Photon
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No amount of packaging will save you if the deliveryman wants to steal it.
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No amount of packaging will save you if the deliveryman wants to steal it.
Listen... I'm willing to accept that.. And I've already spoke to them , and we're coming to an agreement.. but no I did not know that FedEx was known for stealing anything in transit, along with any other shipping company, I don't know where the hell you guys live but that shit doesn't happen around here. I've been in this shit pushing two decades, And I've never had a package that showed up like this.. so apparently I'm just the luckiest person on the face of the planet.. I've never had any package broken into and had anything stolen, not from Amazon, not from eBay, not from FedEx, not from UPS,or USPS, not from Canada, not from China, not even from the dark web.. not a single package..now all the sudden ..all I'm hearing is this is just common shit that happens all the time... People don't even steal stuff off other people's porches where where I live, you don't even have to lock your car or your front door where I live.. It is what it is I guess I'm not saying anything else about it..I've never heard of such shit or seen it before, And it's fairly fucking annoying.. I don't even want to talk about it anymore.. what I do find suspicious is the fact that wherever you guys live or whoever you are dealing with that this shit happens to you so often , that you just find it normal, that's what I find quite odd, you either live in the most crime-ridded areas in the country, or you're dealing with some shady ass people, seems like a really odd excuse that just seems completely normal. I'm just going to be damn careful who I fuck with from this point on because this is not common! I don't care what kind of BS you try to blow up my ass.
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If this was the "norm". I think it would have happened to me more than one time, I was born the '70s for Christ sakes, at this point I think I would be more ready to believe the Earth was flat, than the FedEx Boogeyman, that's running around opening everybody's packages, And if this s*** happens to you guys all the time, I would say you definitely have something else going on there. Somebody obviously knows what is in that package, The fed ex guy is not just randomly selecting packages on the truck and raiding them, like the Grinch on Christmas Eve. If this is normal to you guys, I would be f****** worried.
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IndividualMan
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idk what to tell you, over on my side of the pond we don't experience it that much, but in the US of A and Canada Mail Theft seems to be rampant (definitely wayyyyy below 0.001% of packs, but still enough for people to notice), especially during the last decade. Often times it happens in distribution centers, most of the time it's electronics or cash or other easy to sell goods, but they seem to have figured out that if they target peoples illegal shit they are wayy less likely to file a theft report, and depending on the goods they are equally valuable/easy to sell. So if you bought premade Oils, tabs, or other stuff, anything but raws really, it will be really easy for a mailman who knows his stuff/recognizes it for what it is to nab it with his greasy little sausage fingers.
I feel for you man, but this isn't the 70s anymore, shipping operations have expanded, Personell churn is at an all time high, there is little to no vetting employees etc. shits just way less civilized.
The days of a high trust society are over, especially for you guys over there.
You are very lucky that this is the first time this happened to you, and I hope you are lucky enough that this is also the last time this happens to you.
CharlesV
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having shit stolen off your porch is a huge problem, heck the term “porch pirate” was coined in the 2010’s because it became so rampant.
for it never happen to you in one thing, but you never heard of it happening? just google “fedex stolen nikes” or “fedex stole iphone”. fedex really is the worse when it comes to reputation.
it’s good to hear that PPL is coming to an agreement with you. getting robbed sucks…that’s not for debate.
for it never happen to you in one thing, but you never heard of it happening? just google “fedex stolen nikes” or “fedex stole iphone”. fedex really is the worse when it comes to reputation.
it’s good to hear that PPL is coming to an agreement with you. getting robbed sucks…that’s not for debate.
I thought that was a federal job, meaning you can't even have the slightest criminal history? You can't even go and hit your neighbor's mailbox, without being charged with a felony because it has to do with the mail service and is a federal crime.. I didn't even know you could get a job there If you so much as had had a simple misdemeanor? Around here you ain't getting a job like that, If you so much as screamed at the neighbor and got a simple harassment charge. Not for the UPS not for the post office not for any federal job If you ever been arrested for anything you're burnt working for the government
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Yeah I did just Google what you were talking about. S*** is pretty crazy, I guess they're implementing some kind of AI thing into the FedEx truck cameras very soon,So that it can track the vehicles that are following the FedEx trucks and everything else... It's going to be part of the same system that the police use, I guess the FedEx trucks are already wired up with the cameras they just need to integrate the AI into it which they're working on now
Is panda still around selling raws haven’t been on here in a long time
Here are the GCMS results for the EQ.
question from someone who is ignorant about RAW, how can you tell if it's a good result?
