Primo and deca

[Liqd fire]

i am looking into a cycle of 600mg deca/wk for 10 weeks. and primo at 300mg/wk what kind of gains could i expect from this cycle? i was mass. so hopefully i will gain somewhere around 15 solid pounds with this. i want to keep as much of my gains as possible. what should i use post cycle to keep the gains i make?

 

[N4cer]

Well, how much test?
Why is Primo in the subject title, but not in the post? Are you including it in your cycle?

 

[Starkraven]

Well, you mentioned primo and deca, but your post says dbol and deca. i would definately add test 500-750mg per week with either of the cycles. 15 solid pounds is alot and depends on many factors, mainly your genetic potential, history of AAS use, training and most importantly diet.

 

[Liqd fire]

sorry bros. i corrected it. i was going to do 300mg/ primo every week and 600mg of deca a week. both for 10 weeks. i have only done one cycle before and it was test enanthate at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and dbol at 30mg/ed for 5 weeks. i gained 23 lbs. and kept 16. so i think i did pretty good. what gains do you think i would get fromt he primo and deca?

 

[N4cer]

You'd most likely gain depression and a limp dick if you don't add test to that stack.

Gains are NOT a function of the gear you use. Gains are a result of the quantity of macronutrients you consume. So you could gain anywhere from 0-40lbs.

And I'm HONESTLY not trying to be a dick. It's just that the type of gear has very little to do with total gains. But 20lbs isn't an unreal goal, IF your diet is in order.

 

[wolfman]

sorry bros. i corrected it. i was going to do 300mg/ primo every week and 600mg of deca a week. both for 10 weeks. i have only done one cycle before and it was test enanthate at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and dbol at 30mg/ed for 5 weeks. i gained 23 lbs. and kept 16. so i think i did pretty good. what gains do you think i would get fromt he primo and deca?

IMHO, you'll be disappointed if you go with the cycle you have planned...If you're hell bent on using the deca and primo, run it for atleast 10-12 wks. and add some test to it...You could go 400mg. ea. of test,deca,and primo...This MAY deliver the results you're after if diet is in order...Good Luck

-wolfman

 

[Starkraven]

shit i would repeat the first cycle you did and eat more clean food like lean steaks and potatoes.

 

[leodavinci]

sorry bros. i corrected it. i was going to do 300mg/ primo every week and 600mg of deca a week. both for 10 weeks. i have only done one cycle before and it was test enanthate at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and dbol at 30mg/ed for 5 weeks. i gained 23 lbs. and kept 16. so i think i did pretty good. what gains do you think i would get fromt he primo and deca?

you could run the cycle a little longer, but that means you have to buy more primo. It looks like it could be fairly side effect free as long as you arent prone to deca bloat.

 

[Liqd fire]

new plan

ok bros. thanks for all the tips. this is what i think my next cycle will look like.

Weeks 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk
Test Enenthate 500mg/wk

Weeks 1-6
Dbol 50mg/ED

Weeks 6-12
Winstrol 100mg/eod

if i am eating like a madman and training hard, what gains should i expect? i am kind of a hard gainer though so take that into consideration. i have some clomid and nolvadex on hand if needed.

 

[spookaroo]

ok bros. thanks for all the tips. this is what i think my next cycle will look like.

Weeks 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk
Test Enenthate 500mg/wk

Weeks 1-6
Dbol 50mg/ED

Weeks 6-12
Winstrol 100mg/eod

if i am eating like a madman and training hard, what gains should i expect? i am kind of a hard gainer though so take that into consideration. i have some clomid and nolvadex on hand if needed.

