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[TheMoto]

I know it's a shitty way to find out but if you run that eq and it ends up to be tren and you can't notice within 2 weeks that person has no business running gear..

If you’re worried about the color of that eq you have no business running gear

 

[Veinyone]

If you’re having EQ problems, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but another vendors 500mg/ml eq ain’t one.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Bro, you said you're going to change the way things are done around here. You didn't send the EQ for testing. Just brewed it up and sent it. TEST YOUR RAWS, AND TEST YOUR BREW. I know you're making funds hand-over-fist, but you're not setting a standard. Just another source that'll prob flame out.

For clarity, the finished product was sent in for testing. There are a lot of moving parts on the backend, and the process is neither simple nor fast, despite how it may look from the outside.

It’s also worth being realistic about the landscape here. A lot of sources people point to as standards go MIA for days at a time, take random days off, and don’t even operate on weekends. We studied that environment, learned from it, and chose a different approach. We’re steadily improving how we operate and moving in the right direction, even if it’s never fast enough for everyone.

Complaints will exist no matter what. With us likely moving private soon, our focus is on filling orders and answering emails as quickly as possible, seven days a week, because at the end of the day it’s impossible to please everyone.

 

[Volmp9]

For clarity, the finished product was sent in for testing. There are a lot of moving parts on the backend, and the process is neither simple nor fast, despite how it may look from the outside.

It’s also worth being realistic about the landscape here. A lot of sources people point to as standards go MIA for days at a time, take random days off, and don’t even operate on weekends. We studied that environment, learned from it, and chose a different approach. We’re steadily improving how we operate and moving in the right direction, even if it’s never fast enough for everyone.

Complaints will exist no matter what. With us likely moving private soon, our focus is on filling orders and answering emails as quickly as possible, seven days a week, because at the end of the day it’s impossible to please everyone.

Can you provide the testing that was done on EQ300 P12 in this thread?

 

[newguy2]

For clarity, the finished product was sent in for testing. There are a lot of moving parts on the backend, and the process is neither simple nor fast, despite how it may look from the outside.

It’s also worth being realistic about the landscape here. A lot of sources people point to as standards go MIA for days at a time, take random days off, and don’t even operate on weekends. We studied that environment, learned from it, and chose a different approach. We’re steadily improving how we operate and moving in the right direction, even if it’s never fast enough for everyone.

Complaints will exist no matter what. With us likely moving private soon, our focus is on filling orders and answering emails as quickly as possible, seven days a week, because at the end of the day it’s impossible to please everyone.

People just want you to stick to your word and do what you said you would do. That's it.

 

[Photon]

For clarity, the finished product was sent in for testing. There are a lot of moving parts on the backend, and the process is neither simple nor fast, despite how it may look from the outside.

It’s also worth being realistic about the landscape here. A lot of sources people point to as standards go MIA for days at a time, take random days off, and don’t even operate on weekends. We studied that environment, learned from it, and chose a different approach. We’re steadily improving how we operate and moving in the right direction, even if it’s never fast enough for everyone.

Complaints will exist no matter what. With us likely moving private soon, our focus is on filling orders and answering emails as quickly as possible, seven days a week, because at the end of the day it’s impossible to please everyone.

+1 going private.
All the best!!

 

[Primal_Pharma]

Can you provide the testing that was done on EQ300 P12 in this thread?

GCMS - https://janoshik.com/tests/91472-EQ300_69NANIU2MED8

 

[Photon]

GCMS - https://janoshik.com/tests/91472-EQ300_69NANIU2MED8

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Which color vial is this?
You already mentioned they were different raws.

 

[Volmp9]

GCMS - https://janoshik.com/tests/91472-EQ300_69NANIU2MED8

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Ok, so you have a test for the lighter colored vial. Where is the test for the darker one since they were done with different raws?

 

[Wannabesamsulek]

For what it’s worth, I’ve passed Orgo 1 and Orgo 2 with a B, so I feel like I’m able to comment on this boldenone situation.

