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Photon
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Ok, so you have a test for the lighter colored vial. Where is the test for the darker one since they were done with different raws?
Wannabesamsulek
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For what it’s worth, I’ve passed Orgo 1 and Orgo 2 with a B, so I feel like I’m able to comment on this boldenone situation.
Color variation in EQ solutions is not a reliable indicator of dose, purity, or product quality. The color you see in an oil is almost always due to trace-level impurities, not the amount of active boldenone undecylenate present. Impurities can also behave differently when heat is applied during brewing. Small differences in time or temperature can cause minor oxidation or chromophore changes in the impurity itself, which can darken or yellow the oil without affecting the actual boldenone molecule.
If boldenone itself were oxidized from overexposure to heat it would no longer be boldenone. Oxidation means a loss of electrons, which changes the molecular structure. Analytical testing would pick that up immediately as either a lower boldenone content or the presence of degradation products. You don’t get “oxidized boldenone” that still counts as boldenone in testing. So the mg dose on the test is accurate despite the color assuming the same raw batch was used, it is likely just a difference in how the raws were brewed.
If a batch tests at 300 mg/mL by MS, then it is 300 mg/mL of intact boldenone undecylenate. MS isn’t fooled by color, oil clarity, or impurities that aren’t boldenone.
I don’t see how we are holding primal at fault here unless he didn’t test the final product before selling it. Even if the initial raws were different, if the final product tested at 300mg/ml he is selling what is advertised. If I’m completely misunderstanding the situation then ignore my comments and continue the roasting.
Color variation in EQ solutions is not a reliable indicator of dose, purity, or product quality. The color you see in an oil is almost always due to trace-level impurities, not the amount of active boldenone undecylenate present. Impurities can also behave differently when heat is applied during brewing. Small differences in time or temperature can cause minor oxidation or chromophore changes in the impurity itself, which can darken or yellow the oil without affecting the actual boldenone molecule.
If boldenone itself were oxidized from overexposure to heat it would no longer be boldenone. Oxidation means a loss of electrons, which changes the molecular structure. Analytical testing would pick that up immediately as either a lower boldenone content or the presence of degradation products. You don’t get “oxidized boldenone” that still counts as boldenone in testing. So the mg dose on the test is accurate despite the color assuming the same raw batch was used, it is likely just a difference in how the raws were brewed.
If a batch tests at 300 mg/mL by MS, then it is 300 mg/mL of intact boldenone undecylenate. MS isn’t fooled by color, oil clarity, or impurities that aren’t boldenone.
I don’t see how we are holding primal at fault here unless he didn’t test the final product before selling it. Even if the initial raws were different, if the final product tested at 300mg/ml he is selling what is advertised. If I’m completely misunderstanding the situation then ignore my comments and continue the roasting.
Infernalmango
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How many different colored vials of eq from “1 batch” would you expect to be possible
Photon
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Long post, but yes the issue is that the final product nor raws were tested.
There are 4 different colored EQ brews. The color isn't necessarily the issue. These brews were made from different sets of raws, untested, and only 1 final product was tested, with no indication as to which "color" it belongs to.
Regardless of what the final product tested as, nobody wants to use products made from 60% raws. You may hit target mg/ml but you are taking in an additional 40% of unknown junk.
Trenmademedoit
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Someone had mentioned their tren 400 had plastic. Just checked my Tren E 200 and confirmed there’s pieces of what appears to be blue plastic. How cooked am I?
I‘m not going to give out my personal info and qualifications, can say that I have higher qualifications thought.
The issue that you are missing is that he didn’t make a homogeneous P12 Batch. If he had blended all the raws together and made a homogeneous product than a single test could be considered representative. However, if this had been done why do we have the color variation.
If he used different raws during the course of production, than this would introduce variation in the quality. What is the quality difference in the raws? What is the root cause of the color variance?
The issue is that the process Variation that caused the color variation that we see with P12 is unknown. There is no data from testing of either raw materials or finished product to no what happened and if there is quality variation across P12
You can go to Jano‘s site and see the picture, it is the lighter color EQ
Photon
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Well at least now we know which it is.
You might have the honor of turning into a Smurf.
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We need to continue to push for testing of the darker color
@Primal_Pharma How are we going to get the darker EQ test report? We need to see you making this right and need to not have this going forward. You said you would test the raws and final product.
Trenmademedoit
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This was me second vial too my dumbass didn’t see the big ass fishes floating around
Infernalmango
Member
Friendly advice - You’re pushing for nothing. Accept things as they are, or move on. Those are your choices here.
Infernalmango
Member
To be fair, the first plastic found in the tren400 wasn’t visible. It was plastic shtuff found in the gcms. What it sounds like you have is filter fibers of some sort. Upload a pic of them.
Trenmademedoit
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Will do. Ill post pics in a few hours.
True, in the end he doesn’t have to keep his word. I understand that. I know he will make plenty of money anyway.
I was hoping he would end up being a good source. If this community doesn’t want to hold sources to a standard than we will still get ones that feel like they don’t have to meet a standard. That acceptance from the community does not benefit any of us
Trenmademedoit
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You’re asking for perfection from a UGL. Based on my last 6-7 months I’ve had only good experiences with the ape. This is the way it’s been. I’ve never had a source that has had everything perfect. Find another EQ source that’s has the test you want them to have.
Dial It In
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Don’t worry they ship fast though, all good. Plenty of reimburse credit for 3rd party test from savings by not testing raws. All good
Infernalmango
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This community has tried to hold this source to the standard he claimed to want to set since his arrival. Eventually you learn who is all talk and who isn’t. How many times does a vendor get to say we’ll try harder, we’ll do better, etc before having to follow through? The answer is they will be able to forever due to their good prices, good sales, no order min, and fast shipping. (None of which are indicators of quality)
Tbh I personally think a lot of their products are probably* accurately dosed. The stuff that doesn’t move very fast at least. But. The products that fly off the shelves though? The ones they can’t make single homogeneous batches of? Those are the ones they will send 1 sample in, label all vials 1 batch, and customers will have pretty close to zero idea the true results of what they are using unless they test themselves. And even when customers have tested them and they come back with different results, there’s just excuses, deflection, and eventually people just move on. Honestly as I’m writing this I’m wondering why I still follow this thread. Maybe because Iv been here since page 1, seen it all, and still hoped he could turn things around. But I digress. He will be successful here. Good luck to everyone.
Dial It In
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Cmon brother. If we don’t police the sources nobody will. Thats the point of this forum. If you feel that way then don’t provide input with your two years of extensive UGL experience. Let the folks pushing standards push the standards for the sake of others. Maybe you don’t give a shit but someone might. Lots of history to this thread you e not been here for. But for sure post up those floaters.
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