will be able to forever due to their good prices, good sales, no order min, and fast shipping. (None of which are indicators of quality)

Tbh I personally think a lot of their products are probably* accurately dosed. The stuff that doesn’t move very fast at least. But. The products that fly off the shelves though? The ones they can’t make single homogeneous batches of? Those are the ones they will send 1 sample in, label all vials 1 batch, and customers will have pretty close to zero idea the true results of what they are using unless they test themselves. And even when customers have tested them and they come back with different results, there’s just excuses, deflection, and eventually people just move on. Honestly as I’m writing this I’m wondering why I still follow this thread. Maybe because Iv been here since page 1, seen it all, and still hoped he could turn things around. But I digress. He will be successful here. Good luck to everyone.

Tbh I shouldn't be here either.

Cmon brother. If we don’t police the sources nobody will. Thats the point of this forum. If you feel that way then don’t provide input with your two years of extensive UGL experience. Let the folks pushing standards push the standards for the sake of others. Maybe you don’t give a shit but someone might. Lots of history to this thread you e not been here for. But for sure post up those floaters

Hate to say this but relying on the community to vet isn't going to work..alot of the guys who vet are already gone. There's only so much you can call out to a wall before one moves on.

 

[Wannabesamsulek]

Long post, but yes the issue is that the final product nor raws were tested.

There are 4 different colored EQ brews. The color isn't necessarily the issue. These brews were made from different sets of raws, untested, and only 1 final product was tested, with no indication as to which "color" it belongs to.

Regardless of what the final product tested as, nobody wants to use products made from 60% raws. You may hit target mg/ml but you are taking in an additional 40% of unknown junk.

Appreciate the clarification. That does seem like an issue. So there are finished oils being sold that aren’t tested and the raws are untested? I guess I will be looking through my EQ collection from them tonight.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

That's because you've been reading Meso where expert brewers discuss 90 million details [majoring in the minors]

when it's really much much simpler: El Luchador

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You’re asking for perfection from a UGL. Based on my last 6-7 months I’ve had only good experiences with the ape. This is the way it’s been. I’ve never had a source that has had everything perfect. Find another EQ source that’s has the test you want them to have.

You do realize there are at least a couple of ugls in this forum that are up to the standards that people demand here right? I respect the long time members that hold sources accountable and appreciate it for sure. That in itself is a form of harm reduction, seeing as that’s the main theme of this forum.

 

[Dial It In]

Appreciate the clarification. That does seem like an issue. So there are finished oils being sold that aren’t tested and the raws are untested? I guess I will be looking through my EQ collection from them tonight.

For sure raws not tested and that brings purity questions into play. Most sources that try to care won’t brew raws at a low purity and havent and made that announcement to the community. I mean we’ve got test p raws being passed off as primo but if you brew it and sell it before it comes back then it’s too late. You can find them in the forum that have done just that. We have a tested EQ a different color that could’ve been brewed god knows when or by god knows who. For sure a tested finished product tells us zero story on raw purity or lack there of and nobody knows, including the source what was what.

 

[Photon]

You’re asking for perfection from a UGL. Based on my last 6-7 months I’ve had only good experiences with the ape. This is the way it’s been. I’ve never had a source that has had everything perfect. Find another EQ source that’s has the test you want them to have.

There's more than 5 on this board alone that has standards...

 

[Wannabesamsulek]

There's more than 5 on this board alone that has standards...

Those 5 are the real exceptions and definitely aren’t nearly at the same scale as Primal.

 

[Trenmademedoit]

Cmon brother. If we don’t police the sources nobody will. Thats the point of this forum. If you feel that way then don’t provide input with your two years of extensive UGL experience. Let the folks pushing standards push the standards for the sake of others. Maybe you don’t give a shit but someone might. Lots of history to this thread you e not been here for. But for sure post up those floaters.

Of course there has to be standard's, but what I’m trying to relay is boycott the EQ! Force source to dumb their batch! It’s fucking trash cause you don’t know what it is. Same with the Tren. If there’s truly plastic make em dump it don’t buy it! I’m not gonna get more tren if I’m pinning plastic in my ass. Source isn’t going to test the EQ cause god knows how much is left in the batches to begin with. A lot of people I know are on prep, but like everyone else says. These prices are so cheap
and for some that’s enough, but for me *primal won’t test EQ properly. Never buying unless they test properly

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Of course there has to be standard's, but what I’m trying to relay is boycott the EQ! Force source to dumb their batch! It’s fucking trash cause you don’t know what it is. Same with the Tren. If there’s truly plastic make em dump it don’t buy it! I’m not gonna get more tren if I’m pinning plastic in my ass. Source isn’t going to test the EQ cause god knows how much is left in the batches to begin with. A lot of people I know are on prep, but like everyone else says. These prices are so cheap
and for some that’s enough, but for me *primal won’t test EQ properly. Never buying unless they test properly

Calm down, young Padawan

Tren E200 GCMS - Janoshik Analytical

Tren E200 HPLC

Tren E300 HPLC

 

[Tk1000]

Here is the final results of the samples I sent into Jano.

