Jin23
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Whatever dose I run it, if I add primo, it lowers my E2 ...
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Whatever dose I run it, if I add primo, it lowers my E2 ...
Standfast
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I lowers my e2 at the same rate weither 10% or 18% body fat
Rido
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My e2 was 39. I threw in e2 pills, hcg 1000 eod. No budge. Stayed 39
effswithtren
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Primo and EQ both lower my E2 as confirmed by bloodwork. I think it’s very individual as to how much this happens, so I can believe that with some it doesn’t happen at all. Personally I need test: primo @ 1:2 and test:EQ @ 2:1 give or take to keep me balanced. Primo is mild for me as an AI but EQ nukes my shit.
Jin23
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You're saying E2 pills had no effect on blood serum e2 levels? That's weird. E2 pills do however have an unfavorable metabolite profile. I'd suggest using transdermal patches or spray. There were also studies done with patches on men, so you can derive a standardized dosage from them. Hcg also gives me acne, but doesn't budge E2 much. Maybe that's E1? Idk ...
GuerillaPete
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Hcg can increase estrogen in the testicles outside of the aromatase pathway but it might not be estradiol(e2)
Also i dont get any acne from it only effect is i feel good from it.
Hormones as i see act diferent from people to people .
Jin23
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Well, I'm acne prone as is, and you might not be? But for sure, we all have a different enzyme profile. You can clearly see that in regards to liver enzymes for which you can get tested. You know, the "extensive", "intermediate" and "poor" metabolizer: CYP2B6, CYP2C19, etc ...
GuerillaPete
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No never had bad acnee just a small pimple or black head hear and there but its rare.
I don't know about the enzymes you are talking about.
Never had a problem with them so i don’t bother researching them.
All i can say is i don’t have a fast metabolism in general .
Jin23
Well-known Member
These enzymes, for example, determine how fast you metabolize drugs that are metabolized in the liver. It's not about having a problem with them, it's about knowing how fast, or slow, you metabolize a certain drug. If you are a slow metabolizer of, let's say, a drug that is metabolized primarily by CYP2B6, that effectively extends the half life of a drug, which means, you need less of it, and vice versa if you are a fast metabolizer. It's an a bit more advanced way of being a drug addict : )
GuerillaPete
Well-known Member
Ok but i would bet on it that people with fast metabolism also have this enzyme that metabolizes drugs fast.
I think they metabolize everything fast.
By the conversation i had with you and your body fat level i would assume you are one of this guys that has this enzyme am i right?
Athlete127
New Member
no shit clown? You shouldnt need an AI on 250 test LMAO. I forgot low test and high primo is the new trend thats producing no real results....
End of week 3 on 225 primo / 375 test:
The estrogen symptoms are much reduced but still slightly there. Much better than last week though. The aromatase-inhibiting metabolites of primo must be reaching their peak concentration now. I've not used any Asin since 12 days ago.
Unusually angry, worse than when I did tren.
One more week and the experiment will be concluded.
I might postpone the 375 test / 300 mast trial in favour of a short blast of tren to get shreddd for the summer though!
The estrogen symptoms are much reduced but still slightly there. Much better than last week though. The aromatase-inhibiting metabolites of primo must be reaching their peak concentration now. I've not used any Asin since 12 days ago.
Unusually angry, worse than when I did tren.
One more week and the experiment will be concluded.
I might postpone the 375 test / 300 mast trial in favour of a short blast of tren to get shreddd for the summer though!
Leansamuel
New Member
I felt best when when I was cruising on 250 test and 100 primo. E2 19 and free test 31 on through.
For estrogen controll always start with a 2:1 ratio test/primo. Then adjust.
Pharmacy test and pharmacy primo :1/1 ratio tanked my E2 the next day to single digits. As much as i remember it was 7. I checked my estrogen 2 days after injection. Crazy.
Masteron test 1:1 ratio libido is there but hard time ejaculating. Almost impossible. Low E2 Symptoms. 2:1 test mast and i feel good.
Actually many guys out there controlling E2 with mast or primo.
When you are worried about your lipids. Ask yourself a question: How much test do i really need when I am on TRT. Do i really need 1500 Ng/dl on through?
99,9% would feel great at a through level of 800-900. Means your peak will be 1200-1300. ( Shbg also plays a role of course)
So if you cruise or TRT at 150 test and 75 mast or primo then you should be good.
Jesus even 120 test and 60 mast or primo would be great. It depends on numbers..i want my free t to be at least 20-25 on through. For that i need 200 test. 100 primo for me and my E2 would stay in range ..
But after all popping an aromasin or arimidex is the same hassle...you just feel better with dht compounds.
My 0,2 cents.
And to the guy who "reads" many blood work and does this for a living and never saw someone tanking his estrogen with primo. Either you can't read blood works or your "clients " had bunk primo. Period
For estrogen controll always start with a 2:1 ratio test/primo. Then adjust.