I still don't like it. Deca has a real tendency to shut down your libido and it seems to happen more apparently after about 8 weeks. Also your taking 17aa steroids for 12 weeks which is not what I'd prefer. Personally given what you've seem to have there, I'd do the test at about 750mgs or more weeks 1-10 dbol wks 1-5 at your 50mgs and do the winny for the same weeks 5-10 I've found deca to be more effective at dosages around 600mgs and I'd stop at week 8 and switch to tren acetate for the next 2 weeks... Also I'd look into ancillaries a little more. If you have clomid or nolva you can use this throughout the cycle to inhibit aromatization or you can go with something like arimadex. Thats just my .02

 

[N4cer]

Spookaroo, my brother, you need some sleep. LOL.
No offense intended, but Clomid/Nolva don't inhibit aromatization at all. They block the estrogen receptors. So the estrogen is still there. They are SERMs.

Letrozole, Anastrozole, and Exemestane are aromatase inhibitors. 2 totally different classes of drugs, with TOTALLY different action.

 

[spookaroo]

Spookaroo, my brother, you need some sleep. LOL.
No offense intended, but Clomid/Nolva don't inhibit aromatization at all. They block the estrogen receptors. So the estrogen is still there. They are SERMs.

Letrozole, Anastrozole, and Exemestane are aromatase inhibitors. 2 totally different classes of drugs, with TOTALLY different action.

Hmmm......... sleepy or not I was using the term loosely. By inhibit I maybe should have said to help prevent gyno... For that matter I've read that anastrozole etc. are estrogen blockers not inhibitors. By "inhibit" i was inferring slowing down or minimizing the effects, this is what clomid does by attaching itself at the receptor and in effect mimic estrogen. Anastrozole on the other hand completely blocks estrogen. But I ain t a doctor, I care more for knowing that if I do A I get B rather then trying to headfuck myself into thinking I know all the phisiology behind it. I'll leave that to the better rested bros.

 

[N4cer]

True. Just a communication failure.

 

[spookaroo]

True. Just a communication failure.

In terminology I stand somewhat corrected: sort of.

Clomiphene (Clomid) and tamoxifen (Nolvadex) are the most popular drugs of this class. They are more precisely referred to as "selective estrogen receptor modulators." This is because their mode of action is not so simple as merely blocking the estrogen receptor. Estrogen receptors require not only
As an aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex's mechanism of action -- blocking conversion of aromatizable steroids to estrogen -- is in contrast to the mechanism of action of anti-estrogens such as clomiphene (Clomid) or tamoxifen (Nolvadex), which block estrogen receptors in some tissues, and activate estrogen receptors in others. During a cycle, if using Arimidex, there is generally no need to use Clomid as well, but (as mentioned in the section on Clomid) there may still be benefits to doing so.

 

[Josh]

ok bros. thanks for all the tips. this is what i think my next cycle will look like.

Weeks 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk
Test Enenthate 500mg/wk

Weeks 1-6
Dbol 50mg/ED

Weeks 6-12
Winstrol 100mg/eod

if i am eating like a madman and training hard, what gains should i expect? i am kind of a hard gainer though so take that into consideration. i have some clomid and nolvadex on hand if needed.

Winny should be taken everyday IMO... and do you realize thats 12 weeks of a 17aa... Grab some ala and milk thistle..
I would be very suprised if your liver values wernt very elevated. The longest i would run a 17aa in a row is 8 weeks 10 weeks would be pushing it.. And you dont need 4 different steroids in your first cycle anyways, whats your second cycle going to look like then?


Try this...
Test enth 500 or 750mg 1-12
Winny 50mg ED 6-14
L-dex .5mg ED 1-14
Nolva Clomid Mix Post cycle

That way you still have somthing active while the test is clearing.. 750mg might be a little much but youll grow for sure.

You dont have to mix a bunch of exotic compounds to grow especially on your first cycle. A good dose of test and some winny to solidify the gains will do the trick

Hope that helps -J

 

[FearMy6Pak]

Stick to the basic first cycle:

Weeks 1-10: 500-750 mgs of TEST CYP or Enanth
Weeks 1-10: 400-600 mgs of EQ per week
Weeks 1-5: 30-40mgs of DBOl every day (optional)
Weeks 1-14: .5mgs of Arimidex ED
Weeks 12-15: 50mgs clomid ED

With a proper diet YOU WILL see results.