I'm in the same boat as you. Hoping someone can answer that.
The way I read it the "Androsta-1,4-dien-3-one, 17-[(1-oxo-10-undecenyl)oxy]-, (17.beta.)-" entries are your boldenone undecylenate which shows ~92%.
IndividualMan
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92% is pretty good for Bold U, its usually around that purity, some solvents are leftover, some ester without active Pharmaceutical is left over, overall this is an okayish to good raw. I would consider a recrystallisation, to really get the quality to where you want it to be (95-98%).
For more info about recrystallisation/purification of raws, look at a few of @TheScholarOfBrew s threads, really useful stuff.
I like it a lot, I've been taking it for like a month and it has veins popping out everywhere, not to mention my appetite has went to the roof with a average dose of tren. It seems to completely negate the effects that tren has on your appetite, and it somehow counteracts that out of breath feeling tren gives you working out, It's like it takes all the bad side effects away from tren and gives me nothing but the good ones.
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eery
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This cant be right.. I put it through chatgpt and deepseek and got this:
deepseek:
here is the chatgpt:
Here is a detailed and layered breakdown of the GC-MS data from your file “Raw data for Test Report #62908-1.pdf”, especially focusing on:
Conclusion: No standard boldenone compound is present. But a similar synthetic steroid based on the 1,4-dien scaffold is dominant—possibly intended as a boldenone mimic.
I think we need someone like @janoshik to look at this.
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now chatgpt tells me this, lol:
The compound Androsta-1,4-dien-3-one, 17-[(1-oxo-10-undecenyl)oxy]-, (17β)- is a chemical name for Boldenone Undecylenate, a synthetic anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) commonly used in veterinary medicine.chemspider.com+3Wikipedia+3chemsrc.com+3
i dont think we can trust these AIs.
deepseek:
Code:
### **Comprehensive GC-MS Analysis Report**
**Sample ID:** 6139-2 AAS RAW GCMS
**Date:** 02.05.2025
---
#### **1. Confirmed Compounds & CAS Numbers**
| Peak# | R.Time (min) | Compound Name (NIST/MS Library Match) | CAS Number | Area% | Notes |
|-------|--------------|----------------------------------------|------------|-------|-------|
| **8** | 18.949 | **Androsta-1,4-dien-3-one, 17-[(1-oxo-10-undecenyl)oxy]-, (17β)-** | **7287-84-5** (Trestolone Undecylenate) | 91.77% | Dominant peak; synthetic androgen ester. |
| **1** | 5.543 | 10-Undecanoic acid, methyl ester | **1731-86-8** | 4.16% | Esterification byproduct. |
| **3** | 6.179 | 10-Undecanoic acid, ethyl ester | **627-90-7** | 0.74% | Side product of synthesis. |
| **6** | 17.387 | Cholest-5-en-3-ol (3β)-, carbonochloridate | **N/A** (Uncommon derivative) | 0.61% | Sterol artifact or degradation. |
| **7** | 18.758 | **Testosterone Cypionate** (Misassigned?) | **58-20-8** | 0.44% | Contaminant or misidentification (unlikely at this RT). |
| **4** | 16.889 | Methanol adduct (solvent artifact) | **67-56-1** | 0.37% | Residual solvent. |
| **5** | 17.123 | "Anethionite acid" (Likely **Azelaic acid** derivative) | **123-99-9** (Azelaic acid) | 0.58% | Probable misassignment. |
**Key Findings:**
- **Primary Compound**: Trestolone Undecylenate (91.77% purity), a synthetic steroid ester.
- **Impurities**: Undecanoic acid esters (4.9% total), sterol derivatives, and potential solvent residues.
- **Not Detected**: **No Boldenone** (expected RT ~12–14 min) or other common AAS contaminants.
---
#### **2. Data Validation Against Databases**
- **PubChem/DrugBank**:
- **Trestolone Undecylenate (7287-84-5)**: Confirmed as a synthetic androgen ester.