Pharmacy test and pharmacy primo :1/1 ratio tanked my E2 the next day to single digits. As much as i remember it was 7. I checked my estrogen 2 days after injection. Crazy.
Masteron test 1:1 ratio libido is there but hard time ejaculating. Almost impossible. Low E2 Symptoms. 2:1 test mast and i feel good.
Actually many guys out there controlling E2 with mast or primo.
When you are worried about your lipids. Ask yourself a question: How much test do i really need when I am on TRT. Do i really need 1500 Ng/dl on through?
99,9% would feel great at a through level of 800-900. Means your peak will be 1200-1300. ( Shbg also plays a role of course)
So if you cruise or TRT at 150 test and 75 mast or primo then you should be good.
Jesus even 120 test and 60 mast or primo would be great. It depends on numbers..i want my free t to be at least 20-25 on through. For that i need 200 test. 100 primo for me and my E2 would stay in range ..
But after all popping an aromasin or arimidex is the same hassle...you just feel better with dht compounds.
My 0,2 cents.
And to the guy who "reads" many blood work and does this for a living and never saw someone tanking his estrogen with primo. Either you can't read blood works or your "clients " had bunk primo. Period
Rido
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So I feel like Masteron can help control e2 symptoms nearly systemic, but I dont think it helps control e2 receptors in your dick if that makes sense.
That is why I take a mild AI(12.5mg 2x a week of aromasin). and I can ejaculate pretty regularly and multiple times a day. Jerk off or fuck I always can
Leansamuel
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Yeah when I am on mast i just pop an ai when I fuck...and it's just because I want to have am Orgasm. Otherwise I don't touch an ai. My problem with high E2 is the fucking bloat. So a cosmetic problem. With mast there is no bloat.
But 2:1 ratio test mast and i don't even need an ai. It's just when I go higher with mast
But 2:1 ratio test mast and i don't even need an ai. It's just when I go higher with mast
Athlete127
New Member
Thats a cycle lol
Leansamuel
New Member
If it's a cycle or TRT depends on bloods. Just because its 200 test and another compound doesn't mean shit.
Someone with a high shbg needs more test to get his free t in the upper range
I have a low shbg but with 200 my total at through is 800 and free T is 25-27.
So are those levels a cycle?
And if you add mast or primo is that a cycle? That is repeated bro shit. That's all. Technically adding aromasin to TRT would be a cycle as well since aromasin is a steroid.
Always check bloods and go by bloods. If you feel good your good. That's my philosophy.
And as you read above i even recommend only the outliers need 250 test...better having through levels under 1000.
Someone with a high shbg needs more test to get his free t in the upper range
I have a low shbg but with 200 my total at through is 800 and free T is 25-27.
So are those levels a cycle?
And if you add mast or primo is that a cycle? That is repeated bro shit. That's all. Technically adding aromasin to TRT would be a cycle as well since aromasin is a steroid.
Always check bloods and go by bloods. If you feel good your good. That's my philosophy.
And as you read above i even recommend only the outliers need 250 test...better having through levels under 1000.
Week 2 of 375 test E and 300 mast E:
No itchy nipples problems. Paranoid about hair falling out but it could just be summer shedding. Libido OK but not amazing, nothing seems to help with that. No mood effects, I wish I got mood effects from steroids but they do nothing in that regard.
Seems that out of the two that Mast is the best for masking estrogen symptoms as I was still getting sensitive nipples at the end of the 4 Primo weeks.
WRT blood levels, 500 test had me on 2700 ng/dL trough. So by calculation this 375 gives me 2000 ng/dL trough which is obviously a bit insane for cruising. My ideal TRT test dose could be around 200 mg per week for just over 1000 ng/dL trough but I think at that dose I don't need estro control.
No itchy nipples problems. Paranoid about hair falling out but it could just be summer shedding. Libido OK but not amazing, nothing seems to help with that. No mood effects, I wish I got mood effects from steroids but they do nothing in that regard.
Seems that out of the two that Mast is the best for masking estrogen symptoms as I was still getting sensitive nipples at the end of the 4 Primo weeks.
WRT blood levels, 500 test had me on 2700 ng/dL trough. So by calculation this 375 gives me 2000 ng/dL trough which is obviously a bit insane for cruising. My ideal TRT test dose could be around 200 mg per week for just over 1000 ng/dL trough but I think at that dose I don't need estro control.
Athlete127
New Member
LOL. I wont even pick this apart today. post some physique pics for us though!
It's common to gain water weight in the form of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy when taking test. For some, it even happens on trt dosages. Do not mistake this for estrogen bloat. Get your damn blood work done and stop guessing.
Lol, who cares about PIP? Don't be so fragile. Unless you've injected GHK-cu directly into a joint, you have no idea what PIP is. Any AAS you inject is nothing compared to many of the injections out there.
