Primobolan and managing estrogen

[GeezerPeformance]

50 yr. old insulin dependent diabetic doing TRT at 90mg/week and 500IU hcg. I recently finished a cycle of primo at 1:1 for two months and saw some minor gains with no real side effects. Going in for bloodwork in eight weeks. Assuming everything looks good I would like to run the primo at 300mg/week and keep the test at 90mg/week. Am I going to crash my estrogen not raising the test? Can I manage this by increasing hcg? I don't want to raise the test since 90-100mg/week has me around 1700 total T with no side effects.

 

[BigTomJ]

You would need to try it and get bloodwork to see for yourself.
No one can say for certain one way or another.

the supposed anti estrogenic effects of Primo are not consistent or even exist at all person to person.

 

[nightprowler7]

50 yr. old insulin dependent diabetic doing TRT at 90mg/week and 500IU hcg. I recently finished a cycle of primo at 1:1 for two months and saw some minor gains with no real side effects. Going in for bloodwork in eight weeks. Assuming everything looks good I would like to run the primo at 300mg/week and keep the test at 90mg/week. Am I going to crash my estrogen not raising the test? Can I manage this by increasing hcg? I don't want to raise the test since 90-100mg/week has me around 1700 total T with no side effects.

I don't think hcg would be enough to keep your estrogen high enough, not at 90/300. Your joints should be important at your age (no offense intended here), and low e2 will wreck your joints at 50yo.

If you really want to use primo instead of something else (like low dose deca + your trt) I'd just do a cycle of 600 test and 300 primo. Just don't cruise on primo

 

[nightprowler7]

Just curious, why do you need HCG at 50yo? Are you still trying to have kids?

 

[PaintDrinker]

Just curious, why do you need HCG at 50yo? Are you still trying to have kids?

Maybe he just wants huge balls dude who knows

 

[GeezerPeformance]

Just curious, why do you need HCG at 50yo? Are you still trying to have kids?

My balls were about to disappear and loads were tiny. It has helped tremendously with both.

 

[GeezerPeformance]

I don't think hcg would be enough to keep your estrogen high enough, not at 90/300. Your joints should be important at your age (no offense intended here), and low e2 will wreck your joints at 50yo.

If you really want to use primo instead of something else (like low dose deca + your trt) I'd just do a cycle of 600 test and 300 primo. Just don't cruise on primo

LOL. No offense taken. I am hesitant to up the Test because I had some anxiety at 120mg/week. Went down to 90mg and it went away.

 

[readalot]

500IU hcg

Per ....?

 

[GeezerPeformance]

Per ....?

Per week 2 x 250iu

 

[buck]

Just curious, why do you need HCG at 50yo? Are you still trying to have kids?

HCG/LH can affect many process in the body besides fertility if you do a search. I find most every hormones has multiple functions.

 

[readalot]

My balls were about to disappear and loads were tiny. It has helped tremendously with both.

Glad it was effective and kudos on the use of reasonable minimum effective dosing.

 

[nightprowler7]

LOL. No offense taken. I am hesitant to up the Test because I had some anxiety at 120mg/week. Went down to 90mg and it went away.

That may be related to high estrogen or blood pressure, and not the 120mg wk testosterone

 

[Greenbay68]

In my humble opinion, you should ditch the HCG and dial in your test dose only.

You’ll likely find that you can be happier with less side effects on more testosterone without that HCG.

HCG is typically for people trying to get pregnant, or secondly who want their balls to stay big.

My shot in the dark guess is that HCG is causing you more problems than the test is.

If you’re looking to take primo, it will definitely crash estrogen at that test dose. 1:1 ratio with test is a good place to start for most.

You can try 300mg, but get bloods to confirm, and in the meantime pay attention to joint aches, erections and libido. Those are surest signs of wrong e2 levels.

Remember ultimately- estrogen is good, especially at our age. It’s cardio protective

 

[GeezerPeformance]

That may be related to high estrogen or blood pressure, and not the 120mg wk testosterone

BP is good. I check several times a day. I haven't had any E2 symptoms except when I took my first dose and when I have increased my dose by a significant amount. Mainly sensitive nipples which went away with one dose of .25mg anastrozole.

 

[GeezerPeformance]

In my humble opinion, you should ditch the HCG and dial in your test dose only.

You’ll likely find that you can be happier with less side effects on more testosterone without that HCG.

HCG is typically for people trying to get pregnant, or secondly who want their balls to stay big.

My shot in the dark guess is that HCG is causing you more problems than the test is.

If you’re looking to take primo, it will definitely crash estrogen at that test dose. 1:1 ratio with test is a good place to start for most.

You can try 300mg, but get bloods to confirm, and in the meantime pay attention to joint aches, erections and libido. Those are surest signs of wrong e2 levels.

Remember ultimately- estrogen is good, especially at our age. It’s cardio protective

The anxiety occurred before the HCG. After reading everyone's thoughts, I think I will go with 300mg Test/150mg Primo and see what my bloodwork looks like. I will drop the HCG while running that.

 

[Greenbay68]

The anxiety occurred before the HCG. After reading everyone's thoughts, I think I will go with 300mg Test/150mg Primo and see what my bloodwork looks like. I will drop the HCG while running that.

I like that idea. HCG is just a wild card. There’s not a reason to use it at your age unless you have a beautiful 24 year old wife you’re trying to impregnate.

Test is very predictable and linear, and primo you should feel “no side effects”.

Keep this thread up to date with how it goes!

 

[Meatgazer]

I also swapped to primo from anastrazole a few weeks ago. I initially ran it 1:1 and crashed my e2 hard. I used hcg to bring it back up. I adjusted the dose to 250 test e and 100 primo every three days. That seems to be a good ratio but some of the videos I’ve watched have said anything less than 300 primo is a waste.

 

[focal]

I also swapped to primo from anastrazole a few weeks ago. I initially ran it 1:1 and crashed my e2 hard. I used hcg to bring it back up. I adjusted the dose to 250 test e and 100 primo every three days. That seems to be a good ratio but some of the videos I’ve watched have said anything less than 300 primo is a waste.

So do you think that low of a dose is a waste? Are you seeing good results? I only ask because I am looking to do that same dosage along with 20ml anavar on work out days. 4-5 days a week and have been taking anastrozole but thinking of dropping it in favor of primo.

 

[Meatgazer]

So do you think that low of a dose is a waste? Are you seeing good results? I only ask because I am looking to do that same dosage along with 20ml anavar on work out days. 4-5 days a week and have been taking anastrozole but thinking of dropping it in favor of primo.

I’m seeing good results and it feels like it’s almost there. Definitely drier and more vascular but still feels like i’m on the low side of e2. Going up to 300 primo would probably require me to bump test to like 750. Also the lumps I’m getting now from primo is no joke and it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be absorbing anytime soon. So boosting the dose is going to give me bbl

 

[focal]

I have heard Primo can be painful at the injection point for days after. what is the oil your Primo is in? Primo must be a thick compound.