Color variation in EQ solutions is not a reliable indicator of dose, purity, or product quality. The color you see in an oil is almost always due to trace-level impurities, not the amount of active boldenone undecylenate present. Impurities can also behave differently when heat is applied during brewing. Small differences in time or temperature can cause minor oxidation or chromophore changes in the impurity itself, which can darken or yellow the oil without affecting the actual boldenone molecule.

If boldenone itself were oxidized from overexposure to heat it would no longer be boldenone. Oxidation means a loss of electrons, which changes the molecular structure. Analytical testing would pick that up immediately as either a lower boldenone content or the presence of degradation products. You don’t get “oxidized boldenone” that still counts as boldenone in testing. So the mg dose on the test is accurate despite the color assuming the same raw batch was used, it is likely just a difference in how the raws were brewed.

If a batch tests at 300 mg/mL by MS, then it is 300 mg/mL of intact boldenone undecylenate. MS isn’t fooled by color, oil clarity, or impurities that aren’t boldenone.

I don’t see how we are holding primal at fault here unless he didn’t test the final product before selling it. Even if the initial raws were different, if the final product tested at 300mg/ml he is selling what is advertised. If I’m completely misunderstanding the situation then ignore my comments and continue the roasting.

 

[Infernalmango]

For what it’s worth, I’ve passed Orgo 1 and Orgo 2 with a B, so I feel like I’m able to comment on this boldenone situation.

Color variation in EQ solutions is not a reliable indicator of dose, purity, or product quality. The color you see in an oil is almost always due to trace-level impurities, not the amount of active boldenone undecylenate present. Impurities can also behave differently when heat is applied during brewing. Small differences in time or temperature can cause minor oxidation or chromophore changes in the impurity itself, which can darken or yellow the oil without affecting the actual boldenone molecule.

If boldenone itself were oxidized from overexposure to heat it would no longer be boldenone. Oxidation means a loss of electrons, which changes the molecular structure. Analytical testing would pick that up immediately as either a lower boldenone content or the presence of degradation products. You don’t get “oxidized boldenone” that still counts as boldenone in testing. So the mg dose on the test is accurate despite the color assuming the same raw batch was used, it is likely just a difference in how the raws were brewed.

If a batch tests at 300 mg/mL by MS, then it is 300 mg/mL of intact boldenone undecylenate. MS isn’t fooled by color, oil clarity, or impurities that aren’t boldenone.

I don’t see how we are holding primal at fault here unless he didn’t test the final product before selling it. Even if the initial raws were different, if the final product tested at 300mg/ml he is selling what is advertised. If I’m completely misunderstanding the situation then ignore my comments and continue the roasting.

How many different colored vials of eq from “1 batch” would you expect to be possible

 

[Photon]

For what it’s worth, I’ve passed Orgo 1 and Orgo 2 with a B, so I feel like I’m able to comment on this boldenone situation.

Color variation in EQ solutions is not a reliable indicator of dose, purity, or product quality. The color you see in an oil is almost always due to trace-level impurities, not the amount of active boldenone undecylenate present. Impurities can also behave differently when heat is applied during brewing. Small differences in time or temperature can cause minor oxidation or chromophore changes in the impurity itself, which can darken or yellow the oil without affecting the actual boldenone molecule.

If boldenone itself were oxidized from overexposure to heat it would no longer be boldenone. Oxidation means a loss of electrons, which changes the molecular structure. Analytical testing would pick that up immediately as either a lower boldenone content or the presence of degradation products. You don’t get “oxidized boldenone” that still counts as boldenone in testing. So the mg dose on the test is accurate despite the color assuming the same raw batch was used, it is likely just a difference in how the raws were brewed.

If a batch tests at 300 mg/mL by MS, then it is 300 mg/mL of intact boldenone undecylenate. MS isn’t fooled by color, oil clarity, or impurities that aren’t boldenone.

I don’t see how we are holding primal at fault here unless he didn’t test the final product before selling it. Even if the initial raws were different, if the final product tested at 300mg/ml he is selling what is advertised. If I’m completely misunderstanding the situation then ignore my comments and continue the roasting.

Long post, but yes the issue is that the final product nor raws were tested.

There are 4 different colored EQ brews. The color isn't necessarily the issue. These brews were made from different sets of raws, untested, and only 1 final product was tested, with no indication as to which "color" it belongs to.