P11 Sealed Vial Batch - 235.63 mg/ml
P11 Combined Vial Batch (14 P11 vials combined & sample drawn from 100ml vial) - 252.20 mg/ml

P11 Sealed Jano Link
P11 Combined Jano Link

P10 Sealed Vial Batch - 261.82 mg/ml
P10 Combined Batch (14 P10 vials combined & sample drawn from 100ml vial) - 249.13 mg/ml

P10 Sealed Jano Link
P10 Combined Jano Link

With the issues with the eq, I’m pulling this up again to show that batch ID really seams to be absolutely meaningless. From the test cyp testing above it’s either over/under dosed and has no consistency among two different “batches”.

Primal has stated many times this wasn’t going to happen again and testing raws and finished batches would be done prior to sale but nothing has changed. Quality and transparency clearly isn’t his focus.

Only way to know what you’re getting is to test yourself and there’s such a vial to vial variance proven by the testing above that even if you test one vial it could be completely different than the vial received in the same order. You’d never know unless you test everything, At least the EQ has 10 shades of yellow to differentiate batches.

I was hoping he’d follow through testing commitments but it appears it will continue as is.

 

[Volmp9]

Calm down, young Padawan

Tren E200 GCMS - Janoshik Analytical

Tren E200 HPLC
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Tren E300 HPLC
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Where is the dark EQ300 P12?

 

[osqe]

Calm down, young Padawan

Nice, but tbh I bought EQ seeing the P12 batch testing on the site expecting it to be that tested batch and received P13 which there is no testing for.
Would you consider adding a dropdown, when applicable, to the items on the wordpress site for selecting batch below the dosage, size, and carrier oil options? If there are no other options the batch being purchased should be denoted.
It would be a good improvement imo.

 

[Trenmademedoit]

Where is the dark EQ300 P12?

This was the point I was making brother. He’s not gonna acknowledge it. Batch is all screwed up, most like don’t know what’s what, but it would be nice if he’d admit, take the loss and make a new batch. Or sell it as a discounted price stating is a inconsistent batch

 

[nudemember]

come on guys he's got a lot going on behind the scene! just let him continue to fall through on his claims because there's so much you don't know on the back end. the community holding him accountable is the reason he's "going private" right? so he can do whatever he wants without question or scrutiny. or it's just his current scheme to get the buffoon's to buy more gear that isn't tested and brewed the way he promised it would be.

 

[Trenmademedoit]

Nice, but tbh I bought EQ seeing the P12 batch testing on the site expecting it to be that tested batch and received P13 which there is no testing for.
Would you consider adding a dropdown, when applicable, to the items on the wordpress site for selecting batch below the dosage, size, and carrier oil options? If there are no other options the batch being purchased should be denoted.
It would be a good improvement imo.

Agree on this. If there are multiple batches and one is untested it should say so.

 

[danny91t]

So you sent it..waited for results..then apparently did not send it and now have a new batch you are sending out?

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Primal... have we learned nothing....

 

[oldage]

Friendly advice - You’re pushing for nothing. Accept things as they are, or move on. Those are your choices here.

This is a harm reduction site. I completely disagree with this statement. Pushing is what all of us should do consistently.

Are u coming from SST?

 

[oldage]

You’re asking for perfection from a UGL. Based on my last 6-7 months I’ve had only good experiences with the ape. This is the way it’s been. I’ve never had a source that has had everything perfect. Find another EQ source that’s has the test you want them to have.

Nope. The point is make things better. Not accept them for what they are and push for better. Everyone has a choice wether to buy or not. But u pushing for lesser quality helps noone and hurts the community in the long run.

 

[Infernalmango]

This is a harm reduction site. I completely disagree with this statement. Pushing is what all of us should do consistently.

Are u coming from SST?

I’m on SST yes. I’m not sure how much pushing it would take to get things to change with this vendor, but feel free to ping me when you think it’s gtg.

 

[oldage]

come on guys he's got a lot going on behind the scene! just let him continue to fall through on his claims because there's so much you don't know on the back end. the community holding him accountable is the reason he's "going private" right? so he can do whatever he wants without question or scrutiny. or it's just his current scheme to get the buffoon's to buy more gear that isn't tested and brewed the way he promised it would be.

His exposure outside the Meso community lole TikTok, etc.. is rather high. Lots of risk with that. I'd go private for that reason alone.

 

[dcfreak]

Going private sounds good to me