PWO Recipes - Noob question

[Iron Vett]

I heard 130°F on my phone too lazy to convert to C° is ideal for tren a/e

In my researching for brewing tren a or e, I've seen not to go over 220F. I never get anywhere close to that.

But I'm looking for brewer's experiences with tren base (no ester). Totally different animal. I think the tren base can actually take a good bit of heat but I can't find where I read about it.

 

[picholas]

Ahhh this is what I found for TrNE

Data of Trenbolone Base Powder
Alias: Beta-Trenbolone
Trenbolone No Ester M.F.: C18H22O2
Trenbolone No Ester M.W.: 270.37
Trenbolone No Ester Melting point: 153.0~155.0°C

 

[balco]

@Iron Vett



From my understanding Tren is the only compound where heat can mess things up



That's what they're saying in regards to the heat

Wow, thank you for that. What a great read.

 

[picholas]

No problem, I'm so new to this, but after the RnR fiasco I've decided to go this route.

Should be able to brew everything next week, will post up some gear porn if I get it right.

 

[Sk8man101]

I don’t think i’d mix your orals with your no esters.

The half lives are too different, you’d never be able to time it all right.


Edit: totally pulling these numbers out of my ass here,
I think the no esters are somewhere between a 2.5-4 hour half life.
And the dbol/abombs are like a 10-12 hr half life.

Also, you wouldn’t want to use your orals as a preworkout for your entire cycle, just for liver reasons.
I’d possibly brew your orals in one batch and your TNE/TrNe in another.

 

[picholas]

I don’t think i’d mix your orals with your no esters.

The half lives are too different, you’d never be able to time it all right.


Edit: totally pulling these numbers out of my ass here,
I think the no esters are somewhere between a 2.5-4 hour half life.
And the dbol/abombs are like a 10-12 hr half life.

Also, you wouldn’t want to use your orals as a preworkout for your entire cycle, just for liver reasons.
I’d possibly brew your orals in one batch and your TNE/TrNe in another.

The half life doesn't really matter here, all no esters kick in roughly the same time. 60-120 minutes...that's just how long the compounds are active in your body.

Also when you take orals as an injection even thought it's still 17α-methyl it's only being passed through the liver once, so less toxic. But no you wouldn't run it the whole cycle...never said that.

 

[Sk8man101]

The half life doesn't really matter here, all no esters kick in roughly the same time. 60-120 minutes...that's just how long the compounds are active in your body.

Also when you take orals as an injection even thought it's still 17α-methyl it's only being passed through the liver once, so less toxic. But no you wouldn't run it the whole cycle...never said that.

Anadrol half-life is 9 hours.

I believe the liver thing on the orals has been debated ALOT on meso. I think the conclusion has always been that no one can prove that methyl steriods are any less toxic when they are injected as opposed to ingested.

 

[picholas]

Anadrol half-life is 9 hours.

I believe the liver thing on the orals has been debated ALOT on meso. I think the conclusion has always been that no one can prove that methyl steriods are any less toxic when they are injected as opposed to ingested.

Half life is just how long it takes until the amount active present in your system is halved. Again and again until ~0.

Has nothing to do with when it "kicks in" don't have to time it any differently.

When any 17aa is injected the differences are: only passes through the liver once, which makes it SLIGHTLY less toxic, and increases the potency of the drug, making it stronger mg for mg.

 

[balco]

No problem, I'm so new to this, but after the RnR fiasco I've decided to go this route.

Should be able to brew everything next week, will post up some gear porn if I get it right.

You also lost money through rowdy? If money wasn't an issue I think it's better to just order international pharma AAS and AI, then you know for a fact everything was done right. Like I've said before unless you are getting each batch of raws tested, you'll never know if your product is correct or contaminated with other product. I think it would be worth it to pool money together to test your raws/ai then brew in bulk 2+ years at a time. Maybe I am being paranoid but I don't think so.

Keep me updated on your progress, I'm really curious to see how it goes. Good luck!

 

[picholas]

You also lost money through rowdy? If money wasn't an issue I think it's better to just order international pharma AAS and AI, then you know for a fact everything was done right. Like I've said before unless you are getting each batch of raws tested, you'll never know if your product is correct or contaminated with other product. I think it would be worth it to pool money together to test your raws/ai then brew in bulk 2+ years at a time. Maybe I am being paranoid but I don't think so.

Keep me updated on your progress, I'm really curious to see how it goes. Good luck!

A little under $100 ordered dbol and 2x frog juice when he had the "sale"

Most "pharma" brands are actually UGLs too. If I'm making my own gear I at least know the dose and process is legit. PPL supplies raws for most labs anyway. They test a sample from their main batch before selling it because with bad raws and all the labs they supplied it would backfire real fast.