Regardless of what the final product tested as, nobody wants to use products made from 60% raws. You may hit target mg/ml but you are taking in an additional 40% of unknown junk.

 

[Trenmademedoit]

Someone had mentioned their tren 400 had plastic. Just checked my Tren E 200 and confirmed there’s pieces of what appears to be blue plastic. How cooked am I?

 

[Volmp9]

For what it’s worth, I’ve passed Orgo 1 and Orgo 2 with a B, so I feel like I’m able to comment on this boldenone situation.

Color variation in EQ solutions is not a reliable indicator of dose, purity, or product quality. The color you see in an oil is almost always due to trace-level impurities, not the amount of active boldenone undecylenate present. Impurities can also behave differently when heat is applied during brewing. Small differences in time or temperature can cause minor oxidation or chromophore changes in the impurity itself, which can darken or yellow the oil without affecting the actual boldenone molecule.

If boldenone itself were oxidized from overexposure to heat it would no longer be boldenone. Oxidation means a loss of electrons, which changes the molecular structure. Analytical testing would pick that up immediately as either a lower boldenone content or the presence of degradation products. You don’t get “oxidized boldenone” that still counts as boldenone in testing. So the mg dose on the test is accurate despite the color assuming the same raw batch was used, it is likely just a difference in how the raws were brewed.

If a batch tests at 300 mg/mL by MS, then it is 300 mg/mL of intact boldenone undecylenate. MS isn’t fooled by color, oil clarity, or impurities that aren’t boldenone.

I don’t see how we are holding primal at fault here unless he didn’t test the final product before selling it. Even if the initial raws were different, if the final product tested at 300mg/ml he is selling what is advertised. If I’m completely misunderstanding the situation then ignore my comments and continue the roasting.

I‘m not going to give out my personal info and qualifications, can say that I have higher qualifications thought.

The issue that you are missing is that he didn’t make a homogeneous P12 Batch. If he had blended all the raws together and made a homogeneous product than a single test could be considered representative. However, if this had been done why do we have the color variation.

If he used different raws during the course of production, than this would introduce variation in the quality. What is the quality difference in the raws? What is the root cause of the color variance?

The issue is that the process Variation that caused the color variation that we see with P12 is unknown. There is no data from testing of either raw materials or finished product to no what happened and if there is quality variation across P12

 

[Volmp9]

Long post, but yes the issue is that the final product nor raws were tested.

There are 4 different colored EQ brews. The color isn't necessarily the issue. These brews were made from different sets of raws, untested, and only 1 final product was tested, with no indication as to which "color" it belongs to.

Regardless of what the final product tested as, nobody wants to use products made from 60% raws. You may hit target mg/ml but you are taking in an additional 40% of unknown junk.

You can go to Jano‘s site and see the picture, it is the lighter color EQ

 

[Photon]

You can go to Jano‘s site and see the picture, it is the lighter color EQ

Well at least now we know which it is.

Someone had mentioned their tren 400 had plastic. Just checked my Tren E 200 and confirmed there’s pieces of what appears to be blue plastic. How cooked am I?

You might have the honor of turning into a Smurf.

 

[Volmp9]

Well at least now we know which it is.

We need to continue to push for testing of the darker color

@Primal_Pharma How are we going to get the darker EQ test report? We need to see you making this right and need to not have this going forward. You said you would test the raws and final product.

 

[Trenmademedoit]

You might have the honor of turning into a Smurf.

This was me second vial too my dumbass didn’t see the big ass fishes floating around

 

[Infernalmango]

We need to continue to push for testing of the darker color

@Primal_Pharma How are we going to get the darker EQ test report? We need to see you making this right and need to not have this going forward. You said you would test the raws and final product.

Friendly advice - You’re pushing for nothing. Accept things as they are, or move on. Those are your choices here.

 

[Infernalmango]

This was me second vial too my dumbass didn’t see the big ass fishes floating around

To be fair, the first plastic found in the tren400 wasn’t visible. It was plastic shtuff found in the gcms. What it sounds like you have is filter fibers of some sort. Upload a pic of them.