Proviron With Tren (the Benefits)

[weighted chinup]

If Proviron was such a bullshit compound then why do a lot of bbers use it during their contest prep. It's not a bs compound it has its place like every other aas out there that bbers use.

This is not a very strong argument in its favor. You are using the anecdotal experiences of random bodybuilders to justify somethings effectiveness when there is scientific evidence indicating its lack of usefulness. I would rather take the scientific evidence over some anecdotal experiences of random bodybuilders when it comes to pharmacology.

Bodybuilders and the fitness industry in general spread a lot of bro science and ass backwards training, nutrition, and drug advice and the reason it never gets stopped in its tracks is because people use these individuals and their physiques in an attempt to prove something works. Evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/proviron-mesterolone-steroid-cycles-pct/

In the meantime read this overview Proviron. It described as, "...no use for anabolic or recovery purposes. It does not aid in building muscle and does not aid in recovering LH production or testosterone production."

And..,"..it doesn’t aid in building muscle. It’s the only compound I know of which activates the androgen receptor yet is valueless in this regard.

 

[ebkallday]

Tren A and Pussy makes for a STRONG synergistic stack. I do know this from experience. Sometimes human trials are the best way for effective research.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

lol ^^

 

[biggerben69]

What does it do? Explain it to me. And dont tell me about who does it, that means nothing. People jump off bridges - doesn't mean it's good for you. Think for yourself and explain to me what it does for YOU and stop parroting what you hear. Have you even tried it? I have. It does nothing except boost libido. No synergy, no aromatase inhibitor protection, nothing.

I used to say it was useless and had no benefit. VAlk does sound silly along with his copy and paste routine.
I don't find these types of articles especially interesting. I remember back in the early to mid 90's I think it was MD and Bill Roberts publishing that glossy seductress I looked forward to every month having these types of studies in article after article throughout the magazine. I loved that magazine.
I don't consider 400mg of proviron an insane dose or whatever word valk used to describe it. I remember bringing lots of proviron and stenox(halo) back over the border in the 90's. Those were the 2 orals that were plentiful in Garcias Farmacia back then. The vet gear was where winny finally was able to be had in a dose(10mg) more than 2.5mg and QV had the rest of the best, too.
The test valk was quoting wasn't anything revealing, IMO. Testosterone when depressed(low t) is responsible for depression and administering it relieves it.
Amitriptyline has many off label uses. They hand those green caps out at PILL lINE in Federal Prisons for seemingly anything and everything that ails guys?
I was always under the impression that Proviron isn't an anti E but that it competes for the receptors that estrogen does?
It was also explained to me by a guy that at least LOOKS like he knows what he's talking about like this; It helps free up more testosterone for us and the receptors to use....or it allows the body/receptors to use more of the free testosterone already in the blood?
Being that it's something that isn't toxic and is considered mild enough to run year round I've decided to run it from here on out. I made that decision last year sometime.
And Masteron(Drost) is certainly a big deal when paired up with tren and then those 2 infused with some test to make what is arguably the most popular triple threat being used today by guys like us.
I will say that I believe that drost, the prop ester, is more effective than the enanthate ester of mast. The different ester just makes almost a completely different animal. Just like Tren HEX being the beast and tren E being the genetically inferior little brother...Tren Hex at 300mg/ew is seeing better results than 600mg of the enanthate tren.

 

[beast_mode89]

Beat me to it. I'm about to start my first proviron cycle with test anavar and tren e.

This is what my coach told me. Take it for what it's worth.... Maybe not a lot if anything.

My understanding of Proviron is its ability to "boost" effectiveness of other androgen based steroids. In theory it makes 500mgs of test work like 750mgs of test. Again I'm just regurgitating what my coach told me. How does it do this you say.... Well proviron binds to SHBG leaving more free test floating around. More free test more gains and stronger sex drive right?


Again, I have no experience yet but proviron on its own is worthless but stacked it amplifies a stack very well.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Listen, this compound does have its use for some users, that's the absolute truth..

We all know that its a DHT derivative. DHT compounds assist with hardening of the physique, lack of water retention,increased sex drive..Hardening of the physique and lack of water retention go hand in hand. Proviron assists with this, The body recognizes proviron as a DHT,This causes a direct hardening affect on the muscle tissue (Like mast posses,but mast is much more stronger IMO) The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, because proviron has the ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes,It competes so to speak for its position,it does this aggressively, thus decreasing water retention. Also the the lack of aromatization and the fact that the drug is prototypical androgen, causes a significant shift in the body’s estrogen/testosterone ratio.As proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. It also has properties with AR's.. Increasing the AR expression, proviron/DHT uptake to further increase AR expression, repeating this process over and over ...This allows other AAS compounds to appear to be amplified with there effects.

We can debate all day with this, lets agree that it does play a roll in someones protocol, maybe not yours or his, but it can be used with great success. It can be a master key so to speak, having multiple functions.

I hope the information post finds some users well..

 

[weighted chinup]

Beat me to it. I'm about to start my first proviron cycle with test anavar and tren e.

This is what my coach told me. Take it for what it's worth.... Maybe not a lot if anything.

My understanding of Proviron is its ability to "boost" effectiveness of other androgen based steroids. In theory it makes 500mgs of test work like 750mgs of test. Again I'm just regurgitating what my coach told me. How does it do this you say.... Well proviron binds to SHBG leaving more free test floating around. More free test more gains and stronger sex drive right?


Again, I have no experience yet but proviron on its own is worthless but stacked it amplifies a stack very well.

I've read this about proviron too before, sounds good in theory, not sure how effective it would be in practice, its fairly mild so it might be worth experimenting with. Thanks for explaining it out.