- **Testosterone Cypionate (58-20-8)**: Mismatch in RT; likely misassigned (should elute earlier).
- **Undecanoic acid esters**: Confirmed as common synthesis byproducts.
- **NIST Mass Spectral Library**:
- Peak #8 matches Trestolone Undecylenate (base peak m/z 122, characteristic fragments at m/z 269, 281).
- Peak #7 does not align with Testosterone Cypionate’s expected spectrum (suggesting mislabeling).
---
#### **3. Potential Errors or Issues**
**A. Sample Preparation/Synthesis Flaws:**
- **Incomplete Esterification**: High % of undecanoic acid esters (Peaks #1, #3) suggests residual reactants.
- **Contamination**:
- **Testosterone Cypionate** (Peak #7) is anomalous; may indicate cross-contamination or column carryover.
- **Cholestadienol derivative** (Peak #6) implies steroidal impurities.
**B. Instrument/Data Analysis Issues:**
- **Misassignments**:
- "Anethionite acid" (Peak #5) is likely **Azelaic acid** or a fragment (no CAS match).
- **Testosterone Cypionate** assignment is suspect (wrong RT/fragmentation pattern).
- **Tuning**: High-concentration tune may skew sensitivity for trace impurities.
**C. Reporting Discrepancies:**
- **Area% Calculation**: Peak #8’s area (16,246,24) is likely a typo (should be 16,246,244, aligning with 91.77%).
- **Missing Spectra**: Page 4 shows m/z fragments but lacks labeled peaks for verification.
---
#### **4. Expert Recommendations**
1. **Confirm Identity**:
- Run **NMR or HRMS** on Peak #8 to validate Trestolone Undecylenate.
- Reanalyze Peak #7 with a **Testosterone Cypionate reference standard**.
2. **Purification Needed**:
- **Column chromatography** to remove undecanoic acid esters and sterol impurities.
3. **Method Optimization**:
- Adjust GC gradient to better separate steroidal byproducts (e.g., cholestadienol vs. target compound).
4. **Contamination Check**:
- Blank runs to rule out column/syringe carryover.
---
### **Simplified Summary**
- **What’s in the Sample?**
- Mostly **Trestolone Undecylenate** (a steroid), with small amounts of synthesis leftovers (esters) and possible contaminants.
- **Was There a Mistake?**
- Yes: Mislabeled peaks (e.g., "Testosterone Cypionate"), incomplete reaction, or contamination.
- **Next Steps**:
- Purify the main compound and re-run GC-MS with standards for accuracy.
For **full spectra interpretation** or **synthesis troubleshooting**, provide reference files or additional runs.here is the chatgpt:
Here is a detailed and layered breakdown of the GC-MS data from your file “Raw data for Test Report #62908-1.pdf”, especially focusing on:
- Confirmation of compound identities (using CAS registry numbers)
- Assessment of whether Boldenone or related analogues are present
- Expert-level analysis of GC-MS quality, errors, or concerns
- Layered explanations for different knowledge levels
1. Expert-Level Confirmation: CAS Matching & Compound IDs
Peak Table Overview (TIC Summary)
| Peak# | RT (min) | Area % | Name |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 5.543 | 4.16 | 10-Undecenoic acid, methyl ester (CAS: 111-81-9) |
| 2 | 5.889 | 0.69 | Undecylenic acid (CAS: 112-38-9) |
| 3 | 6.179 | 0.74 | 10-Undecenoic acid, ethyl ester (CAS: 692-86-4) |
| 4 | 16.889 | 0.37 | Methanol, [6,8,9-trimethyl-4-(1-propenyl)... (likely terpenoid; full name too truncated to confirm exact CAS) |
| 5 | 17.123 | 0.58 | Arachidonic acid (CAS: 506-32-1) |
| 6 | 17.387 | 0.61 | Cholest-5-en-3-ol, carbonochloridate (deriv.) (likely cholesteryl ester, derivative of CAS: 57-88-5) |
| 7 | 18.758 | 0.44 | Testosterone cypionate (CAS: 58-20-8) |
| 8 | 18.949 | 91.77 | Androsta-1,4-dien-3-one, 17-[(1-oxo-10-undecenyl)oxy]-, (17β) |
| 9 | 19.043 | 0.64 | Same as above, (likely 17α isomer) |
Chemical Identity Clarification:
Testosterone Cypionate (Peak #7)
- CAS#: 58-20-8
- Confirmed by retention time, fragmentation pattern, and dominant m/z ion peaks (~124, 147, 161, 223).
