dam i got epistane on the way, but probably cant run it due to sides it carries.
Epistane can lessen gyno?
Epistane can lessen gyno?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Primo / Mast as Estrogen Control
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It's Enanthate and I was already on 500mg Test E so that should be saturated already. I think I'm a pretty heavy aromatiser but also not prone to severe E2 symptoms.
Source is Titan, tested and g2g
VenomYo
Banned
I took 120mg epistane in one dosing recently and had to get up to pee 7 times each of the following nights. Either my liver took a shot or my estrogen went rockbottom. I also felt horrible, but i looked dry as fuck, jaw shredded, forearm striations on point and veins on veins on veins showing
Jin23
Well-known Member
Will your lipids be better off with primo/mast, then with a normal dose of an Ai? Primo, specifically, is known to be harsh on the lipids ... If lipids are your only concern, well, ... I'm interested in seeing your blood work comparing primo to an Ai. I'm guessing you'll see a reduction in HDL and an increase in LDL when compared to Ai only. Question is off course, is your primo actually primo and not just test/mast p. 50mg aromasin vs 225 mg primo an interesting battle : )
All androgens impact lipids, here is how they do it:
I've never delved much in to the topic of androgens and lipids, so there may be more mechanism of which I'm not privy ... But this is how I've always thought of it and it's a surprisingly unknown MOA - amongst the steroid users community.
And btw, you have good genetics; having in range lipids on 2700 ng/dl, so congrats on that! However, your E2 is pretty high for 2700 ng/dl with 50mg's of aromasin. Do you normally aromatize so heavily? Because if those 50mg's of aromasin are really 50mg's of aromasin, that means your E2 levels without it - are pretty high; I don't know, I'm guessing, close to 100 (pg/ml)? That's on the high side for 2700 ng/dl TT. Where did you get your aromasin?
SenorSuperdrol
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I love epistane, I’ve ran it a bunch in the PH days before I come over to the “dark side” as they say on the old PH forums’s. I actually have 3 bottles I’m waiting to use some time I picked up last month for funzies, I always get crazy strong in it. I’ve heard it compared to Var, which I haven’t ran yet. As far as losing E, without bloodwork I’d say yes for sure, I’d be interested to see what comes up on paper tho.
Beginning of week 3 with 375 test and 225 primo. Here are the current results:
- estrogen is still not under control without using aromasin, although I'm able to use 25mg a week instead of 50mg a week
- pumps during workout, this is the first time I've had this, neither tren, deca, dbol, nor high test resulted in pumps in the past.
- muscle aches the next day, normally only happens if I took a week or more off training but now it's every day.
- libido is less compared to 500 test
I might need to redo this experiment, my body fat is on the high side (15% going by visual guide) and my goal is more like 8%. Is aromatisation rate directly proportional to BF%?
- estrogen is still not under control without using aromasin, although I'm able to use 25mg a week instead of 50mg a week
- pumps during workout, this is the first time I've had this, neither tren, deca, dbol, nor high test resulted in pumps in the past.
- muscle aches the next day, normally only happens if I took a week or more off training but now it's every day.
- libido is less compared to 500 test
I might need to redo this experiment, my body fat is on the high side (15% going by visual guide) and my goal is more like 8%. Is aromatisation rate directly proportional to BF%?
GuerillaPete
Well-known Member
Only time i did not need extra ai is when i was very lean so it has some sort of correlation for me at least.
Everything works better when lean in my experience !
Athlete127
New Member
RARELY works... I read client blood work for a living.. I hardly ever see primo and mast bring down estro... the best thing you can do is lower test
Jin23
Well-known Member
Oh please do elaborate a bit more on this, very interested! Primo lowers my e2 hard ...
Deskoze38192
Member
Mine too
We must be the exception lol
Standfast
Member
Same here,Primo tanks my e2 if test is not ran high enough
Rido
Subscriber
I am another outlier then. maybe @Athlete127 . Do you think your guys get bunk primo? Even vigorous steve has said this with pharma primo
GuerillaPete
Well-known Member
@Jin23 @Deskoze38192 @Standfast
How lean are you guys? Maybe that plays a part….
Also running dbol or ment might be smart for you guys turning a disadvantage to an advantage .
How lean are you guys? Maybe that plays a part….
Also running dbol or ment might be smart for you guys turning a disadvantage to an advantage .
Jin23
Well-known Member
Never really above 12%, and usually around 10, 8 after a good cut. But I also have normal in range e2 with 2500 ng/dl TT, so I'm not the norm when it comes to arometizing.
GuerillaPete
Well-known Member
As i said before only time i got away with no or very little ai with primo i was under 10% so maybe thats also a factor among genetics and other things.
Im also not gyno sensitive and naturally hairy dude.
Deskoze38192
Member
I have it dialed in now and no longer need to use an AI. It’s quite an advantage imho
Have to run slightly more test then Primo
Not quite a 1/1
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Athlete127
New Member
How much and where is your test ran at?
Athlete127
New Member
I like to think primo is more real these days then a couple years ago
phenominal34
Member
100% false take 250 test and 700 primo … you’re estrogen will def be low period
GuerillaPete
Well-known Member
I meant the disadvantage of aromatizing compound .
You could run more primo and ment/dbol .
But more test is fine also.