 

[beast_mode89]

lets agree that it does play a roll in someones protocol, maybe not yours or his, but it can be used with great success.

That's all I was tring to state in my first post. It's just incorrect to state that something is worthless just because it didn't work for you. It's like saying you don't like blowjobs and they are worthless but that doesn't mean that everyone else won't sit back and enjoy a sloppy bj....

 

[★Valkyrie★]

I've read this about proviron too before, sounds good in theory, not sure how effective it would be in practice, its fairly mild so it might be worth experimenting with. Thanks for explaining it out.

yes many things sound good in theory.. Its one of those things someone has to experiment with..

Some people are merely non-responders, and this isn't the only oral we've seen this with.. Drol for an example

 

[★Valkyrie★]

That's all I was tring to state in my first post. It's just incorrect to state that something is worthless just because it didn't work for you. It's like saying you don't like blowjobs and they are worthless but that doesn't mean that everyone else won't sit back and enjoy a sloppy bj....

couldn't have said it any better! haha f'n great

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Listen, this compound does have its use for some users, that's the absolute truth..

We all know that its a DHT derivative. DHT compounds assist with hardening of the physique, lack of water retention,increased sex drive..Hardening of the physique and lack of water retention go hand in hand. Proviron assists with this, The body recognizes proviron as a DHT,This causes a direct hardening affect on the muscle tissue (Like mast posses,but mast is much more stronger IMO) The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, because proviron has the ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes,It competes so to speak for its position,it does this aggressively, thus decreasing water retention. Also the the lack of aromatization and the fact that the drug is prototypical androgen, causes a significant shift in the body’s estrogen/testosterone ratio.As proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. It also has properties with AR's.. Increasing the AR expression, proviron/DHT uptake to further increase AR expression, repeating this process over and over ...This allows other AAS compounds to appear to be amplified with there effects.

We can debate all day with this, lets agree that it does play a roll in someones protocol, maybe not yours or his, but it can be used with great success. It can be a master key so to speak, having multiple functions.

I hope the information post finds some users well..

Do you have any of your OWN thoughts? Or are just continue to parrot and copy and paste other peoples ideas and experiences and pass them off as your own? Below is almost word for word of Valkries post. He's manipulated it into his own post. What a joke.

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...should-you-use-it

That's all I was tring to state in my first post. It's just incorrect to state that something is worthless just because it didn't work for you. It's like saying you don't like blowjobs and they are worthless but that doesn't mean that everyone else won't sit back and enjoy a sloppy bj....

Youre wrong there. I shared that with you only to demonstrate i HAVE experience with it, unlike you. And every respected AAS user who has been around the block knows that Proviron is a useless and "ineffective" drug for any muscle building properties. I find it interesting that you and Valkyrie are the only two who seem to be conveniently ignoring the FACT that Bill Roberts and many others who have no stake in Provirons sale or existence, have denounced it's use beyond a libido boost. There is not one shred of evidence to support otherwise, other than your mindless placebo influenced bb'rs who have been brain washed by parroted uninformed information. Or some source who enjoys the freedom and luxury of copy and paste and looking to push product, you know...like Valkryie. And dont even try to compare Provi and mast..they're not even in the same league.

couldn't have said it any better! haha f'n great

You couldn't say it better because he posted it in public. But you'd take credit for it in New York second if you could get away with it.

 

[beast_mode89]

Ok

 

[infraredline]

I should add proviron is useful in increasing levels of healthy sperm. Useful for those of us who still want to have kids one day.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

I merely delivered a message its not parroting, its posting information that I have researched and looked into and found great, outstanding ways to put to, and thats wrong to pass it on? when your given a lesson in school, are you parroting what you learn or read when you apply it to life? I have many many many reads saves in my archives that can be backed. Am I a threat to you? It surely seems that way., Open you narrow way of thinking, and let some light in.

Where did you get your education in this lifestyle that you dont parrot?

 

[beast_mode89]

NN, I understand your point and it's some what valid. Now there is a place for proviron. You may not agree and that's understandable. I will report back after my cycle with proviron and maybe I'll have a different opinion about it.

Any other proviron users out there that can chime in on there experience?

 

[beast_mode89]

Also doesn't proviron help in oxidizing fat for ease of fat burning? There one good use of this is true.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

NN you ride the Bill Roberts like he invented the lifestyle.. I admire his work, and I concur with almost most of his readings, but he is not correct in all of his findings, he is merely expressing HIS point of views, he is not the Nino.. Whenever you disagree with something, you "parrot" and use the Bill Roberts name to support you argument, do you have anything of your own?

You see how silly this sounds? that how you come off

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Also doesn't proviron help in oxidizing fat for ease of fat burning? There one good use of this is true.

I haven't heard of this, but if you have any information on this, I would like to know for sure, something else to add to my archives

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Youre no threat to me because i think on my own and dont steal other peoples thoughts and comments and then try to pass them off as my own. That's the difference between you and i. Guys like you are a dime a dozen on the internet. Youre a copy and paste professional who has zero experience and uses other peoples ideas to support your empty and often unsupported claims. You have very little real world experience and your attempts at convincing others that you're some sort of steroid guru is so transparent to me that its almost frightening.

My education comes from my OWN experience, empirical data, medical data, and information from other real world men who also have experience and share their work based on documented use and errors made along the long journey that AAS often takes us on. Your experience and contributions can be summed up as passing off other peoples work as your own.

Im done here as i feel i have made my point. And to argue it any further is a waste of my time that could be used to help others here that need it.

Good luck with your Proviron "cycle".