- Authentic and consistent with standard reference spectra.
Major Component (~92%): Androsta-1,4-dien-3-one, 17-[(1-oxo-10-undecenyl)oxy]
- This is a synthetic ester of a 1,4-diene steroid backbone.
- Chemically related to boldenone esters, but NOT boldenone undecylenate (Equipoise).
- No match foundfor this exact name in the CAS registry, indicating it’s:
- A non-standard, potentially designer analogue
- May be a synthesis intermediate or custom ester of boldenone or a similar scaffold
Was Boldenone (CAS: 846-48-0) Detected?
| Compound | Detected in GC-MS? | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Boldenone base (CAS: 846-48-0) | Not detected | No mass spectral or RT match |
| Boldenone undecylenate (CAS: 13103-34-9) | Not detected | Would appear at ~21–23 min, not seen |
| Androsta-1,4-dien analogues | Detected (Peak 8) | Structurally related but not pharmacologically identical to boldenone |
2. Potential Issues / Errors in the GC-MS or Sample
Main Concerns:
| Issue | Description |
|---|---|
| Unclear compound identity (Peak 8) | No direct CAS match; unclear if this is a legitimate, registered pharmaceutical |
| Missing internal standard validation | “IS Amount = 1” but no internal standard peak shown |
| Testosterone cypionate present only at 0.44% | Could indicate a mislabeled product or formulation error |
| Peak overlap between 18.75–19.05 min | Indicates a possible co-elution or poor compound resolution |
Signal Quality:
- Base peak intensities and signal-to-noise ratios are good.
- Noisy baseline between 5–6 minutes indicates potential volatile impurities.
- No boldenone ester-specific m/z patterns (e.g., 91, 124, 147 + undecylenate mass shifts) were found.
Summary for All Understanding Levels
Expert Summary:
- Primary compound is a custom 1,4-androstadien derivative, not officially cataloged.
- Likely structurally related to boldenone, but not identical.
- Testosterone cypionate present in trace amounts (0.44%), inconsistent with label.
- No CAS match for Peak 8 = likely unregistered or "grey market" compound.
Intermediate Understanding:
- The sample mostly contains a synthetic steroid that is not standard testosterone or boldenone.
- It's probably a custom or underground-made hormone.
- There is a small amount of real testosterone cypionate, but it’s not the main ingredient.
Basic Understanding:
- The main chemical is not what it claims to be.
- It's not boldenone, but might be a copycat or lookalike steroid.
- It has a small bit of testosterone in it, but not enough to work like real testosterone.
Final Call:
- This product is not pharmaceutical grade.
- It does not contain real boldenone or pure testosterone as claimed.
- The main ingredient is a designer steroid, likely made to mimic effects of boldenone/testosterone without being traceable.
I think we need someone like @janoshik to look at this.
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now chatgpt tells me this, lol:
The compound Androsta-1,4-dien-3-one, 17-[(1-oxo-10-undecenyl)oxy]-, (17β)- is a chemical name for Boldenone Undecylenate, a synthetic anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) commonly used in veterinary medicine.chemspider.com+3Wikipedia+3chemsrc.com+3
- CAS Number: 13103-34-9
- Molecular Formula: C₃₀H₄₄O₃
- Molecular Weight: 452.67 g/mol
i dont think we can trust these AIs.
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Correct. Good call.
It's bold u with main impurity being unbound ester. (#1 and #2)
#2 being much smaller than #1 means nothing, btw, as peak % area is not only function of content, but also volatility (and others) and #1 (which is most likely made in situ due to methanol used in the analysis) is much more volatile than #2. And given the above, #1 and #2 are both most likely the same thing. (and #3 too)
Cheers
You can't calculate purity that way with GCMS
TheScholarOfBrew
Banned
That methanol is dangerous and should be removed. Why the fuck did they leave that in? Sounds like someone didn't vaccume dry before sending it off.... Sigh.
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