Provirin question

[bigginz]

I put an order in for more nolva to have on hand and my man told me he doesn't have / use it anymore.

He said he now uses Provirin and that I should use it as an anti E and for PCT.

Basically he said to substitute it for nolva in all uses.


Is this true ? Can someone shed some light on this ?


thanks.

 

[scrappy]

I put an order in for more nolva to have on hand and my man told me he doesn't have / use it anymore.
He said he now uses Provirin and that I should use it as an anti E and for PCT.
Basically he said to substitute it for nolva in all uses.
Is this true ? Can someone shed some light on this ?
thanks.

Not 100% sure on this as I've heard a lot of different stories but Proviron tends to be used on cycle for a 'hardening' affect and libido enhancement.
I would think it would not be good for PCT as it will probably cause some inhibition and I do not think it works as well as nolv or arim as an anti estro.
Some say it has absolutely no anti estro ability.
Bottom line, nolva is tried and true as an anti and I would try to get it.

 

[black0ut]

Well I think Proviron shuts down the estrogen receptors, but Nolvadex combats the conversion into estrogen and keeps it at a safer level

 

[chris gordon]

nolva binds to the estrogen receptor, but usuallydoesnt have estrogen effects....proviron is good for hardening and for libido , but i would not use it for my only anti e, and definitely not try to use it for PCT...plenty of guys have nolvadex and clomid for PCT , just check the classifieds

 

[einstein1905]

Proviron is not to be used during pct, as roughly 40% od people are inhibited by even low doses. Also using just an AI for preventing gyno means that you're suppressing estrogen too much. You can use low dose proviron AND nolva, but just using proviron alone isn't a good option IMO, Nolva blocks estrogenic activity at the breat....it's ideal

 

[MaxRep]

Well I think Proviron shuts down the estrogen receptors, but Nolvadex combats the conversion into estrogen and keeps it at a safer level

I see I logged in just in time for comedy hour

All proviron is, is 1-methylated DHT, so of course it can't be used for pct.

Proviron binds to the aromatase enzyme preventing the formation of estrogen.

Nolvadex binds to the estrogen receptor, blocking circulating estrogen from binding and exerting its effects.

Proviron is not as effective as letrozole and arimidex as an aromatase inhibitor so I would use them for that purpose, not proviron.

I previously spelled out all 4 uses of proviron so a search may be beneficial.

MaxRep

 

[black0ut]

Yeah, i messed up on that one lol.... sorry. Fcuk you for sayin it's comedy hour though heh

 

[MaxRep]

Yeah, i messed up on that one lol.... sorry. Fcuk you for sayin it's comedy hour though heh

No problem... when I was a newbie and didn't know anything I'm sure I too said a lot of stupid things.

MaxRep

 

[bigginz]

Thanks again for the info.

I already have some nolva and was looking for more when I was told that. I will definetly get more nolva.

Max,

When would one use proviron ?
Since I have access to priviron maybe I can use it for something. I heard that it was difficult to obtain.

Anyway my problem was spelling I was searching for provirin, which didn't show much info. Now a search for priviron shows alot of info. Time to read.

 

[Joker]

I see I logged in just in time for comedy hour

All proviron is, is 1-methylated DHT, so of course it can't be used for pct.

Proviron binds to the aromatase enzyme preventing the formation of estrogen.

Nolvadex binds to the estrogen receptor, blocking circulating estrogen from binding and exerting its effects.

Proviron is not as effective as letrozole and arimidex as an aromatase inhibitor so I would use them for that purpose, not proviron.

I previously spelled out all 4 uses of proviron so a search may be beneficial.

MaxRep

I think this is the post MR is referring to:

You should never use proviron (mesterolone) for pct. Proviron is a 1-methylated form of DHT, which is quite suppressive.

Because it has a high affinity for the aromatase enzyme, it helps to reduce the conversion of test to estrogen. This reduction in estrogen also means fewer gyno and water retention problems, resulting in a harder look when using Test or Dbol. To get this effect, you need about 100mg's+/day. Personally, I saw no benefit at 50mg's/day, although others might.

True aromatase inhibitors such as arimidex or letrozole do the same job much better than proviron. Because it's superficial effects are similar to something like nolvadex or clomid, it's possible some people have thought it could be used like them for pct. As DHT, it can fill the role of a replacement for Test and using it for pct and the resulting increases in libido may give some people the incorrect impression that their own natural Test had kicked back in. That's a big mistake.

Without going into all the details, some information suggests mesterolone increases the potentcy of exogenously adminstered Test. By binding to the SHBG and albumin, it leaves more Test to circulate unbound. This would not apply to natural test as the test levels are too low to make a difference. Don't take proviron by itself, there's zero benefit in that case and it will suppress your natural test levels.

So the decrease in estrogen, resulting harder look, increased potentcy of Test and increased libido are the reasons for using proviron. In the real world, all of these effects are subtle. If you have the extra money, it doesn't hurt to include it in your cycle. If you don't have the extra money, don't worry about it, you're not missing much.

MaxRep

 

[bigginz]

Thanks Joker, that answered all my questions.

Thanks max, for the informative post.

 

[Joker]

Personally, I like proviron. I'm currently doing a cycle of Supertest, primobolan, masteron, and tren E with anavar and proviron. Yep, not must estrogen here. But I feel better than I ever have before, look better than I ever have before, and have far less sides than usual. The proviron seemed to put the finishing touches on me. My abs are veined out like you can't believe. Even my rhomboids and lower lats have big veins running through them and they're pretty thick. When I'm out in the sun, my whole body is hosed out from head to toe--it looks pretty freaky. But I will say that if you think you're going to eat pizza twice a week or Ding-Dongs and Ho-Ho's all week-end long and take proviron to cover it up, save your money.

Joker

 

[MaxRep]

Thanks for posting that Joker and good info on your situation.

MaxRep

 

[Diablo570]

But I feel better than I ever have before, look better than I ever have before, and have far less sides than usual. The proviron seemed to put the finishing touches on me. My abs are veined out like you can't believe. Even my rhomboids and lower lats have big veins running through them and they're pretty thick. When I'm out in the sun, my whole body is hosed out from head to toe--it looks pretty freaky.

Joker

Care to post a pic?