AIs and PCT I only use pharma grade.

 

[picholas]

I'll post pictures up later this week, hopefully brewing tomorrow or Wednesday depending on how much yard work I get done tomorrow

 

[balco]

I'll post pictures up later this week, hopefully brewing tomorrow or Wednesday depending on how much yard work I get done tomorrow

Looking forward to it! Fuck the yard work.

 

[balco]

A little under $100 ordered dbol and 2x frog juice when he had the "sale"

Most "pharma" brands are actually UGLs too. If I'm making my own gear I at least know the dose and process is legit. PPL supplies raws for most labs anyway. They test a sample from their main batch before selling it because with bad raws and all the labs they supplied it would backfire real fast.

AIs and PCT I only use pharma grade.

Well yeah sometimes unless you get actual pharma quality gear from Iran or Europe. Why would you trust the raw AAS and not the raw AI? I've heard of counterfeit AI too, I see a lot of " I ran pharma AI and it didn't work" idk if I believe most of it tho.

 

[picholas]

Well yeah sometimes unless you get actual pharma quality gear from Iran or Europe. Why would you trust the raw AAS and not the raw AI? I've heard of counterfeit AI too, I see a lot of " I ran pharma AI and it didn't work" idk if I believe most of it tho.

Could be inexperienced people not doing bloods or starting PCT at the wrong time.

No need you can order pharmaceutical AIs and PCT online legally. Different schedule class of drugs. There's like 3 websites I know of that do it. Plus, don't have to dose the raws and cut them with filler and cap them, and I didn't invest in a pill press lol.

But yeah we'll see. If it goes well those and maybe gh someday will be all I have to buy that I don't make.

For the oral AAS I'm just going to make injectable versions.

 

[Infidel141]

Didnt want to start a new thread hopefully someone will chime in. Right now I'm brewing some Trne, here is my recipe.
100mg/ml
3g of raw
27ml dosed 10%over
2ba
40bb
5gua
Carrier split between gso/eo

As of right now I can hardly get the raw to dissolve wtf can I do??

 

[picholas]

Looking forward to it! Fuck the yard work.

Wore gloves and mask whole time.

Basic stuff, BB, BA, wipes for sterilization, syringes for drawing out.


Measured out 25 grams, 2ml BA and 18ml BB. Under the advice of those who posted and other's I talked to, no heat just let it sit and the solvent did the work. Stirred with glass rod occasionally.

After it looked pretty much dissolved I added my GSO

Back filled a larger ml syringe. Math worked out 100ml

Filled up the Nalgen 250ml filter unit with the compound. Set pressure to slightly over 300.











UPDATE:
I went out to do some yard work while it was filtering and when I came back in, the bottom collection media bottle had slightly cracked from the pressure. Transferred it all out into a different vial.

Going to re-filter it tomorrow or Wednesday when the glass media bottle I ordered arrives. Then will throw the vials I have in my clave and transfer the 100ml @ 250mg/ml into 10x10ml vials.

Will provide pictures when I get to that point.

 

[Ripped]

Didnt want to start a new thread hopefully someone will chime in. Right now I'm brewing some Trne, here is my recipe.
100mg/ml
3g of raw
27ml dosed 10%over
2ba
40bb
5gua
Carrier split between gso/eo

As of right now I can hardly get the raw to dissolve wtf can I do??

If you have already added everything then low heat and stir is your best option.

 

[Infidel141]

If you have already added everything then low heat and stir is your best option.

That's what I was doing. There was quite a bit dissolved, I had to leave so I covered it to sit came back a few hours later and now it's separated itself again. Idk what else to do

 

[Eman]

RnR fiasco I

I didn't follow that thread... Didn't expect it to go all to well though. Hope you didn't lose $.

 

[picholas]

I didn't follow that thread... Didn't expect it to go all to well though. Hope you didn't lose $.

I had an initial order of $300 that I got. Test P/NPP/Anavar. One of the vials of Test P crashed I reheated it and it held, so the compounds are definitely present just don't know about dose and how sterile it is.

Thought everything was good and I was curious about the Frog Juice so I ordered 2x of that and some Dbol, it was like $100 during the sale he had.

Never got it.

Might just re-filter the stuff he gave me as I know people used his Test P and Anavar with results.

No info on the NPP yet.

Regardless I am just going to make it a lot harder for myself to get scammed or ripped off by buying the raws and brewing as safely as possible in the most sterile environment my fiancee will be cool with me investing in.

I was on the fence about doing this for awhile, I just look at this was the incentive I needed to go this route.